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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:34 PM

Per NBC news 203 people shot today as of 6pm

Wow, just wow.

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Reply Per NBC news 203 people shot today as of 6pm (Original post)
NightWatcher Jan 2013 OP
Control-Z Jan 2013 #1
sasha031 Jan 2013 #2
valerief Jan 2013 #26
City Lights Jan 2013 #39
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #3
Ilsa Jan 2013 #4
randome Jan 2013 #5
villager Jan 2013 #6
Laurian Jan 2013 #7
GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #78
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #8
Ilsa Jan 2013 #10
CTyankee Jan 2013 #15
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #19
indepat Jan 2013 #9
SailorMike Jan 2013 #13
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #14
SailorMike Jan 2013 #22
NoGOPZone Jan 2013 #35
pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #40
Robb Jan 2013 #46
Skittles Jan 2013 #18
SailorMike Jan 2013 #23
snort Jan 2013 #74
jmg257 Jan 2013 #11
alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #12
NewJeffCT Jan 2013 #16
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #17
NoPasaran Jan 2013 #20
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #21
Kolesar Jan 2013 #30
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #45
Kolesar Jan 2013 #66
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #70
geckosfeet Jan 2013 #36
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #48
geckosfeet Jan 2013 #53
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #61
geckosfeet Jan 2013 #79
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #80
Deep13 Jan 2013 #24
Earth_First Jan 2013 #25
Deep13 Jan 2013 #27
valerief Jan 2013 #28
Earth_First Jan 2013 #32
Recursion Jan 2013 #33
Earth_First Jan 2013 #41
Recursion Jan 2013 #47
Robb Jan 2013 #44
Bake Jan 2013 #71
Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #29
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #34
Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #63
Aerows Jan 2013 #73
Robb Jan 2013 #51
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #54
hatrack Jan 2013 #75
morningfog Jan 2013 #81
Recursion Jan 2013 #31
Earth_First Jan 2013 #37
Recursion Jan 2013 #49
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #42
Recursion Jan 2013 #50
Robb Jan 2013 #52
Recursion Jan 2013 #55
Robb Jan 2013 #57
Recursion Jan 2013 #58
OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #38
Earth_First Jan 2013 #43
Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #56
Skip Intro Jan 2013 #59
Robb Jan 2013 #62
NightWatcher Jan 2013 #64
morningfog Jan 2013 #82
MindMover Jan 2013 #60
Robb Jan 2013 #65
undeterred Jan 2013 #67
Robb Jan 2013 #68
The Straight Story Jan 2013 #69
neverforget Jan 2013 #72
snort Jan 2013 #76
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Ilsa Jan 2013 #83

Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:36 PM

1. Is that 203 in one day

collectively throughout the country?

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:38 PM

2. This country has lost it's soul


203 people shot and we've just started the evening.

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Response to sasha031 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:20 PM

26. Lost its mind is more like it. nt

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Response to sasha031 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:34 PM

39. Indeed.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:48 PM

3. More guns, we need more guns!!!

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:48 PM

4. I heard that, and then my phone rang, so I missed

the report. What the he'll is happening to a country where a middle schooler shoots another 14 year old at school? The gun-love is insane!

That's the number shot, not dead, but I bet it's a typical day, adding up to about 70,000 - 75,000 injured by a gun per year, 11,000 killed.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:52 PM

5. Whoever owned that gun that shot the 14 y/o should face charges.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:54 PM

6. IF ONLY THEY'D ALL BEEN ARMED!

oh, wait...

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:55 PM

7. Wow, that's beyond crazy. What is the matter

with people? Seems like a every little slight (both real and perceived) is resulting in a shoot out. Since when is this the way to resolve differences? I'd prefer to just say,"Fuck it" and walk away. Gun violence always destroys the perpetrator and their family as well as the victim and their family. We are ending up with a whole lot of damaged people in this society.

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Response to Laurian (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:54 PM

78. Most of those were criminals shooting other criminals.

Most of the rest were criminals (People with prior criminal records) shooting innocent people. Violent criminals don't pay any attention to gun laws.

Very few of them were law-abiding people shooting anybody.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:58 PM

8. 203 people shot today?

