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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:39 PM

"Obama Has Completely Changed How The US Fights Wars"

Obama Has Completely Changed How The US Fights Wars

by Marc Ambinder at Business Insider

http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-foreign-policy-and-silent-wars-2013-1

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There is finally some substance to his vague notion of using U.S. hard and soft power to encourage other countries to accept responsibility for problems better handled by them. It is an orthogonal approach to interventionism.

In Libya, Syria and Mali, the U.S. has provided technical intelligence assets and helped with the supply chain: arms and fuel and transportation. We have not, as a country, "stayed out."

That phrase no longer means what it used to. It is possible now to intervene in a conflict without putting U.S. soldiers in danger and without expanding the United States geopolitical footprint in a way that crowds out local values.

Where Obama wants the United States to lead is against transnational problems like drugs, trafficking, proliferation of weapons and WMD and crime syndicates, as well as in anti-terrorism and counter-terrorism. It is not possible to fight these wars without U.S. troops.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:52 PM

1. "problems like drugs"???? the "problem" is not the drugs, it is the war on drugs.

the war on drugs is far more damaging than the actual results of drug use IMO

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:54 PM

2. Ah yes, the kinder, gentler wars.

 

Fewer US troops killed, so Americans don't wake up from their American Idol induced coma. Meanwhile, innocents die abroad, and sooner or later the blowback will come back home to the States.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:58 PM

3. You mean without authorization or accountability? nt

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:05 PM

4. Nice to be able to intervene without seeing flag-draped coffins come back.

 

We have a spectacular leader.

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:10 PM

5. Yes, never mind the thousands and thousands of innocents that we kill,

 

Blood that is on all of our hands, yours and mine, as this administration continues to violate the laws of international sovereignty, killing with impunity.

Why do you think we've switched to this drone based war? To get the reaction you just gave. Our soldiers aren't dying, so what the fuck, let's go kill some more. Disgusting

Of course, you do realize that every innocent we kill, every child that dies at our hands, simply radicalizes more and more people, making enemies who will, sooner or later, bring the war we launched back home here to rest. Think 911, possibly on a much grander scale.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:13 PM

6. But who else is gonna kill teh "bad guys"1111111 nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:16 PM

9. Only a good guy with a gun can kill a bad guy with a gun...unless it's US foreign policy



The shit is piled to the ceiling with some folks.

I laugh to keep from crying.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:15 PM

7. On another note, gun nuts wailing about innocents killed...

Oy vey. Credibility = 0.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:16 PM

8. It all comes full circle....

 

Terrorists are like a disease that is spreading through the middle east and Africa and making its way to South America, sooner or later they will be here in full force.

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Response to raidert05 (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:27 PM

10. They're already here. What do you call these mass shootings and a DA shot down by white supremacists

 

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:41 PM

11. I call it...

 

People in America finally waking up to the reality of what is happening in our society and has been happening for a very long time. Things like that have been happening for a long time here in America and maybe..finally...hopefully...We have a generation of people who are tired of it and are willing to make changes to society to leave it in better shape for our children, grand children, great grand kids etc...etc...

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:52 PM

12. Pretending "Imagine all the people ..." & that we can just "take our ball and go home" now that it

suits us, in places that have been poisoned by ALL that has preceded this point in geopolitical time, a point that we helped create, could be just as ir-responsible as practically everything else we have done . . . or not, so I am in favor of more situational discernment in these matters.

Just saying "We can't" and "The U.N. is corrupted by bankers", after all that we have done to others for decades, doesn't seem right to me, because it's too much like setting everyone's house on fire and then going home, because we're tired, so . . . .

Crazed political bigotry against 3rd, or dialectical, anythings, derived and determined by rational situational information about actual people and their actual experiences, could also be seen as a product of all that has poisoned this geopolitical moment. That bigotry does not mean that rationally authentic processes that encompass all perspectives and thus can result in either "this X " or "that Y " or "both this + that XY " or neither, "Z", are impossible. Just because this has not happened, that does not mean that it necessarily cannot happen. It more likely means that WE did not want it to happen, so it didn't and that has a lot to do with the poison of our ways in the world.

Just because this more dialectical kind of effort has not been made, that does not mean that there can be no honest awareness of the potential for deceit in such dialectical efforts too and that would be a potential for deceit no less comparable to continuing the status quo, nor less than the deceit of just walking away from all of it and washing our hands of engagement because that would be easier and that nothing that happens elsewhere after that point matters.

My concerns have to do with handing this precedent to those who have shown, like George Bush/NeoCon Republicans, and others, that they can and will abuse it. That's why we need somekind of check on what is afoot here. To me that means either a reformed U.N. and/or a reformed and more powerful World Court. Neither of which Republicans will allow, once this precedent is set by the next 4 years of President Obama's administration.

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