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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:35 PM

A guy just shot himself in the bathroom of the cyber cafe I am posting from (Open carry activist)

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I rent a desk at Indra's in Eugene, Oregon where I have one of my desktops set up. The open carry guy who comes in here walked by me and went into the restroom behind me.

A minute later we heard a loud gunshot and a scream from the loo. We yelled in asking him if he was OK and he answered, "Get an ambulance."

He had shot himself through the leg putting his old west style replica revolver. The desk worker put a tourniquet on his leg and he asked for us to hide his gun so the police would not take it.

The employee told him no way, that then the police would wonder if we shot him, create suspicion, and that that would be tampering with evidence.

He was taken off to the hospital with a serious leg injury. The bullet fortunately ricocheted and went through the roof.

He is an open carry advocate, and I will post the story in thread when it is posted on the Register Guard (local paper) website.

http://www.registerguard.com/web/updates/29381719-55/eugene-police-bathroom-leg-business.html.csp

What a loser and idiot. This happened at around 3:00 PM PST.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:38 PM

1. I normally hide all the gun threads, but this is just too funny!

 


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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:09 PM

34. I try not to laugh at other people's suffering but

sometimes I just can't help it

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:43 PM

130. When it's self-inflicted

I have no problems laughing at other people's misfortunes. I don't even mind laughing at myself when I do something stupid and pay for it.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:19 AM

193. Schadenfreude

 


A bit of which is good for the soul.
(recall that no one had anything other than bumps and bruises after this supercar pile up in Japan)


One must also note, that after this carelessly self-inflicted injury, this Responsible Gun Owner (tm) then allegedly asked for people in this office to HIDE his gun! A gun which, had it not been pointed at himself when he discharged it - could easily have killed anyone in the room. What a moran.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:05 AM

203. Need more guns

If his leg had had a gun it could have fought back.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #203)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:53 PM

271. !

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:54 PM

270. first someone shoots one of his nuts off

now this guy shoots it down his leg. What a really bad place to be carrying a gun. might as well just push that video my brother sent about how unichs (sp) personally make sure they are neutered. ouch? well thats not quite so bloody though. and he thought that would gross me out. Clearly he hasn't seen many videos on youtube. I like the one where it was once impossible to fix a woman who's had her tubes either cut or burned. They fix that now. course this is done inside the body.

Course I'd prefer long guns although you can still have your dog shoot you in the ass.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:38 PM

2. Somehow, when they shoot themselves, I don't really care.

Hope it hurts. A lot.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:41 PM

4. As a gun proponent

 

I agree. I have no sympathy for idiots and losers that can't control their firearm or themselves.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:08 PM

80. Feel the same way when idiots crash their cars

Gets a chuckle out of me every time I see someone spin out and smash up on the news, especially when it is snowing outside.

Dumb asses. Stay at home.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #80)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:58 PM

110. yeh, those open drive advocates are real assholes

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #80)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:06 PM

116. Because comparing Constitutional rights and State-revocable privileges makes SO MUCH SENSE

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Response to Occulus (Reply #116)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:19 AM

147. Because that wasn't the point of that post at all.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #147)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:50 AM

156. because there was no point..

because it's such a stupid ass analogy!

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Response to frylock (Reply #156)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:43 PM

234. And par for his course...nt

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #80)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:00 AM

142. And people who drive like assholes get charged

and get their cars taken away. Just like what should happen to this asshole.

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Response to laundry_queen (Reply #142)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:02 AM

162. Not nearly as many as should be

Courts let people off very easy unless there was alcohol involved. Ask any long term motorcyclist.

I install dual 110db horns on all of my motorcycles. It leads to dropped cellphones and coffee cups, but aids in my survival.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #162)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:18 AM

180. Watch it if you come to Florida...

some idiot on a motorcycle with a big horn blew it in front of my campus right in front of me...a car driven by a nice senior citizen thought some truck was coming or something and slammed on brakes. The biker ended up over the sidewalk and barely missed getting killed. Then he got a ticket for violating the local sound ordinance! Anyone with an attitude shouldn't be on a bike, motorcycle, or have a gun. To me, you're describing a poor disposition.

Just saying...

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Response to Sancho (Reply #180)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:53 AM

213. I've been there many times

Stock motorcycle horns are functionally useless. They are buried in the fairing and cannot be heard by the average distracted cager in a minivan or SUV. Louder horns do their job, get heard, and raise attention. M/C have this invisibility problem...people get startled when we appear out of nowhere.

There are those who put air horns on M/Cs. Now that is scary.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #180)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:17 PM

240. LOL nt

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #162)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:54 AM

198. I ride with people like you only once.

 

Those damned things scare anything with ears out of their pants.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #198)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:01 AM

215. Not so much in the fairing

If you ride, you understand the invisibility problem. M/Cs just appear out of nowhere and cut cagers off.

I have enough reflectors and other things on my bikes to light up a semi. I also have the flashing headlight mods. On some bikes there are aux lights. Yet the cagers cannot see me (or any of us). Horns are last minute defensive devices. Buried in the fairing, they are not as loud as they would be in the open air. However they get the driver with their attention. One time in traffic I had the same mini van drift into my lane several times. Lacking a safe escape route and it being MD where lane splitting is not allowed, I knocked on her window at the next light...

The bikes with air horns scare people. They start looking for trucks and don't see them.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #215)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:28 AM

220. Ride like everyone else on the road is out to kill you.

 

Don't care how much bling you have on your bike, when it's time it's time.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #220)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:34 AM

223. Always have and some have been more successful than others

However, when it gets close, I use non-stock horns

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #80)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:05 AM

202. If one can't go into a rest room without shooting

themself, they are a danger to themselves and others. The dude should not have gun, end of story.

He is a fucking asshole, maybe this will teach him a lesson, but I doubt it.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #80)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:07 PM

278. Wow that really helps us see the holes in the analogy

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:30 PM

229. I think it did hurt plenty. He looked shocky when he left on the gurney with

a fine bead of sweat on his face in the forty degree weather.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:41 PM

3. I'm sorry. I can't resist...

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:12 PM

120. Oh,so that is why Jim Rob the Freeper Magnate needs a Socialist WheelChair

 

My Eyes,revealed!

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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:45 PM

140. I'm stunned that your response was alerted. Here are the jury results:

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You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:40 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I would think that almost all on the Left understand the irony of the fact that the fearless leader of the Freepers relies on the government to provide not only his wheelchair but federally sponsored healthcare due to his disability. One would also think that Jim Rob, regardless of political affiliation, would be a lot more compassionate about the hundreds of thousands of other Americans that are differently abled, instead of ranting about taking away their earned benefits that he has the privilege to access unabated. But then again, I'm a liberal and support full-access to any government sponsored benefit that he chooses to acquire.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to JackBeck (Reply #140)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:43 AM

195. Beware the puritan police!

I am amazed at the BS I have served on...

My post was alerted for a video of a one tenth of a second nipple flash by Judd flashing her breast.