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:02 PM

10. Yes, but that's a typical day in the good ol' gun-worshipping USofA.

The stats say about 77,000-78,000 people were injured in 2011.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:32 PM

15. We are the ENVY of Europe, aren't we?

They have those silly outdoor cafes and museums and stuff.

We have FREEDOM and violence and death! Who wouldn't want to be like US???

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:45 PM

19. That is a mind-boggling number.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:59 PM

9. These are but small prices a right-wing-soused society willingly pays for the right to pack

AR-15s on their hips: to wit, in a right-wing-soused society, one's right to pack heat trumps others' right to life, liberty, and happiness.

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Response to SailorMike (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:31 PM

14. Find out and report back to us.

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Response to SailorMike (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:29 PM

35. see post 87 nt

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Response to NoGOPZone (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:35 PM

40. Ermahgerd...






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Response to NoGOPZone (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:40 PM

46. Beat me to it. nt

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Response to SailorMike (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:44 PM

18. do the dittomasters want to know?

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Response to indepat (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:31 PM

74. Listen up!

Death machines are okay because you do not know everything about them. Get that? That is the argument. Stupid, isn't it? I would suggest before driving a car you should become a certified Master Mechanic. Makes sense, doesn't it?

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:14 PM

11. That's nothing...almost meaningless in light of the upcoming struggle of guns vs tyranny.

/sarcasm

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:16 PM

12. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!! /heckle

Don't worry, gun nuts. You're fringe enough already.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:33 PM

16. But, it's all okay

because they're all protecting us from Obama's black helicopter UN takeover.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:34 PM

17. It's about time the networks started doing this...

During the Vietnam war they reported the deaths and new totals daily...it made a big difference and eroded ever more support for the war.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:47 PM

20. I hear this often, but that's really not the way I remember it

I believe the Pentagon issued a weekly casualty list and that's what the networks reported.

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Response to NoPasaran (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:54 PM

21. I think in the early years

they did it that way...but I seem to remember it being daily as the war dragged on. If you recall, the nightly news was full of horrific scenes coming from inside Vietnam. Even a weekly report would do much to move this debate forward.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:23 PM

30. I remember reports of how many bombers were shot down that day

Somehow I don't remember all that ghastly video. I was quite young. Maybe it is a repressed memory.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:39 PM

45. I'm 65...

I can remember thinking, in 1963, that I was glad the war would be over by the time my younger brother would be old enough to serve. He was killed in Binh Long Province in June of 1969...and the war dragged on and on and on.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:01 PM

66. I am so sorry.

There is so much to be said about that colossal mistake. I think I will leave that for some other time.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:06 PM

70. Thank you.

I read "America's Stolen Narrative" last week...I now loathe Nixon even more than I did before. If I believed in hell, I would wish him into the hottest corner.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:31 PM

36. So this will erode support for the 2A?

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:41 PM

48. Stop with the 2A BS... n/t

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:44 PM

53. Well. Please explain.

The war war a poorly concieved poorly executed excursion. What exactly are the networks 'exposing'?

A bunch of poorly trained gun owners? Poor firearms legislation? Poor atf oversight?

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:55 PM

61. What don't you understand?

That people who live in rural America have no idea of how many people are killed daily by guns? That if everyone knew, had it held up to their faces on a daily basis, they would begin to understand that changes need to be made? Most people do not want to confiscate guns from law abiding, sane citizens, they just want to find ways to make it much harder for the criminals and crazies to get guns.

This nonsense about the second amendment wasn't an issue until the crazies took over the NRA in 1977. It is a tool for the gun manufacturers, who really don't give a shit how many innocent people, including hundreds of children, are killed every year. Just like the oil & coal companies don't care what fossil fuels are doing to the planet and the health insurance and healthcare industries don't care about anything other than their profits.

I think most Americans are decent people, who would strongly support efforts to curtail gun violence if faced with the evidence.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:01 PM

79. Ah. I see. Gun violence and crime needs to be exposed for the evil that it is.

And television will explain that to the poor unenlightened rural people.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #79)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:25 PM

80. Now you are being ridiculous.

Why do you think Bush I banned the press from being at Dover AFB when the flag draped coffins arrived? A policy that wasn't reversed until Obama took office. It is the constant reminder of the realities of gun violence that need to be hammered home...and not to just rural Americans, although they see much less of it than people who live in or around large cities.

