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Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:51 AM

His political honor... has fallen victim to the way that Obama has gotten fatally under his skin

http://prospect.org/article/bitter-twilight-john-mccain
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That one,” John McCain famously snarled in a presidential debate four years ago, referring to his opponent who was a quarter of a century younger and who had been in the Senate three years to McCain’s 20. It’s difficult to imagine a better revelation of the McCain psyche than that moment, but if there is one, then it came yesterday at the meeting of the Senate Armed Services Committee, convened to consider the nomination of Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense. The McCain fury is something to behold, almost irresistible for how unvarnished it is in all its forms. In the instance of the 2008 debate, McCain’s dumbfounded antipathy had to do with facing an opponent he so clearly considered unworthy of him. In the instance of the hearing yesterday, McCain’s bitter blast was at somebody who once was among his closest friends, a former Vietnam warrior and fellow Republican of a similarly independent ilk, who supported McCain’s first run for the presidency in 2000 against George W. Bush but then appeared to abandon the Arizona senator eight years later.

In the time since, two things have happened McCain. One was the Iraq War, the worst American foreign policy blunder of the post-World War II era, which McCain wholeheartedly supported from the beginning and about which he’s never intimated a second thought. The other was Barack Obama, electoral politics’ upstart lieutenant whose bid to become five-star general, bypassing stops along the way at captain, major and colonel, wasn’t just temerity to a man who waited his turn to be released from prison, but insubordination. Those two things converged yesterday in McCain’s prosecution of Hagel, no less sorry a spectacle on McCain’s part for the fact that Hagel handled it so unimpressively. Perhaps Hagel was startled, figuring his one-time compatriot would be tough but not vicious. If that’s the case, then he never knew McCain as well as he thought or hoped, because if he did then he would know that McCain is a man of grudges. In his memoir Faith of My Fathers, in which words like “gallantry” appear without embarrassment (and which no one has more earned the right to use), McCain himself acknowledges being the congenital hothead of legend who’s nearly come to blows with colleges. Half a century later, he recalls every altercation with every Naval Academy classmate; as a child, rage sometimes drove him to hold his breath until he blacked out. No need to indulge in untrained psychotherapy from afar to surmise that the ability to nurse such a grudge may be what gets you through half a decade of cruel incarceration.

At any rate, what happened yesterday wasn’t about Hagel at all. It wasn’t even about the Iraq War’s 2007 “surge,” which McCain is desperate to justify because he can never justify the war itself that finds Hagel moved to the right side of history while McCain remains stubbornly on the wrong. It’s about that junior senator from Illinois who crossed McCain early in some obscure backroom Senate deal no one can remember anymore, then denied McCain the presidency in no small part because Obama understood the folly of Iraq better than McCain can allow himself to. McCain’s personal honor in Hanoi was too hard won to be stained now by almost anything he does, including how he’s allowed temperament, pique and ego to steamroll the judgment and perspective that we hope all of our elected officers have, let alone presidents. But his political honor, not to mention whatever might once have recommended him to the presidency, has fallen victim to the way that Obama has gotten fatally under his skin. Even if this once-noble statesman should succeed in denying Hagel’s nomination as he denied Susan Rice’s prospects for Secretary of State (and even the most devout Hagel supporter would have to acknowledge that the Defense nominee’s performance before the Committee was often a shambles), McCain’s unrelenting obsession with the grievance that Obama has come to represent to him is the saddest legacy in memory. The very fact of Obama and all things Obamic has turned McCain into something toxic, maybe even to himself.

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Can DUers imagine what Obama winning a second term has done to McGramps?

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Reply His political honor... has fallen victim to the way that Obama has gotten fatally under his skin (Original post)
malaise Feb 2013 OP
babylonsister Feb 2013 #1
malaise Feb 2013 #3
madokie Feb 2013 #8
abelenkpe Feb 2013 #18
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #2
malaise Feb 2013 #4
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #12
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #28
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #32
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #35
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #36
FSogol Feb 2013 #5
Greybnk48 Feb 2013 #6
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #7
Jennicut Feb 2013 #9
whathehell Feb 2013 #23
tularetom Feb 2013 #10
malaise Feb 2013 #11
Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #13
niyad Feb 2013 #14
healthnut7 Feb 2013 #15
truebluegreen Feb 2013 #16
Boomerproud Feb 2013 #38
truebluegreen Feb 2013 #39
oldandhappy Feb 2013 #17
copperearth Feb 2013 #19
Blue Palasky Feb 2013 #20
malaise Feb 2013 #31
Ian_rd Feb 2013 #21
malaise Feb 2013 #24
pansypoo53219 Feb 2013 #22
BumRushDaShow Feb 2013 #25
indepat Feb 2013 #26
JoePhilly Feb 2013 #27
malaise Feb 2013 #33
Rex Feb 2013 #29
TeamPooka Feb 2013 #30
pacalo Feb 2013 #34
spanone Feb 2013 #37
glinda Feb 2013 #40
politicasista Feb 2013 #41
Zorro Feb 2013 #42
freshwest Feb 2013 #43
malaise Feb 2013 #44

Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:54 AM

1. He is reprehensible; I wish he'd get off "OUR" lawn! nt

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:58 AM

3. That's way too kind a word

One more stupid entitled ReTHUG who can never admit he was wrong.
If I were Hagel yesterday I would have exploded.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:30 AM

8. +1

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:06 PM

18. +1000 nt

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:57 AM

2. I saw the clip on Maddow

I fault Obama for not politically destroying them. Same thing with the Civil War, those who had power in the South retained it and were allowed to construct their own false narrative about the war and its causes.