Somehow it equated to PORN and her being topless, all of which it was not. The jury comments or lack thereof IMO make these people unqualified to serve...

About as bad as John Ashcroft covering Lady Liberty and the feigned outrage over Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction...

Pathetic. Most couldn't even give reason to HIDE my post. Lame asses.

Read it and think of the children.

Think of the shenanigans she will cause...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2233177

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porn spam of ashley judd topless

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #195)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:09 AM

205. Well, if you had contrived an anti-gun statement to go with it...

You would have come thru with flying colors!

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #205)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:27 AM

209. Don't know how I can work guns into Ashley Judd running

for Senate...

I will leave that for you to figure out.

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Response to JackBeck (Reply #140)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:47 AM

224. I don't know who Juror #6 was

but that juror is awesome.

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #224)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:58 PM

272. Agreed.

 

I actually learned about DU from lurking at the Free Republic way back in the stolen election days.
There are lurkers in these forums who are regulars in the freeper forums and that is who alerted my snark to a jury.
There are also some conspiracy theorists here at DU that believe the flying freeper monkeys are here to destroy DU by creating friction,
Thankfully there is a jury system and it works pretty well.

My reply to the funny video was a swipe at Rim Job and his chorus of camp followers and certainly not a swipe at disabled people.
I can just see him standing in front of a mirror twirling a six shooter and shooting himself then posting on the Daily Freep about how he was shot by a scary person of color and then had to put the muscle on another scary person of color for a medicaid wheelchair.
All Hail the conquering hero:The Mighty Jim Robinson,that Fleur O' Chivalry!
Unlike RimJob however,since he did serve in the military,then what he receives in the form of socialist healthcare was dearly bought and paid for by his years of service to you and me and this nation and is not an entitlement,that being said.
I cannot help that he suffers from Republican-Rectal-Retro-Cranial-Insertion-Syndrome AKA:Head up his arse and to sum up unlike rimjobisin i do not consider people to be of lesser value for needing some help,life happens.

I was surprised at being outed initially but the explanation by Juror#6,warmed my cockles and simultaneously rustled my jimmies for correctly reading my intentions and so another freeper troll is now on the known list.
Kudos!

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:41 PM

5. Gee, he must feel stupid, trying impress all those normal folks .

Actually, it's because he is stupid.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:42 PM

6. Was that a " good guy with a gun shooting a bad buy with a gun" ?

/sarc off

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Response to pkdu (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:23 PM

54. LOL

+1

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Response to pkdu (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:51 PM

73. If he had another gun...

he could have protected himself from himself

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #73)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:55 PM

74. .

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #73)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:48 AM

225. DUzy!

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Response to pkdu (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:27 AM

177. It wasn't a bad guy

it was a bad leg. And maybe the roof was bad too.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:42 PM

7. Imagine the tragedy that could have happened...

...if open carry hadn't made him safer.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:47 PM

11. Especially in downtown Eugene in the middle of the afternoon.

It's a hot bed of gang warfare and general violence.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:05 PM

29. True, LOL! nt

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:04 PM

78. He's the most dangerous thing to happen in Eugene so far this year.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #78)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:34 PM

92. We had seven cops answer the call to secure the scene for the ambulance as a gun was involved.

So I would say you are correct; they are less desensitized by this thing here in Eugene, Oregon.

All the cops downtown near W8th Street got involved.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:13 PM

83. Ahh but what if it had been Springfield?

Reminds me of Tatooine...

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Response to snort (Reply #83)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:32 PM

89. If it were Springfield, as per the local rivalry between the cities...

... I would be obligated to assume meth and stolen guns were involved were I to read about this happening there.

As the old joke goes; "Why do they have garg=age sales in Springfield?

Answer: So people in Eugene can buy their stuff back."

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:45 AM

182. This might be a case where Open Carry makes the rest of us safer

But I still think it's too draconian a policy.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:08 PM

279. thank goodness no one else got hurt nt

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:43 PM

8. Hammer down on a live round?

From a tech perspective this makes no sense unless he did something very stupid with the pistol.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:54 PM

20. He belongs to a group (small one I think) called the 'Oregon Militia."

He was thrown out of the U.S. Army a year ago as 'unable to adapt.'

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Response to Nika (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:19 PM

253. he needs to get a ticket for firing a weapon in public!

or is it legal to shoot a gun in a public cafe as it is to carry one there?

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Response to orleans (Reply #253)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:02 PM

277. I fully agree with you and it is indeed illegal to fire a gun in the incorperated portion of Eugene.

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Response to Nika (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:36 PM

265. That says a lot, actually... nt

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:06 PM

30. Probably, that's what I thought.

For those who do not know, revolvers patterned on 19th c. models have to be carried with only 5 of the 6 shots loaded. Otherwise, the firing pin rests on a live primer. Any serious bump can then set it off.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:34 PM

91. Maybe he went to rub one out with his precious. (n/m)

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:00 PM

112. he did do something very stupid with the pistol. it's called open carry.

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Response to frylock (Reply #112)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:31 PM

123. Open carry is not inherently unsafe or stupid

If so, there would be a lot more cops out on disability

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #123)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:23 PM

138. It is inherently stupid and unsafe for a civilian. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #138)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:34 PM

139. That would depend on the civilian.

I personally believe that out of uniform, concealed carry is the way to go in public since open carry upsets so many people.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #139)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:48 AM

154. Out of uniform, open carry is unsafe, period.

Most yahoos who want to open carry do not have sufficient training for that sort of thing, but even if they did, it only makes them a mark for criminals who want to take their gun. And yes, it upsets many thinking people, for very good reasons. Any civilian obnoxious and crazy enough to want to open carry in an urban setting around people lacks good judgment and really shouldn't have a gun at all. They pose a danger to themselves and the public, as this story demonstrates.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #154)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:54 AM

159. You have not established that it is always unsafe, we have agreed it upsets some

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #154)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:00 AM

167. I tend to agree, and WISH there were

some kind of Federal Permiting/Regulation Matrix for firearms based on population density by say, County. Live where there are more bears than neighbors? YOU can have an AR-15. Live in a place where x% of the people in your BUILDING are statistically on anti-psychotics? YOU can have a Kitchen Knife...MAYBE.

Scale that fucker so that increases in population density (over time and based on census data) mean AUTOMATIC increases in firearm regulations, and I think that might go a long way toward keeping both sides of the debate happy.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #167)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:32 AM

187. Some good thoughts.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #123)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:49 AM

155. cops open carry because it's a part of their job..

dickweeds like the hero in our story open carry to get attention. guess what? he got the attention he so richly craves.

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Response to frylock (Reply #155)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:58 AM

160. Which has nothing to do with its safety

From a pure gun safety perspective, open carry is less dangerous.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #160)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:32 AM

169. Link(s)? Facts? nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #169)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:37 AM

170. Its basic doctrine, civilian/LEO/Military

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #170)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:38 AM

171. I see, you were making it up. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #171)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:56 AM

173. Far from it...your statement is much like the creationists going after evolution...its that basic

I'll try a common sense approach...though I may be able to find training documents or book excerpts on a gun website.

