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Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:49 AM

Assault Weapons Or High-Capacity Magazines Used In 28% Of Mass Shootings Since 2009



Highlighting the importance of looking at new gun regulations, the report finds that 28% of mass shootings since 2009 involved either high-capacity magazines or assault weapons. The report also notes that 9% of these mass shootings occurred in schools (either primary, secondary, or college campuses).

Read more: http://boldprogressives.org/assault-weapons-or-high-capacity-magazines-used-in-28-of-mass-shootings-since-2009/

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Reply Assault Weapons Or High-Capacity Magazines Used In 28% Of Mass Shootings Since 2009 (Original post)
Report1212 Feb 2013 OP
onehandle Feb 2013 #1
Report1212 Feb 2013 #2
beevul Feb 2013 #20
dkf Feb 2013 #3
Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #5
dkf Feb 2013 #9
Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #11
dkf Feb 2013 #14
Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #18
dkf Feb 2013 #19
Recursion Feb 2013 #15
Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #16
derby378 Feb 2013 #12
Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #13
derby378 Feb 2013 #17
Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #8
Recursion Feb 2013 #4
Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #6
Zax2me Feb 2013 #7
Crepuscular Feb 2013 #10

Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:55 AM

1. They are made for two things: War and Mass Shootings.

No other purpose.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:35 AM

2. There is their greatest purpose

For their owners..."looking cool"

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Response to onehandle (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:30 PM

20. Which is why police are always exempted from any bans...

Because, as it says on the side of squad cars all over the nation :

"To make war and shoot masses".

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:49 AM

3. So as a solution, these bans seem rather ineffectual. It's odd that this is the emphasis.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:54 AM

5. Um, 28% is no small pickings.

I know the gun enthusiasts love to claim that semi-auto rifles only account for 3% of gun related homicides, but when you go to mass shootings, the number jumps seven fold.

So there is a clear argument that semi-auto rifles are an attractive option to people who carry out these types of mass shootings.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:06 PM

9. So in 72% of mass shootings and 93% of school shootings they will use another weapon. Great.

 

The amazing thing is that you all can't see the relative pointlessness of it.

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Response to dkf (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:11 PM

11. Percentage wise, semi-automatic rifles are 7 times more likely....

...to be used in a mass shooting event than an "ordinary" homicide.

Again, how is that not in some way signficant? How does that not say something?

But go ahead and spin it like you want.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:16 PM

14. So you have a Corolla instead of the SUV you prefer...does that mean you aren't getting to work?

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:25 PM

18. What?

I'm guessing you are trying to say that both the Corolla and the SUV are capable of achieving the same deed, but that has to be the stupidest "Cars = Guns" analogy I've heard yet.

"Driving to work" = "Shooting a large amount of people"

What?

I was going to offer a better analogy, but the one you gave was so fatally flawed to begin with.

I guess my biggest problem is that guns should not be considered vanity items by their owners. It's perfectly okay with cars, which are not items who are designed with specific intent to kill, injure or simulate killing or injuring.

That's not to say that some gun owners do consider their guns as vanity items--they most definitely do--but it's more of a "shaking my head" moment at such a thought.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:09 PM

19. I am arguing about substitution.

 

That is an entirely legitimate analysis.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:18 PM

15. Well, no

semi-automatic rifles are 7 times more likely to be used in a mass shooting event than an "ordinary" homicide.

No. Probability is funny that way.

A rifle is more likely to be used in an "ordinary" shooting than in a mass shooting.

BUT

A mass shooting is more likely to be done with a rifle than an "ordinary" is.

HOWEVER

A mass shooting is still more likely to be done with a handgun than with a rifle.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:20 PM

16. It's not insignificant in the greater sense. No homicide is.

Incidents that account for less than 1% of all firearms-related homicide are, however, statistically insignificant. It means that they aren't shown to be significant factor in the homicide rate, and thus not a primary consideration in the formulation of gun regulation policy. Not if that policy is intended to significantly reduce the rate of homicide...

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Response to dkf (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:13 PM

12. Even Biden himself said that the gun ban wouldn't prevent mass shootings

But he doesn't have the audacity to stray from the script that he himself helped write.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:16 PM

13. No law will prevent ALL shootings.

Just like no law will prevent ALL murders or no law will prevent ALL rapes.

You're falling victim to gun industry Strawmen speak once again.

But laws can help prevent the frequency and incidence of these occurances.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:21 PM

17. Just like in Mexico

I am still surprised by the number of Democrats who are looking to take the easy way out instead of sitting down and working on the root causes. Guns are inanimate objects. Hate, anger, and rage are not.

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Response to dkf (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:58 AM

8. >1% of all gun-related homicide occurs in "mass shootings."

I understand the effort to ban the intimidating-looking weapons used in these incidents...but let's face it: it constitutes treating a broken finger while the patient has multiple sucking chest wounds.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:52 AM

4. The most common is workplaces with handguns

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:56 AM

6. Percentages.

If 9% of mass shootings occurred in schools, then schools are, thankfully, underrepresented in these atrocities. There are approximately 75 million students in the US (US Census Bureau) and another 10 million educators and other school staff (ibid)...or about 25% of the total population.

The cited study fails to specify just what it considers to be an "assault weapon" or a "high capacity" magazine. Not a crippling flaw, but it would be nice to know, a way to better ascertain the validity of the numbers asserted.

One important (IMO) percentage the study cites is that less than 1% of all gun-related homicides in the US occur in "mass killings.".

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:57 AM

7. That's 28% too many.

 

Easy math.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:09 PM

10. Less than a third

Or another way to write that headline would be;

"Assault weapons or Hi-capacity magazines used in less than a third of mass shootings since 2009".

Instead of focusing energy and political capital on promoting ineffectual legislation that focuses on weapons that are used in a relatively small percentage of homicides, why not actually start to address the real underlying issues that are the cause of much of the gun related violence in this country? Poverty, drugs, unemployment, gang culture, insufficient mental health services and the list goes on. The problem is that addressing those issues is difficult and would actually require some will and fortitude. Slapping together a cosmetic weapons ban that accomplishes essentially nothing is easy and plays well to the microphones but does nothing to solve the problem.

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