We should have politically anihillated all Republicans after Vietnam along with the vichy Dems who supported them. We didn't and now they're able to spin a tale of BS about how we won the war because the rest of the dominos didn't fall.

McCain is actually trying to spin the story that the Surge worked and we had good ideas in Iraq. Nobody is suffering the consequences of supporting an immoral and illegal war. There are no consequences.

These shameless motherfuckers should be destroyed, ruined, no longer able to show their faces in public. They should be hounded to their graves and the very dirt they rot in salted and cursed.

Instead they get to retain their seats of power and fuck things up for future generations. We're a nation of fucking cowards and what we've got coming we deserve.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:59 AM

4. Very well said

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:47 AM

12. "Politically annihiliated all Republicans after Vietnam"...

because, it wasn't Kennedy and Johnson who got us into it in the first place? Technically, if you want to get right down to it, it was Truman, telling De Gaulle "no, General, that's fine, you can have your colonies in Indochina back" at Potsdam (going back on Roosevelt's insistence on decolonisation at Yalta), and the later saying "here, we'll even send you some military advisers" during the first French-Indochina War.

David Brinkley interviewing JFK:

Mr. Brinkley: Mr. President, have you had any reason to doubt this so-called "domino theory," that if South VietNam falls, the rest of Southeast Asia will go behind it?

The President: No, I believe it. I believe it. I think that the struggle is close enough. China is so large, looms so high just beyond the frontiers, that if South Viet-Nam went, it would not only give them an improved geographic position for a guerrilla assault on Malaya but would also give the impression that the wave of the future in Southeast Asia was China and the Communists. So I believe it.

http://web.viu.ca/davies/H323Vietnam/JFK.Dom.htm


Under Kennedy the number of military advisers in South Vietnam increased to 16,000, up from 900 under Eisenhower. Ngo Dinh Diem was assassinated by a CIA-backed coup...again under a Democratic administration. It's not like politicians of either party had clean hands.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:40 PM

28. Reading if fundamental

Did you miss the part about "vichy Dems?" Yes, yes you did!

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:55 PM

32. Except that's nonsense`

you might try reading yourself, the history of the whole Vietnam era would be a good place to start (and Kennedy and Johnson, "Vichy"? LOL.)

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:35 PM

35. Yup

They supported a republican war. Vichy.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:57 PM

36. Twisted and ignorant understanding of history you have

what part of "Truman sent the first advisers to Vietnam" do you have a hard time processing, exactly? And I'm not sure how you can call it a "Republican war" when it was JFK and then LBJ who were responsible for first troop increases and then a full-on strategy of US involvement in combat and not just in an advisory role.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:04 AM

5. Imagine? We say it yesterday.

McCain is the all-time miserable sore loser.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:06 AM

6. I don't think this viciousness is new behavior for McCain

but rather the norm. Age may have exaggerated it a bit, because that happens, but wasn't his nickname in high school "McNasty."

wonkette.com/375248/meet-president-mcnasty

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:24 AM

7. I don't buy that Hagel didn't do well. I watched most of it. He kept

to his talking points, and avoided the multitude of traps and bait laid out for him. It wasn't a job interview, it wasn't like Kerry's hearing at all. It was a political spectacle. Anytime he started to elaborate or defend himself, he was cut off. He was demanded yes-or-no answers to sentences taken out of context, without further explanation, like he was answering lawyers in court instead of Senators. I'm not sure who would come off looking strong after eight (largely unnecessary) hours of mostly ambush--but that was the GOP's plan.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:31 AM

9. McCain has never been "honorable". He has always been nasty, mean with a bad temper.

Ask any of his former friends.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:45 PM

23. Ask both of his wives -- the first, who he dumped after an accident left her looking less

like the fashion model he married, and the second, whom he reportedly called a "cunt"

in the presence of others, while on a campaign bus.

It's a good thing he wasn't married to me, because if I didn't murder the mofo

for that, I would have at LEAST called a press conference to reveal how the "hero"

speaks to his wife and mother of his children in public.


I do understand that she no longer lives with the effing bully.




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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:39 AM

10. That article was far kinder to McCain than I would be

McCain's "personal honor in Hanoi" is at best questionable.

And any reference to McCain as a "once-noble statesman" is enough to make you .

