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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:53 PM

Lights out France to force shops and offices to go dark overnight

I've posted about this before. The French must have been listening!

Given the pictures of Beijing in another thread, and posts about So. Cal. in that same thread, I think this is an idea whose time has come. Why does a business need to be brightly lit after hours? How much energy could be saved by turning lights off the way our parents used to tell us to do when we left a room? I live in a small mountain resort town where the sidewalks are rolled up at about 7 during the off season periods. You couldn't tell it though by driving down "The Boulevard". It's lit up like Vegas, inside and out. I drive down the street and wonder: why?

My thoughts are thus... How about we subsidize the purchase of motion sensors for the inside areas and require businesses that are closed during nighttime hours to turn off their signage? Imagine how beneficial that would be for the environment seeing as how doing it in France can save 250,000 tons of CO2/year and enough energy to light 750,000 households for a whole year? We have almost five times the population of France. Do the math.

This is truly a SIMPLE SIMPLE thing that can be done "locally" and have a major impact.

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Reply Lights out France to force shops and offices to go dark overnight (Original post)
cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 OP
MadHound Jan 2013 #1
cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #4
MadHound Jan 2013 #9
Warpy Jan 2013 #2
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #3
Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #6
cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #7
Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #5
cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #8
bettyellen Jan 2013 #10
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #11
PointZeroZeroOne Feb 2013 #12

Response to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:57 PM

1. Better yet, why not offer incentives for the purchase of solar panels to power those businesses,

 

And they decide whether or not to leave their lights on, guilt and pollution free.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:01 PM

4. I thought there were already incentives for solarizing.

In some parts of the Pacific Northwest, solar power isn't 100% feasible anyway, I'd think.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:06 PM

9. Solar is quite feasible,

 

Especially if you made it nationwide, and combined it with other renewables. It has been known for a while now that we can switch to green renewables, completely, fully, to energize this entire country. But the fossil fuel barons aren't going to allow that to happen, since it threatens their money making machine.

The incentives are weak, and as you pointed out, rather spotty. Now with the supposedly cheap gusher of natural gas and oil coming from fracking, the push for renewables once again fades into the background.

Thus we're going to continue down this path of fossil fuel insanity, until it destroys us all.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:58 PM

2. Most places turn out most of their lighting but leave just enough

so that smash & grab thieves can be spotted by passing patrol cars. I wonder if that might be different in France, if they leave the lights blazing all night as some sort of advertisement.

As for offices, most of the ones I've worked in have been dark unless the cleaning staff were working in them overnight. Maybe that's different, too, thinking all those lights on in all the buildings are pretty. Well, they are, but unless there is a reason for them to be on, they're killing our planet.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:59 PM

3. But it might invite vandalism

from the people the businesses screwed during the day.
(Apparent paranoia is often justified.)

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:01 PM

6. Or it might invite vandalism

from people who can't resist breaking windows and stealing stuff when it's dark and no one's around.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:05 PM

7. Picture this: I'm a small town cop after the nighttime lighting prohibition...

While I'm driving my beat after dark, any light INSIDE a business is a reason to investigate because of the motion sensors.

On the other hand, if every business has lights on inside after dark, I drive past dozens of places every night being vandalized by the patrons they screwed during the day.

Win. Win.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:01 PM

5. But if anyone is in the office working late, the lights would have to stay on.

It's pretty scary walking through a dark office late at night to get to the parking lot.

The corollary to this, of course, is that potential criminals will know precisely which offices are unoccupied, because they will be dark.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:05 PM

8. Motion sensors. n/t

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:23 PM

10. we have motion sensors that turn the lights off automatically if no ones moved, sometimes when

I am pondering something too long, they go out! I just have to wave a hand and boom, they go back on.
Green building. We did get some sort of incentives to do it.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:36 AM

11. It's an hour after the last employee has left, and not until 1am for shops

Under the new law, which comes into effect on 1 July, lights in shop window displays will be turned off at 1am. Interior lights in offices and other non-residential buildings will have to be switched off an hour after the last employee leaves. Local councils will be able to make exceptions for Christmas and other special occasions, and in certain tourist or cultural areas.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/30/lights-out-france-shops-offices


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