An externally carried sidearm is in holster with some sort of safety device (strap etc). The trigger is protected, it is secure against falling out. Normally the holster is designated for the sidearm in question. If the firearm were to somehow discharge the majority of the time it would be parallel to the leg of the wearer, and do minimal damage.

Concealed holsters often rely on friction to maintain control of the weapon and may not retain the sidearm during rapid movement, or other physical activity. Depending on style of holsters, triggers are not protected nearly as well and the sidearms themselves are rarely secured. Additionally some people choose to concealed carry without a holster which has a much higher accident rate. An accidental discharge while concealed carrying is almost always injurious to the wearer. We have all heard stories of the gang banger hurting himself when he shoved his pistol in his pants...

The above is based solely on weapon safety. It does not take into account the impact on members of the public when they see someone open carrying in civilian attire in public areas. It does not account for level of training either. The Sherpa style holster is an example of an external holster that while functioning very well, has had accidental discharge issues due to lesser trained users.

Personally when I carry in public, I do it concealed with a shoulder holster with a thumb break strap. Its old school but it gives me all the protection of the external holster. It can be "read" more easily than a pancake style holster, but its a risk I accept. It is also much less likely to get lost or discharge in an accident. YMMV

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #173)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:21 AM

219. Creationists don't demand facts and links...it's that basic.

I have lost patience with gun nuttery, and suggesting that open carry is safe is pure gun nuttery. No "progressive" would belittle the valid concern that would reasonably overtake EVERY rational person when confronted with an open carry yahoo as the mere "upset" of "some." Seriously, if the ONLY reason you don't open carry is because it "upsets some people," you are horrifically ill-informed and/or delusional.

Strapping a Glock under your jacket is not going to make you a man or protect you or anyone else. It just makes you a danger to the public. Prime example: the guy at the Gabby Giffords shooting who almost shot an innocent bystander, because, in his own words, he mistook who the bad guy was.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #219)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:31 AM

221. And I lose patience with those who argue from emotion and not facts

My position is clearly that in terms of pure gun safety (lack of accidents, results of accidental discharges, etc) open carry is safer. I always pointed out that due to negative public reaction, concealed carry was preferable.

I carry for a very specific reason I have discussed and posted many times. When that reason is not present I don't. It is an exceptional case.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #221)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:43 PM

233. An honest question ...

safer because everyone stays clear of you? Many / most who choose to carry openly are probably very good people, but you wouldn't catch me in the same space with them.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #233)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:04 PM

239. Safer purely from a gun handling perspective

Less accidents and less injury from accidents as I discussed above.

Carrying a firearm openly except at a range, hunting, etc is a good way to scare the shit out of people, particularly in an urban setting. While it is legal in a surprising number of places, its not smart. I have never advocated it.

Another example of intimidation is tactical holsters (sidearm on the thigh, not waist). Vastly superior for any number of reasons including safety. Most cop shops will not allow that except for SWAT since it is so intimidating to the public.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #239)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:27 PM

243. Sorry, I hadn't read your earlier post.

It makes sense that your weapon would be better secured .... I still disagree completely with anyone carrying a gun in public either openly or concealed, but good on you for making sure it's as safe as possible, anyway.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #123)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:34 AM

194. Nor are most things when done by professionals. But to compare a cop to any random bubba with a gun

 

seems ... well, not an airtight argument.

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Response to panzerfaust (Reply #194)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:56 AM

200. Do you realize how little gun training police get?

Less than the average hobbyist gets in a week.

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Response to dmallind (Reply #200)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:17 AM

217. "Less than the average hobbyist gets in a week."

 

Assertion. Not fact.

How much "training" do you suppose the moran in this news report puts in every week? Apparently not enough to keep this "advocate of open carry" from shooting hisownself in the bathroom whilst playing with his Man Card.


This is not the world most of us want to live in.

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Response to panzerfaust (Reply #194)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:18 AM

218. As I said upthread, it depends on the civilian

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:43 PM

9. I'm sure this is traumatic for you.

I hope you're ok!

As for the idiot who shot himself...

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Response to LeftofObama (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:49 PM

13. If the bullet had gone the wrong way, two of us in front of the loo could of been hit.

The ambulance took long enough that had he hit an artery he would of bled out and died.

After I saw he was alive and probably going to live I went for a walk to calm down. I will gladly help in the effort to not let this idiot live this down if I see him again.

The cyber cafe has a new policy, "No open carry or concealed weapons on premises."

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Response to Nika (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:55 PM

21. You might want to go home and have a drink.

I know I would and I'm not a drinker!

I'm glad you're ok!

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Response to Nika (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:57 PM

24. Well, just in case it happens again

which means if the NO GUNS policy draws every swaggering gunslinger in town, tourniquets are out. What you need to do is grab a towel and a plastic bag, protect your hand with the bag, and put the towel against the wound and lean on it, especially if the wound is a pumper (arterial).

Shit heads are going to be shit heads no matter what else is going on around them. I would hope that the country manages to disarm most of them in the coming years, with luck through a combined policy of escalating liability insurance per type of gun and carry and heavy taxes on ammo.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:28 PM

57. Good ideas . . .

Those are good ideas, about increased gun insurance and ammo taxation, very good ideas. I think moving rapidly on both of those should be a priority.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:30 PM

58. Why no tourniquet?

It's what I learned in Boy Scouts. I haven't taken a first aid class in twenty years, though.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:34 PM

61. We used a leather belt. There was a tourniquet.

Plenty of blood too.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:47 PM

70. It cuts off collateral circulation to the whole appendage

causing tissue damage. It can lead to tissue necrosis and amputation, especially in diabetics. It was abandoned decades ago in favor of pressure directly on the artery.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #70)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:37 PM

93. Scouts said it was to be used in a "life or limb" scenario

My idiot neighbor was shooting his 22 at a raccoon on the other neighbor's yard. My wife objected to it because of a ricochet and/or injury. The dumbshit hasn't spoken to us in five months.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #93)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:01 PM

134. Oh, I'd have let the local Gestapo talk to him for that stunt.

There's nothing like a visit from a couple of very angry cops to get a gunslinger to retreat to a shooting range.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #134)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:15 AM

164. I wouldn't see why they'd need to get angry

Just calmly point out how he could have killed himself, or injured or killed someone else, and then the conversation with LE would be a whole lot different.

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Response to Kennah (Reply #164)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:37 AM

166. Cops don't tend to take assholes with guns lightly

especially when they're out shooting near other people's homes.

They'd have their mean cop faces on, trust me.

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Response to Kennah (Reply #164)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:04 AM

179. This drunk has already been in the dock on weapons charges

Or so he said when going "all stupid" on my wife. He is a father of three and acts like a teenager. I see a lot of that behavior by gun owners: vandalism, poaching, unsupervised use by youth, and the enabling of schoolyard shootings. I have seen all of that myself and the schoolyard shooting was the big story in this town last year.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #70)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:48 PM

103. Tourniquets are actually making a comeback...

...as the military has been using them for Iraq and Afghanistan. There have been cases where a "T" had been left on for six hours and the limb was not lost.

