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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:57 PM

 

Why are men so angry?

We get paid more for the same work, Roman Paterfamilias never really ended, we usually don't get catcalls, and if we jog with our shirt off we aren't considered "asking to be raped."

So why are we men so angry?

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Taverner Jan 2013 OP
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Taverner Jan 2013 #29
iiibbb Jan 2013 #38
XRubicon Jan 2013 #71
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mythology Feb 2013 #123
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #65
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NoOneMan Jan 2013 #42
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reverend_tim Jan 2013 #64
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Taverner Jan 2013 #21
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reflection Jan 2013 #53
Aldo Leopold Jan 2013 #54
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klook Jan 2013 #34
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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:59 PM

1. strawman defined

 

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:00 PM

3. So you either think men are not angry, or women are not discriminated against....

 

Got it !

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Response to Taverner (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:04 PM

12. strawman #2

 

swing again

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:04 PM

13. Gibby nabba nabba hoo

 

I can make nonsensical statements too!

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Response to Taverner (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:08 PM

23. You are making up your own false claims

 

and arguing against them

Strawman defined.

I'm not going to argue about position you've assigned to me

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:14 PM

29. Wait - men getting paid more for the same work is a FALSE claim?????

 

Newsmax and Fox news aren't reliable news sources, friendo

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Response to Taverner (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:29 PM

38. you said men are angry, it is also your claim

 

inequality is only about money, and ignores individual circumstances that may be a legitimate source of anger. For instance, not all men are on the gravy train, but may get treated as though they are. Or men who are quite equitable being treated as though they are not.
Your OP is all straw.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:15 PM

71. Straw indeed. nt

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #71)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:36 PM

73. there is a saying "Remember, the only consistent feature in all of your unsatisfying relationships...

 

. .. is you.

People that spend so much time finding fault in everything and everyone are bound to succeed.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:28 AM

100. It's a straw person fallacy.

Period.

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Response to Taverner (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:32 PM

123. Yes you can.

For example the original post.

There are a lot of reasons people might be angry in this world. For example, a person might be angry because her/his spouse died, or because he/she lost his job, or her/his dog was hit by a car.

Personally I get angry when the people I work with fail to do their jobs correctly on a regular basis and I have to go back to them and ask them to provide enough information for somebody to fix it. I get angry when I see a good deed get punished. I get angry when I can't do something to the standard I expect of myself. I get angry when I see a parent abuse their kid.

None of those have anything to do with what I get paid in comparison to others, or whether I get cat calls walking down the street. But they are valid reasons for me to get angry even though I have a penis.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:05 PM

14. Agreed. This is a bullshit thread with absolutely no purpose.

I guess it's the rhetorical answer to another thread about angry feminists.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:16 PM

33. Yeah, let's just ignore feminists!

 

WWRLD?

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Response to Taverner (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:50 PM

58. Whatever. Your silly reply doesn't help your case that this is a serious thread.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:49 PM

120. Naah, it's not a Straw Man. Just a half-assed attempt to get lots of recs and a brief stay ...

on the Greatest Page.

Hell, the point can't be argued, and I completely agree with the sentiment. But the way it was approached is just ... lazy.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:00 PM

2. Our mums are to blame!

 

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Response to Ian Iam (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:05 PM

15. ha ha. that was a good un. nt

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:01 PM

4. Please see...

Sophocles's tragedy Oedipus the King.

That pretty much explains it all?

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:01 PM

5. I get yelled at if I jog with my shirt off. Just makes me even angrier.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:02 PM

6. I wasn't aware that I was.

At least about the way I'm treated by society as a whole. I think we overlook all of the good and concentrate on the bad.

I have a personal issue from my past that I am angry about, the fact that I grew up with a very abusive father. I am working through that in healthy ways with the help of a therapist.

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Response to Denninmi (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:04 PM

11. This is a sorta response to "Why are Feminists so angry?"

 

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Response to Taverner (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:07 PM

19. I see that.

Not jumping into that free for all.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:03 PM

7. good question. There is a lot of pressure on men in this society, a hell of a lot

 

to "perform". To make as much money as possible. To climb the ladder of success. To be "the man". To be the perfect superman, in a sense. Some guys can't handle it, and if they think they are falling short or failed or failing, they go crazy. Murder, suicides, shootings, violence, then follow etc etc. That said, there is No Excuse for this kind of acting out, None whatsoever.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:07 PM

20. yup. it is a challenging role for men today. that is for sure. both genders are having a real

tough time.

i think that is the more interesting issue that i am continually paying attention to and reading about and find fascinating.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:12 PM

28. ... to "perform"

Makes it sound like you're on a stage, or on camera, with an audience.