No one, certainly not I, said that rural Americans are unenlightened. However, gun violence is not part of their nightly news cast like it is here. I think because most people living in rural America don't receive a daily dose of gun violence, they can't appreciate how pervasive the problem has become. I also think we have a lot of suburban people, particularly those living in "high rent' communities who aren't as aware as they should be. I transitioned from 'rural Americans' to 'everyone', was that too subtle for you?

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:16 PM

24. Today? Considering how many armed conflicts are active in the world right now...

...that seems a bit low.

Unless you mean that this is for one state or country or whatever.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:18 PM

25. Gun-related shootings in the United States TODAY... n/t

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:21 PM

27. Twice as many as Britain can expect all year. nt

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:23 PM

28. I wonder how low you'd think it was if you'd been one of the victims.

There s/b zero gun-related DEATHS.

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Response to valerief (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:25 PM

32. Pardon me?

I was simply clarifying the question...

Why the implication that I feel that this is any more or any less tragic had I been one of the victims?

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:26 PM

33. No. There were not 203 gun deaths in the US today

Even in 1995 that high a level was unheard of

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:40 PM

47. Oh, injuries? Yes, that makes sense

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Response to Recursion (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:39 PM

44. "Firearm injury in the United States has averaged 32,300 deaths annually between 1980 and 2007."

"While the ratio varies, there are an average of five nonfatal firearm injuries for every two firearm deaths."

An average number of people getting shot would be 221, with 88 of them dying from it.

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/resourcebook/pdf/monograph.pdf

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:08 PM

71. I would think ANY shooting would be "gun-related."

What does that number include? How many were law-enforcement related? How many were suicides?

The raw number tells us very damn little, and going crazy over it makes no sense.

Bake

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:23 PM

29. How many victims of gun violence per day produced from Hollywood?

 

How much violence do the networks and Hollywood portray annually in their TV shows, movies and video games? It isn't just what comes out of their studios. It is how many per day on every channel and in every theater, in every venue, in locations throughout the country 1000-10000-100,000? It's amounts to one hxll of a lot of bad influence on vulnerable people.

Everyone of these orchestrated pretend deaths hard wires some of the people to look at violence as their way of life. The media is outrageously hypocritical on gun violence as they use it to profit in their movies, TV shows and as they also hype tragic news events. The media is a prime player in gun violence and the media elites pretend to oppose it.

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Response to Cynicus Emeritus (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:27 PM

34. Other countries watch the same films but have less guns and gun deaths

 

The problem is the easy access to guns in America.

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:55 PM

63. Sorry - other countries are not immersed in the same TV and Hollywood

 

as is shown in the USA. British TV for example doesn't have the violence that is portrayed on our present day cable and networks.

The entertainment industry is a primary causal factor in gun violence. They've always been able to influence the common folk and puppets but mostly in a negative way, just as their PR arm convinced women that it was cool to smoke (i.e. kill themselves) in the earlier part of the 20th century. If Hollywood was interested in positively influencing society they easily could do it by making drugs and violence un-cool. They don't because they put $$$$ first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_smoking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom

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Response to Cynicus Emeritus (Reply #63)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:29 PM

73. Have you seen some of the things

they show on TV and at the movie theaters in Japan? And yet they don't have a problem with 203 people getting shot per day.

It's the easy access to guns that is the problem. Pretending that it is anything else is to blindly ignore reality.

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Response to Cynicus Emeritus (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:42 PM

51. Also, FREEDOM!!11

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Response to Cynicus Emeritus (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:45 PM

54. Movies and Video Games don't kill people. Guns kill people.

Easy access to guns is the problem.

In places like Australia with strong gun laws they see all the same TV shows, movies and play the same video games. The death toll doesn't even come close.

It's the uncontrolled guns.

We should not repeat ridiculous NRA talking points.

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Response to Cynicus Emeritus (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:36 PM

75. When Warner Brothers starts handing out free Glocks & ammo in the lobby, you'll have a point

Until then, can't you try and come up with something we haven't heard for 35 years already?