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Response to actslikeacarrot (Reply #103)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:00 PM

133. If you're out where there is only a belt and no extra clothing

then a tourniquet is nice to know how to use, but they're not the preferred method of stabilizing blood loss.

Rotating tourniquets on shocky people are something else, entirely.

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Response to actslikeacarrot (Reply #103)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:00 AM

174. The new CAT (Combat Application Tourniquet) system has literally been a lifesaver

Throw in clotting sponges and bandages and team member trauma treatment has come a long way. Its one of the mandatory items in a traveling first aid kit for me.

Lots of places to get them, this has a good picture
http://www.amazon.com/CAT-C-A-T-Combat-Application-Tourniquet/dp/B003IPZRYI

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #174)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:41 PM

231. Tourniquets are routine.

Army doc told me our soldiers are wearing them round their shoulders and thlghs when in the field so as to be instantly ready if wounded on the limbs.

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Response to actslikeacarrot (Reply #103)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:33 PM

250. When an ambulance is nearby and the hospital is a few minutes away

the treatment is different.

In civilian life, there's very few situations where a tourniquet is a good idea. Pressure will do fine keeping the guy from bleeding to death in the few minutes until the EMTs arrive and do the scoop-and-run to the hospital.

Our troops aren't in that environment, so the treatment is different.

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Response to Nika (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:13 PM

40. Like the sign on the Old West Saloon

Check your guns at the door.

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Response to formercia (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:04 PM

79. It's so sad we have to RE-LEARN this policy. nt

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Response to Nika (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:34 PM

60. That's right... And I assume the help had to clean up after the mess... And fix the roof?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:41 PM

67. They did have to do that. Someone who has training with bio hazard protocol did come over to help

them do it right.

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Response to Nika (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:22 PM

87. Since your business wisely called the PD, they'll bill him and reimburse you, I'm sure.

Bio-hazard clean isn't cheap, either, IIRC.

I'm very glad none of you and the help were injured by his dumbassery.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:11 PM

81. All that blood on the floor, and the hole in the tiles? He built that!

Didn't think Eugene Oregon would be a likely site for free-range Barney Fife, but I've been wrong before.

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Response to hatrack (Reply #81)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:19 PM

86. There are bagger infestations up and down the west coast, doncha know. Sad, but true.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #86)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:43 PM

101. off subject -what are the worst of these areas? Are they grouped in one county or place?

traveling up coast from calif to wash in april

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Response to lunasun (Reply #101)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:59 PM

111. Some inland areas... Or check the voting districts... It's all there... Yikes.

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Response to lunasun (Reply #101)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:14 PM

121. Antelope Valley (Lancaster/Palmdale) for one

When I returned from volunteering for Kerry in Ohio in '04, a woman, seeing the Kerry placards on my car, told me: "So YOU'RE the other Democrat in the Antelope Valley!"

I recently met the head of the local Tea Party here. It was at a social event for supporters of a non-profit community/veterans project, so it wasn't the time or place for a real discussion, nor was there time. But we'll probably meet again soon at another event. I'm looking forward to it...

Ed. to add: The SacBee mapped the most liberal/conservative areas of the state in 2009:
http://blog.sfgate.com/scavenger/2009/05/19/the-most-conservative-and-liberal-california-cities-are/



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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #121)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:13 AM

191. Home of Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart.

Hard to believe those guys survived to adulthood -- but I know from first-hand experience that living among The Backward can bring out one's creative instincts.



Antelope Valley High School Yearbook staff, 1956

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Response to lunasun (Reply #101)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:37 PM

127. Kern County is a big one

as well as all of the Central Valley

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Response to lunasun (Reply #101)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:06 PM

135. Thank you all

happy trails is my aim when I go
do not need freep creeps bringing me down

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Response to lunasun (Reply #101)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:40 PM

266. If you travel up the I-5 in California you are in the

thick of the infestation. My DH and I even had a militia type approach us in Calistoga, hardly a bastion of gun nuttery, because we had Idaho plates. However if you stick to the coast the road is wilder but very liberal.

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Response to Nika (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:49 PM

71. "No open carry or concealed weapons on premises."

At least THEY learned their lesson about having people who carry guns into their business. It should be against the law to take a gun into a business unless you ask the owner, and EVERYONE in the store. One NO! and that is IT.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #71)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:00 AM

161. Only the owner gets to make the call

The signs outside are clear enough. If its not there, the patron knows there could be armed people inside.

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Response to Nika (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:07 PM

117. The NRA will jump on the "ban". They will claim Americans have ...

the constitutional right to endanger people in public.

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Response to wake.up.america (Reply #117)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:30 AM

151. This is private property. The shop has a right to keep guns out. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #151)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:38 AM

153. Sorry, I failed to recognize the difference and the significance of that difference.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #151)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:36 PM

251. NRA no longer believes that to be true.

The've been working to change concealed carry laws so that property owners can not ban guns.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #251)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:20 PM

268. Yes, the NRA advocates a lot of crazy shit. nt

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:46 PM

10. glad nobody else got hurt , and this is the guy who is going to save the day ?

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:51 PM

17. Wow, that was a fast post on the Register Guard site, thanks for posting the link.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:50 PM

14. I'm glad no one else got hit by accident!

I just had someone tell me at dinner of a person they know who shot them self in the leg last week. They were a concealed carry permit person who somehow accidentally shot their leg either putting on or taking off their gun. At least they didn't do it in public where they could have shot someone else I guess.

On edit: I was wrong it was a little over two weeks ago when he shot himself I was just corrected.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:50 PM

15. What the hell?? Was he masturbating with his gun?

He was only able to shoot off once? What a dumb ass.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:22 PM

53. I can explain why, even if I can't speak to the reasonableness of what he was doing.

A heavy revolver like that, being open carried, is in a holster that doesn't work real well if you unhitch your belt and take your pants down. (this sometimes applies to some carry rigs for police officers, that's how so many of them leave their guns in bathrooms) So, when you have to go, you take the gun out and put it somewhere, probably on the toilet paper rack or something like that. Then you put it back after you pull your pants up.

This introduces lots of opportunities to shoot yourself.

Worse, this guy's gun was an 'antique' revolver of some sort. Meaning, it is likely without a bar safety, that can prevent the hammer from dropping, or being forced forward by an impact, if you drop the weapon and the hammer is pushed forward without the trigger being pulled.

It is also possible to drop it, grab/fumble for it, and end up pulling the trigger, and having the gun fire properly as it was designed to.


Modern firearms are extremely drop-safe. If you start to drop one, it is safer to let it fall, rather than to grab for it and risk pulling the trigger, which on a DAO type firearm and a few others, will cause it to fire.


SO, this guy is Negligent to start with. That much is certain. The other half of the equation is that he is either stupid, or unlucky. Hard to tell from the story.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:01 PM

113. The other half: he was stupid and very lucky

There are a million ways in which the consequences of this fool's actions could have been worse, but only one way they could have been better, which is if he'd missed his leg and shot just the floor and ceiling.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #113)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:50 AM

157. I fear in that case

he wouldn't have learned anything. Probably would have fled.