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Response to tularetom (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:46 AM

11. Agreed

I have long wondered about his honor

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:57 AM

13. Good article, except for the part about McCain "once being noble."

McCain has always been a petty, jealous, rage-a-holic, and a staunch Republican asshole.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:58 AM

14. his record as a war hero is not exactly unsullied, is it? how many planes did he crash?

and wasn't he flying an unauthorized mission when he crashed and was captured? as I recall, some of his fellow pow's had some very unflattering things to say about his conduct.

the man needs to retire, should have done so long ago. he is past being an embarrassment, he is beyond despicable.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:07 AM

15. My thoughts

I wonder if McCain's family is ever embarassed as to how he reacts. Kind of makes you wonder what happens at home
when his wife ticks him off??
I think the anger towards Hagel DOES have to do with Pres. Obama. First being that he can't let go that the young black
whippersnapper beat him and took away his right to be the President...
Now Chuck Hagel, his once closest friend, is going to work with that guy and maybe just maybe he thinks he should have been picked
to be in that job. God Forbid!!! Plus of course that Hagel turned against R's policies about wars.
As far as Kerry being smooged like he was by the R's I think has more to do with their ulterior motives. Getting rid of one more Dem in
the senate and hopefully getting Scott Brown back in to beef up their numbers. They were just too friendly to Kerry, IMO, makes me wonder why.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:08 AM

16. "once-noble statesman"?

"gallantry" which "no one has more earned the right to use"?

Who wrote this drivel? McCain has been an under-achieving, unethical, entitled brat since his Academy days. Without his family ties and his second wife's money he would be nobody. The fact that this was finally made clear to the world is what sent him around his last bend.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:14 PM

38. Except for the major point that this was about Obama and not Hagel

that article was puke-inducing. I think McCain is past saving-he's like Nixon, whose hatred of JFK was his fatal flaw.

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:06 PM

39. +1000 n/t

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:41 AM

17. He needs to go home but I wonder if he is welcome.

We need to swamp his office with emails requesting ethical behavior. He needs some look in the mirror treatment.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:14 PM

19. Call him McGrumps

This man acts insane. And he now has a sidekick in Lindsey Graham. McCain and Me Too Graham ask the wildest questions and go over the same ground and never change message. You can't please them no matter the person or issue involved. They are an embarrassment to the Senate and the country and they are holding us all back.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:22 PM

20. "Can DUers imagine what Obama winning a second term has done to McGramps?"

 

hopefully the worst. not even going to act nice towards these "people" anymore

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Response to Blue Palasky (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:17 PM

31. Just made him a lil more McNasty than usual

He's an entitled ReTHUG scumbag who throws tantrums when he doesn't get his own way (which is a lot of the time).

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:36 PM

21. Best line ...

FTA: "At any rate, what happened yesterday wasn't about Hagel at all. It wasn't even about the Iraq War’s 2007 "surge," which McCain is desperate to justify because he can never justify the war itself that finds Hagel moved to the right side of history while McCain remains stubbornly on the wrong."

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Response to Ian_rd (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:25 PM

24. That's a very good line

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:38 PM

22. all hagel had to say was,

sarah palin.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:27 PM

25. That about sums it up

Mclame has become a caricature of himself. A foaming-at-the-mouth obsessive rightwing loon. He fancies himself a modern day Ahab. Well we know what happened to Ahab.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:41 PM

26. Surely Senator McCain's paternal grandfather and father, both heroic 4-star admirals, turn over in

their graves as their progeny continues to sully that proud name.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:48 PM

27. Summary: Obama stole McCain's PRECIOUS!!!!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:00 PM

33. Scary - bwaaaaaaaaaaaaah

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:44 PM

29. McCain is a pathetic politician, I pity the fool.

He is an example of what not to be when you grow up. A bitter old man that blames everyone for a lifetime of failures, well everyone but himself.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:54 PM

30. I love seeing McCain piss and crapo all over his "legacy" nt

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:43 PM

34. How pathetic it was for that teeth gnasher to derail Hagel's major job interview to revisit

his own bad decision to invade Iraq. No doubt that Obama, & particularly his choice of Hagel to run the Defense Dept., was too much for McCain's ego. He's got no class.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:02 PM

37. mccain was a complete asshole...as were most of the reThugs

lindsey graham can kiss my ass too.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:38 AM

40. McCain is unhinged or an evil liar. Either one is bad.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:42 AM

41. Senator McGrandstander n/t

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:45 AM

42. Boo hoo hoo

McCain has always been an asshole, even when he was cultivating his "maverick" image.

Divorcing his first wife -- who steadfastly waited for his release from his prison cell -- was clear evidence of his prima donna assholishness.

He needs to FOAD. A grateful country will welcome it.

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Response to Zorro (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:39 AM

43. +1

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Response to Zorro (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:56 AM

44. True

An arrogant, opportunistic, below-average, entitled ReTHUG scumbag.

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