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Response to Cynicus Emeritus (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:26 PM

81. Deflect! Weak.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:25 PM

31. That's year to date I think

Something of a jump up from last year.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:32 PM

37. There have been 1440 since Newtown...

Why is this so hard to believe?

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:41 PM

49. Sorry! I had misread that as "deaths" (nt)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:37 PM

42. Actually, I think it's probably people shot today.

Not everyone shot, dies.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:42 PM

50. Very few do

I had misread it as deaths. My bad.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:44 PM

52. "Very few"? 2 in five die, apparently.

I would not call those great odds.

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Response to Robb (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:45 PM

55. No, 1 in 20 or thereabouts

Will dig that up...

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Response to Recursion (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:47 PM

57. 2 in 7, my bad.

"While the ratio varies, there are an average of five nonfatal firearm injuries for every two firearm deaths."

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/resourcebook/pdf/monograph.pdf

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Response to Robb (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:48 PM

58. Remembering now: 1 in 20 is ER deaths

When people come in with gunshots. I concede the point.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:32 PM

38. I'm sure they were just at drill practice with their local militias. nt.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:46 PM

56. At a rate of 203 a day, for 365 days?

That's 74,095 a year. Which is, apparently, about "normal". (I checked; fatal, non-fatal, deliberate and accidental shootings in the USA? About seventy-five thousand per year.)

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:51 PM

59. Wow. What is the reality here? Questions, questions, questions....


Is that 203 today, or to date this year?

How many were accidents?

How many were suicides?

How many were in self-defense?

How many were cold-blooded murders?

How many were gang-related?

How many were with "assault-rifles?"

If we passed a law against assault and murder then...oh, wait, we have those laws.

Well, if we banned gun x, y or z, would the number, where ever it came from, be less?

Can we count on criminals to obey new gun laws, turning in "bad" guns, if necessary?

Will disarming law-abiding citizens do anything to the gun death rampages in Chicago or DC?

Or elsewhere?

Or anywhere?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:55 PM

62. "inquiring" must mean something new these days.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:57 PM

64. Just the number of people shot (not killed)

Brian Willams on NBC News just threw out the number. Some were fatalities and I'm sure some were other, but its just a broad number of "shootings" in a day.

They did mention that year to date, Chicago has had more than 40 murders.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:28 PM

82. "Inquiring" minds want to deflect.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:55 PM

60. FRICKING RIDICULOUS

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:59 PM

65. Here's a picture of 200-odd people doing yoga in Times Square.



Now, imagine they all got shot today.

That's a lot, friends.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:02 PM

67. Were all the armed good people slacking off again?

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Response to undeterred (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:04 PM

68. Think how high the number MIGHT have been...

...had there not been people waving their firearms at thugs threateningly in wholly unverifiable yet amazingly high numbers!

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:05 PM

69. Love me some propaganda. 75,000/yr and 300 million people

Works out to what percent of the population?

But hey, we have a 24x7x365 news station with not much to cover so let's keep hawking on guns (or whatever the shiny object people are looking at this week).

It works too. People gasp! Oh my goodness, look at those numbers. 204 people in a day is so many.

Automobiles kill 117 Americans a day and we are not even talking about injuries or general accidents (not to mention pollution which leads to diseases and such). And we regulate the hell out of cars.

One could go on and on, but people soak up news that bolsters their ideals and there are plenty of peddlers of it to help them in their bubble (see last election....).

Oh and did those 203 count people our government shot or was there any mention of the drones you and I are paying for that kill more kids and innocent people all the time? Oh.....that is not a crime because we all chip in for it and we all own those weapons together. I was wondering why the news was not all over that (or du for that matter).

Back to focusing on our citizens.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:22 PM

72. If your defense is what percentage of the US population died today,

you really need to some reflection as to what is important.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:43 PM

76. 'we regulate the hell out of cars'

Right. Now it is time to regulate the hell out of guns.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:46 PM

77. So you're cool with gun deaths. We get it.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:33 PM

83. Make that 204. Milestone just posted that some dude

Packing heat at the Indra cafe in Eugene Oregon accidentally shot himself while in the bathroom.

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