Bad enough he asked people to hide the gun.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #157)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:18 PM

261. I don't think he learned anything, just because of that

Asking people to hide the gun? That's a new depth of stupid

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #261)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:19 PM

262. he might even be charged with a crime for that.

Tampering with evidence or somesuch.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:50 PM

16. One more responsible gun owner

These morons should be banned from public spaces

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Response to malaise (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:56 PM

22. The real impact of Newtown is that many people are learing just how pervasive shootings are

self-inflicted and otherwise. Previously unless some mentally disturbed young white kid mowed down 20 people it was barely covered. With the new sensitivity to this, we now know that stuff like this is happening all day long all across the country. It is so much worse than Newtown, it is really unbelievable that the gun people have been able to suppress this stuff for so long.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:24 PM

55. Because the public have had enough

and are documenting every shooting they can

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:13 AM

163. It wasn't until Newtown that I realized how much the NRA stopped gun research.

They just want their propaganda unchallenged by the facts. It's sickening.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #163)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:08 AM

204. They had to.

The facts are overwhelming. If your position is that you don't want any regulation ever about anything, then the only hope is to try to control the information so people don't realize how bad it really is.

Our "news" media is particularly poor at putting things in perspective -- especially putting RISK FACTORS into perspective. They would much rather talk about the one school bus in 20 years that drives off a cliff rather than include information that puts that in perspective with the other hazards we should be more concerned about.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:53 PM

18. Thaaaaaat's a shame

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:54 PM

19. Ever notice that sometimes shit just floats to the top? nt

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:57 PM

23. Barney Fife, here to protect you!

Seriously, though, that must have been a scary experience for you.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:03 PM

27. It rattled me pretty good. Which is why I had to leave the scene while the ambulance were dealing...

.. with him, and the cops were dealing with the gun and leather gun belt with the cartridges.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:58 PM

25. "we heard a loud gunshot and a scream from the loo"



I shouldn't laugh. Glad he didn't kill himself.

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:12 PM

82. You can start a novel with first lines like that!

Without any context before it, that one lets the imagination run wild.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #82)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:27 PM

122. lol. yep

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:00 PM

26. Another perfect example of how owning a gun keeps you safe! LOL

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:04 PM

28. Didn't have the hammer on an empty chamber . . .

He most likely didn't have the hammer on an empty chamber, and it fell out of his holster and went off when it hit the floor. Guess he figured he'd need all six rounds for the big showdown, or something equally stupid.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:07 PM

31. Yeah, I think so. nt

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:10 PM

35. The guy is real macho and covered with tattoos, and talks about the Kenyan usurper when he talks ...

... politics. I'm sure he had all six gun chambers loaded, and has the big cavernous chamber in his head quite empty.

Honestly, I'm glad he lived, but I really don't like this guy.

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Response to Nika (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:17 PM

45. This might . . .

Last edited Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:38 PM - Edit history (1)

This might wise him up a bit, or at least embarrass him enough he won't go back to your cafe. Being shot does hurt a lot, and for a long, long time too.

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Response to Nika (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:40 PM

64. Scars have more character than tattoos--Andre Codrescu

He's an NPR commentator from Romania. He was quite a hit in the 1990s.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #64)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:43 PM

100. His poetry is good too.

He edits a Journal of poetry and short fiction called The Exquisite Corpse.

http://corpse.org/index.php

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #64)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:55 PM

105. He was at a convention I went to and was a kick to listen to

I picked up a couple of his books, and have been pleased to hear him from time to time on NPR.

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Response to Nika (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:11 AM

206. LOL. "the big cavernous chamber in his head quite empty.'

If he describes Obama as the "Kenyan usurper" then he is probably against that evil socialism that provides things like paramedics and ambulances.

Since I'm sure he is all about people being responsible for themselves, I hope he gets a big fat bill for all the damage to your place of business.

And of course, everyone's health care costs are increased by idiots like this. Insurance rates reflect the cost of gun violence and hospital emergency room charges relect the costs of the uninsured who enter their doors and are unable to pay. We all pay the price for irresponsible gun owners.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:08 PM

32. A old high school friend of mine has shot himself in the leg twice.

Lifetime NRA member and activist Libertarian.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:08 PM

33. There are lots in the gun culture just like this- non-law abiding, stupid, cowboy, dangerous, etc.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:11 PM

36. Then we would have a lot more injuries...your claim is specious

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #99)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:32 PM

124. I have been following those numbers well before Newtown

Also aware of how much they do not include in them

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:06 PM

115. bwahahahahaha!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:09 PM

119. If there were 1000 times more, it still wouldn't be enough for gunners to give em up.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #119)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:33 PM

125. More wishing injuries and death on those you disagree with?

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #125)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:33 AM

152. Those who accumulate, promote, and profit from guns care little for anyone but their guns.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #152)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:53 AM

158. Thank you for confirming it

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #125)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:45 AM

196. Straw Man.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #196)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:55 PM

246. That's all he's got. nt

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:12 PM

37. Idiot!

You're supposed to save the LAST round for yourself!

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:12 PM

38. We had one on Sunday

Man accidentally shoots himself in grocery store bathroom
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50619308/ns/local_news-minneapolis_st_paul_mn/#.UQsVxb00hPE

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:13 PM

39. Relieved to hear you are ok. n/t

 

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:14 PM

41. He just fucking shot himself...

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:14 PM

42. I could only say one thing to this man


Glad Nika that neither you nor anyone else was hurt

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:16 PM

43. Now the OC militia will be out in force

claiming to save mankind from idiots like this one.

The shit never ends.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:16 PM

44. I hope he wiped himself first.

otherwise, the OR staff is in for a stinker.

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Response to formercia (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:23 PM

242. we wear gloves and disposable gowns

or the hospital scrubs for things like that.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:17 PM

46. Luckily, he only shot himself this time. Unluckily, he only got his leg. nt

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:17 PM

47. If only some good guys carrying guns had been there!

They could have sensed what was going on in the bathroom and blasted him all to hell before he had a chance to shoot himself!

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Response to DLnyc (Reply #47)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:58 PM

109. LOL! Agree with you, but that was spit on the monitor good...

I'm such a sick dog, but that was funny.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #109)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:02 AM

143. yeah, sorry, funny in a sick kind of way, I guess.

it's a sick kind of world, though, so maybe it fits . . .

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Response to DLnyc (Reply #143)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:12 AM

145. It did fit the *rootin' tootin' six gun shootin'* mentality of the shootee in the OP.

I always wonder one thing since I've only owned rifles and that was a long time ago. At least on teevee, handguns have a little safety latch on them, right?

It's meant to prevent an accidental discharge and can be easily undone when the gun is going to be fired. Don't these folks know about that, or are they afraid something is gonna jump on them before they can think to do that?

That would prevent accidents so it would be SOP with guns. I dunno.


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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:18 PM

48. Normally I ignore gun threads, but now I embrace them.

Gunsels can be really stupid. And any thread which highlights gunsel stupidity is one I am going to embrace.

Mainly because being a gunsel is equivalent to stupidity.

R&K

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Response to longship (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:43 PM

68. A "gunsel" is actually the bottom half of a prison romance.

But it kind of fits - these guys are certainly in a romance with something that could only be a top...

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Response to IveWornAHundredPants (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:05 PM

114. Apparently not in 1930s-1950s detective fiction

The term may have shifted meaning in recent decades, but I've never read or heard of it the way you've used it. Learn something new every day...

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Response to Hekate (Reply #114)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:05 PM

247. When Chandler used it in the Maltese Falcon

that was exactly what he meant.

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Response to SwankyXomb (Reply #247)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:32 PM

249. ooooo, my innocence has been violated!

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:18 PM

49. Businesses should be held responsible

If any innocent people get hurt from guns. It will take a few mishaps to show the full effect of allowing assholes to conceal and carry into stores and putting people in danger. It's YOUR business, don't let assholes who need to carry their paranoia ruin YOUR business. No shoes, shirt can allow them to throw your ass out, why not for a gun? If I had a business in a state where C/C were legal, I would post a huge sign telling them to shop elsewhere, or suffer the lawsuit awaiting you. Their second amendment stops at MY door. Fuck them.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:08 PM

118. word

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:36 PM

126. Would you agree with the obvious corollary

That if you declared a gun free zone and did not adequately enforce it, when there was injuries with a firearm you would bear some liability?

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #126)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:54 AM

172. A perfectly proper position for a point.

You purport to project pugnacious pugilistic paradoxes on progressive people's pragmatic priorities.

Pooh pooh on your pablum and pretty prose. Place it properly in your proboscis, Professor, and sneeze. God bless you.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #126)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:19 AM

175. What the fuck?

No, it doesn't work that way.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:21 PM

52. Thankfully there were no victims in this shooting.

Edit to adjust:

Thankfully you are ok after this incident as well, at least physically. By "no victims" I mean the idiot got exactly what he deserved a good scare and a scar to remember this by hopefully.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:25 PM

56. what a moron expecting you guys to hide his pistol too! WTH did he think he would tell police?

was he going to pin the shooting on a gang banger or something? Idiot.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:32 PM

59. Frankly, thinking is not a process I associate with him.

I frankly don't think he was thinking too well. Being in shock with a half baked brainpan don't go together well.

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Response to Nika (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:40 PM

63. He'll have a little more to think about...

...when he gets the bill for the ceiling and roof repairs.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:36 PM

62. You said it best: what a loser and an idiot!

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:41 PM

65. Open carry advocate with an open wound opens up on himself. I'll keep an open mind.

I'm glad he's not dying, although he should be dying of embarrassment.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:41 PM

66. Indra's should post a sign

 

"Fuck your Open Carry - NO FUCKING GUNS ALLOWED IN *MY* BUSINESS - LEAVE IT OUTSIDE!"

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Response to Hard Assets (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:44 PM

69. This is the new policy at Indra's as a matter of fact. No guns at all are allowed there.

I am still here BTW. The most common comment I've heard is basically; "What a dumbshit" said in various ways.

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Response to Nika (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:39 PM

97. "Any guns, No shirt, No shoes, No service"

This is the sign we need to see popping up in businesses everywhere.

Businesses that won't do the basics to have a safe environment for employees and customers don't deserve our patronage.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:50 PM

72. If only his leg had been better armed to defend itself

Or if there had been a teacher in the bathroom

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:58 PM

75. So.....

 

were you, Nika, the one inside the cyber cafe, or are you merely quoting?

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Response to Ian Iam (Reply #75)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:14 PM

84. I was here for the shooting and aftermath, but I left the premises and took a walk during the time

the Register Guard reporter was here.

I am well known here as a forest activist anyway and have been on the cover of that paper when I was doing a tree sit in 1998 and nearly died in a fall from 40 feet to the pavement.

It was better that others talked to the reporter. I'm retired from doing that in situations like this.

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Response to Ian Iam (Reply #75)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:15 PM

85. Still there per last post.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:59 PM

76. OMG

Live by the gun.
Die by the gun.
Glad it wasn't a suicide attempt
Or suicide.
Stupid ass.
If you play with matches....

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:01 PM

77. I love it!

 

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:31 PM

88. GunNUT Has Trouble Negotiating the Toilet..Shoots Self

 

YOUgagMe, OreGUN...One definitely flew over the Cuckcoo's Nest there, eh?
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--Bartholomew "Barley" Scott Blair, "The Russia House"

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Response to triplepoint (Reply #88)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:37 PM

94. Yep, this happened in downtown where we have a Kesey square

with a statue of Ken reading to his grandkids and the McDonald Theater run by the Keseys. I think the University of Oregon just bought his papers too to add to the library on campus.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:32 PM

90. LOL

Sounds like a criminal to me. "Hide my gun". You fucking coward, own up to your stupidity....

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #90)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:57 PM

108. Hey, don't mock this HERO

He DID take out the most dangerous guy in the place.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #108)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:47 PM

235. He is indeed a legend in his own mind.

Someone was just in Indras where I am posting from who visited him in the hospital.

Apparently he feels it was not his fault whatsoever.

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Response to Nika (Reply #235)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:00 PM

238. Oddly, that's not surprising

To hold the views he holds, he has to be an expert at rationalization.

But if he wants to blame it on the gun, he's going to run up against that "Guns don't kill people..." thing.

We are enjoying your reports--please keep up the good work...and fish for more...



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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #238)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:26 PM

263. Yes - also the "Guns don't 'go off'..." thing. (n/t)

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:39 PM

95. Anything that can ricochet is a bad thing. Someone else could have been killed. n/t

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:39 PM

96. Small wonder he didn't bleed to death.

And small loss if he did. Dipshit. One less gun-nut in the world. The fact that he shot himself rather than someone else is proof that there's justice in the world...

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:41 PM

98. Can't these people be sued?

It seems like he was endangering you, and everyone else in the area, if he was carrying a firearm in such a way that it may fire accidentally.

If I were you I would call one of those ambulance chasing lawyers who don't get paid unless you get a settlement.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:45 PM

102. If it had struck something else... he might of needed a bigger gun!! (nt)

 

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:49 PM

104. It seems like I keep reading this story over and over again.

With only the names and places changed.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:56 PM

106. Sounds like he's more of an "open casket" activist

He may still be alive, but will live to shoot himself another day!

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:57 PM

107. keep up the good work, 2A activists!

you can look for more of these things to happen, what with the proliferation of MOAR GUNSES over the last month.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:41 PM

128. Was he vigorously stroking his piece when it went off? eom

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #128)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:44 PM

131. LOL!

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:41 PM

129. LOL, the stupidity just makes me have to laugh. nt

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:55 PM

132. This prick should have to pay back the taxpayer $$$ that paid the police and paramedics.

With great power comes great responsibility, asshole!

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:08 PM

136. -_-

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:17 PM

137. I am so glad you're alright. nt

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:56 PM

141. And of course the worthless fucker got everybody else involved in his fucked up shit

How many people, how much money, how many person-hours, how much mental and emotional trauma, how much taxpayer resources, how much damage and destruction is this worthless fuck liable for?

I hope the cops learn that he wanted the bystanders to get involved in hiding his gun.

"Gee, he's been shot in the leg while alone in the bathroom, but there's no gun around. Must be one of those unsolvable gunshot mysteries."

Or was it that ever-convenient Black Man Who Went Running Out Of The Bathroom Right After He Got Shot?

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:10 AM

144. Thankfully no one else was hurt.

These idiots should be kept isolated from society. "Open carry" on a desert island somewhere.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:18 AM

146. was he wearing clean underwear?

Cause this is one of those cases where you wish you had listened to your mom ROFL

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #146)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:28 AM

150. Not any more. nt

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #146)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:58 PM

237. his cut off clothes, including his jockey shorts were in the plastic bag the fireman secured in the

pump engine that accompany ambulances here in Eugene, Oregon.

All the clothes looked very bio hazard city.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:21 AM

148. Nice shootin', Tex!

What a clown. Yup, we should arm teachers next. I'd give it three days before a student is accidently shot. What a loony bin.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:24 AM

149. The only person who can stop a dumbass with a gun...

You can't fix stupid.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:16 AM

165. All I can say is ...

These people are idiots to the very core of their being.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:06 AM

168. Obviously, we need MORE guns in bathrooms, lucky he didn't shoot his

Penis off, but then again it's probably a very small target!

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #168)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:22 AM

176. Every bathroom stall should have an armed police guard posted.

That's the best way to prevent this type of tragedy.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:47 AM

178. shot himself

Maybe if he had another gun in his other hand he could have fought off the left had with his right hand, and not been shot at all.
But of course the one guy was right. This is my rifle, this my gun, this is for shooting and this is for fun. He must have gotten the saying all mixed up.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:13 AM

181. How long before one of these idiots accidentally hurts or kills an innocent person?

Does open carry increase or decrease public safety? I don't know the answer for certain, but it may be that on average it decreases it.

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Response to drm604 (Reply #181)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:53 AM

183. Already happens, just doesn't make national news.

AURORA - Charges were filed against an employee whose gun accidentally went off at the University of Colorado School of Dental Medicine at the Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora earlier this month.

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On Nov. 9, police records indicate Loeb had reported a suspicious person following her. When police investigated the report, no one was found. After the incident, Loeb told her coworkers and mentioned a concealed weapon she was carrying.

According to the police record, Loeb showed her coworkers the gun. Loeb, who had a concealed-weapons permit, took apart the gun in an attempt to make it safer for her coworkers to see. When she went to reassemble the gun, it appeared to be jammed.

As Loeb attempted to fix the jam, the gun accidentally went off. The bullet struck a metal panel, ricocheted and hit one of her coworkers in the leg. The women sustained a minor injury to her left calf, and Loeb suffered a small laceration on her hand.
http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php?topic=2339.0

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:00 AM

184. Lucky

If the dummy's bullet had hit someone else that person would have been SOL. The gun owner probably had no insurance or assets to cover the victim's injuries.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:27 AM

186. Perhaps you can ask the cafe to post "no gun" signs to discourage

open carry there? I have started a petition to get JC Penney's to do that.

The cafe is private property and have the right to state "no open guns" and asking that after this type of incident would probably get you good response.

Here is the petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/jc-penney-company-inc-please-post-signs-banning-open-carry-guns-in-jc-penney-stores?utm_campaign=share_button_action_box&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

Here is the link to the story: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022289465

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:40 AM

188. Oh wow.

They are just completely incompetent buffoons.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:44 AM

189. It's called "thinning the herd". /nt

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:58 AM

190. Too bad he didn't shoot his balls off . . .

Thus eliminating the chance he might reproduce.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #190)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:13 PM

267. New meaning for the phrase "Gun Nuts" :) (n/t)

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Response to klook (Reply #267)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:43 PM

275. (Rimshot!) n/t

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:16 AM

192. another musical?

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:46 AM

197. Posted to BuzzFlash

and

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:56 AM

199. All I can do is giggle.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:15 AM

207. I was all ready to call BS on this one

new poster, gun controversy...seemed too perfect.

Then I plugged Indira's and shooting into google news...



http://www.kval.com/news/local/Police-Man-shoots-himself-in-the-leg-at-internet-cafe-189295501.html


bammo


I owe you an apology.

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #207)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:32 AM

222. It's made it to "weird news" so you know this guy is going to live in shame.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:20 AM

208. Ladies, prepare to find a wet toilet seat with this kind of aim.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:31 AM

210. Dumbass



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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:38 AM

211. He took a leak. Or an ammo dump.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:47 AM

212. I wonder what will happen when one of those idiots with assault rifles on their backs,...

...slips and falls? None of these open-carry idiots consider the possibility of an accident occurring.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:00 AM

214. If only his leg had a gun...

Probably been said before but with 200+ responses I'm not checking first.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:07 AM

216. He Needs Another Gun To Protect Himself From His Gun!

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:50 AM

226. Who's paying for ER care?

With all the new cases of open carry advocates with something to prove who end up merely proving that they don't know how to handle a weapon safely, I wonder who ends up paying for the ER visits when they shoot themselves or others? Doesn't this become a matter of public health when we the taxpayers are footing the bill for their stupidity?

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Response to Ubix (Reply #226)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:51 PM

236. This is a good question, as he is fairly well indigent as he is unemployed.

Sacred Heart Hospital or the Oregon Health plan will be springing for this one I would bet money on.

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Response to Nika (Reply #236)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:17 PM

241. Average cost to treat a gunshot wound was $38,000 according to a 2006 study.

Furthermore, the majority of gunshot victims are uninsured. The cost is passed on to all of us in the form of higher insurance and health care costs.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/18/sorry-rush-gun-violence-is-a-health-care-issue/192320

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Response to PA Democrat (Reply #241)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:18 PM

283. And he is an Obama hater and a health care plan foe too. Which makes this ironic.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:52 AM

227. Open Carry? (look for the laser dot)

I always wonder about the psychological needs that are being fulfilled by someone who has chosen to carry (concealed or open). Anyone who feels they are expressing a fundamental 'Right' needs to understand the risks they inherit by taking such action.

As a First Responder, we operate under very strict rules. Rule #1, self protection, never go where there is risk. If firearms are found to be present, back out of the zone and call law enforcement.

In this situation, the EMT's would not have gone in until the police had secured any weapons and taken them into custody. During a emergency, (declared or not) going for a stroll with your trusty AR-15 will get you stopped, the weapon confiscated and some quality time explaining who you are and what you were thinking.

The fantasies of the doomsday prepper, intent on having sufficient weapons to repel either the Walking Dead, the local police or a squad of Marines, is just that, an unhinged fragment of an episode of an imaginary conspiracy.

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Response to padruig (Reply #227)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:43 PM

232. This guy had been in the 101st Division in the Army and is an Iraqi vet.

He was burned by the Army and put out, and he walks around with a chip on his shoulder and flaunts his anger at this 'injustice' all the time.

I am also an Army vet who has a concealed carry permit and only have that after I nearly got mugged for an expensive bicycle in Portland, Oregon. I don't like to carry a gun, and am damn picky about where and when I do so.

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Response to Nika (Reply #232)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:06 PM

259. Do you feel safe in Portland?

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Response to lebkuchen (Reply #259)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:11 PM

281. Most times, most places I do in PDX. However, at a light rail stop I was alone with a group of...

... youths on a platform. I had a very expensive Cinelli classic italian racing bicycle with me worth over three thousand dollars they tried rushing me to get. But I used to race and got off the platform onto the neighboring highway and escaped -- (just barely at that.)

So I bought a small five round S&W snub nose and got a concealed carry permit to improve my peace of mind when cycling up there.

I was in the Army nine years and am a good shot. Suffice it to say, nobody should ever try to take control of me when I am riding a bicycle up there.

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Response to Nika (Reply #281)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:27 PM

290. I'd consider moving back to the US to a place like Oregon, but the open conceal law

in so many of the states makes me nervous. Here in Germany (probably where you spent some time), I feel completely comfortable, as I do in all of Europe.

Keep safe.

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Response to lebkuchen (Reply #290)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:37 PM

291. Thanks, I try hard to stay safe. I will note that as a young 7 Eleven clerk I was held up five times

in five years.

I used to live in Berlin and in Bavaria in Rottach-Egern on lake Tegernsee. I look forward to going back and visiting old haunts there someday.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:53 AM

228. open carry

means dont' hide the gun.

so he shoots his fool self in the leg and then wants someone else to break the law by tampering with evidence.

And what if that bullet ricocheted and went through the door and through a 3 yr old's head?

Classic.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #228)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:39 PM

230. The bullet is in the ceiling after going through the wall to the room three of us were in.

He could of easily killed or maimed us if this had happened with the S&W model 19 357 magnum pointed at the right angle.

I am pissed about it too.

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Response to Nika (Reply #230)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:39 PM

258. I'm glad that you and other patrons were not hurt

in the blink of an eye, one's life can change completely through no fault of their own.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #228)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:16 PM

282. Well put, thank you.

He is a God, guns and guts made this country sort of guy. And a little boy in a man's body in many ways.

I think he needs to take an enforced by law break from gun carrying. He has too much growing up to do to make him safe with one.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:49 PM

245. The good thing about open carry is those danged weapons never get fired

by accident.

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Response to indepat (Reply #245)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:13 PM

248. We had an "accidental" shooting where I live on Sunday

It was an entirely different context. A local smoke shop kept a shotgun to protect employees in the event of a robbery.

A 23-yo worker there--mother of a 6-month-old baby--died when a a blast from the shotgun intended to protect employees penetrated her chest.

The co-worker who caused her death claims the shooting was accidental.

The score is:

Employees saved by protective weapon: 0

Employees killed by "protective" weapon: 1

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #248)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:24 PM

256. This incident has an all too familiar ring

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:59 PM

252. Oh, yeah! He's just the kind of guy I want around when trouble starts.

Maybe he should keep his bullet in his pocket, a la Barney Fife.

What a dope.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:22 PM

255. Stupid is as stupid does :)

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:29 PM

257. It was common practice in the old west to lower your hammer on an empty chamber so as not to shoot

yourself if you drop your gun. I read they would carry their burying money in the empty chamber. I guess he needed the full six rounds in case he came upon the James Gang or something.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #257)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:42 PM

274. I heard that six bullets might not be enough! nt

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:11 PM

260. Holy Moly! that sounds so NOT Eugene OR.

I lived there for decades, am now in Portlandia, but this is the kind of story
one expects to come out of Mississippi or Kansas, not the place noted for it's
naked Hippies running around in the woods.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #260)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:26 PM

284. Tell me about it. I have been an environmental activist many years here and done many tree sits and

other actions. We have had people shoot near sits and once put arrows in a tree holding a siter near Blue River.

The bubbas and tea party types may not be as high profile as the old enclaved counter culter and activist community here, but they do exist.

Remember, the KKK used to march in the 4th of July parade here. We do have had a history of bad elements blighting the scene locally.

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Response to Nika (Reply #284)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:01 PM

288. the phrase "poetic justice" comes to mind

maybe he'll rethink his cavalier attitude about "open carry".

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:30 PM

264. That is hysterical- and truly is a good sign of how inept most of these gun rights folks are. nt

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:28 PM

269. At least he has a good excuse...






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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #269)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:26 PM

285. Quick quiz. What flavor turntable is that.....

My guess would be later model Dual by virtue of the lock down screws, straight tone arm and position of the lift lever.
But I could be wrong you know.

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Response to wandy (Reply #285)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:51 PM

286. Oh, man, you got me there

I grew up playing my big brother's 45's on his old record player, but I couldn't tell you what it was. Just an old record player.

I don't remember talking about 'turntables' until I was in VN--when we ordered all our shit from the PX. All extinct now, and I wouldn't even remember my turntable. But I had an Akai reel-to-reel, a Sansui 5000A amp, two Pioneer CS33 speakers and two Sansui 2000 speakers.

When the amp died 15 or so years ago and parts couldn't be found for it, I sold the whole kit and caboodle for 60 bucks. I think I was sorriest about losing the RtoR (though it had one channel out) and the Sansui speakers (which had beautiful wood cabinets). C'est la vie.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:39 PM

273. Alert the Creationists! Proof positive of Evolution!

Let's hope his "leg" doesn't spawn any more little open carry advocates!

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:45 PM

276. I just wanna say...THIS gets my thread of the night VOTE!

K and fucking R on the blended all the contributions...

The best video was Cat Steven's "Where will the children play?" I forgot how good that song was until I saw this.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:08 PM

280. I almost find myself wondering if he wasn't REALLY up to no good here ...

With Nika's description of how angry this guy is ... and the fact that he's fumbling with his gun in the bathroom ... how do you guys really know he didn't just shoot himself while pulling it out, getting ready to go on a spree against the coffee-swilling big-gubmint-loving liberals of Eugene?

I kinda hope the cops go and search his house, see if there's a friggin' note laying around somewhere.

Sheeesh ... anyways glad you're already Nika. That's some scary, scary stuff to have happen in the place you're at.

These kinds of cases are going to go through the roof now that the NRA has ratcheted up their rhetoric and fear-mongering about gun grabs since Newtown ... I'm sure gun sales lately are threw the roof, and I'd bet a large % of the people buying 'em recently (of COURSE it's just a coincidence that their fear-mongering drives sales for the corporations they're associated with/lobbying on behalf of) probably know very little about proper safety/handling.

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Response to Nika (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:40 AM

287. Barney Fife?

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #287)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:15 PM

289. Barney wouldn't have an accidental discharge

Remember where he keeps his only bullet.

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