Bleah.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:16 PM

32. in a sense, a lot of men are

 

they think about the cameras as the eyes of society watching them, and judging them. But I think the same could be said for woman as well. You stumbled into a good analogy.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:51 PM

59. That's why they objectify others...cuz they objectify themselves

Just my opinion of course

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Response to quinnox (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:34 PM

42. If these conditions cause mental health issues,

 

psychosis and eventual violence, it isn't an excuse but an explanation. And there is nothing wrong with trying to understand the current state of the world; while it swings like a pendulum, it seems to be taking a wild turn in some places lately.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:28 AM

84. To be "the man"...

you have to beat the man.

?w=600&h=450




whooo!

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Response to quinnox (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:38 PM

125. How so? Half the time, their female significant others make more than them

and are taking on the most financial burden. Where is the pressure?

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:03 PM

8. Because my wife makes me take the garbage out. (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:08 PM

22. you wife makes you??? i never understood that concept that seems so prevalent. nt

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:03 PM

9. I do all of the housework and don't get any sex!!!!

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Response to sadbear (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:06 PM

17. LOL!

Good one.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:09 PM

24. you are single, right? nt

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Response to sadbear (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:06 PM

64. should have cleaned my house then

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:03 PM

10. What the hell kind of question is that?!

Oh, wait.......

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:06 PM

16. I am so angry I cannot contain my rage.

Well, not really.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:07 PM

18. You ever get a vasectomy?

and have an issue with your boys down there not getting out of the way, not working right afterwards causing you squash a ball every time you sit down?


That could make one mad

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:08 PM

21. So you're not the only one...

 

Seriously, since my Vasectomy, it's ALWAYS been sore down there

Docs response? Here - take some antibiotics (?!?!?!?!?!)

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Response to Taverner (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:10 PM

25. I need to get one scheduled, was relaying a co-worker who had it recently

He told me about it outside smoking, back to work on a Monday after having it done on Friday..

For the next couple days every once in a while I would hear "OUCH" from a few cubes down...you feel bad but it was hard not to LOL each time

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:12 PM

27. Watch your vas deferens...that's where my pain is

 

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:33 PM

40. Frozen peas are your friend (nt)

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:30 AM

86. Day after mine played 18 holes of golf carrying my own clubs

I bellyached all weekend so I could sit around without doing any work. Ate pizza rolls. Life was good.

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Response to Taverner (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:26 PM

53. Man, mine went without a hitch.

After all the horror stories I've heard, I'll thank my lucky stars. Never had the slightest bit of trouble and it was the best decision I ever made.

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Response to reflection (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:44 PM

54. Same, or, rather

it was the best decision my WIFE ever made.

Just as the doctor predicted, lots more sex, and, better yet, SPONTANEOUS sex, after the big V.

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Response to Aldo Leopold (Reply #54)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:09 PM

74. I never had an issue with frequency

but I can say that we both enjoyed it even more once the possibility of another pregnancy had been eliminated. One less thing to take of space in the back of your mind at a time when you are trying to do something very fun.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:12 PM

26. I hate vacuuming! Always gets me into a grumpy mood.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:15 PM

30. fun thread tav....

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:16 PM

31. I don't know

because none of the men I hang around with (husband, son, relatives, friends, co-workers) are not angry. At least, not often.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:20 PM

34. I'm not angry,

you lousy bastard!! You want a piece of me? I SAID, YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME??!?!?!?!11!!!?!?!1

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Response to klook (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:22 AM

82. I lulzed!



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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #82)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:42 AM

97. YOU LAUGHIN' AT ME??!11!?!1

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Response to klook (Reply #97)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:48 AM

99. ....

no of course not..why would you think that? Here, I just happen to have some fresh baked cookies. They're. ..calming. Very calming.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #99)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:33 AM

101. Hee hee, thanks Blanche!

I will now step...slowly...away...from...the...coffee!!

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Response to klook (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:53 PM

127. 1995 called, they want their keyboard and monitor back.

No wonder you're angry.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #127)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:28 AM

128. Yeah, plus nobody respects my mad COBOL skillz, and I can't find floppy disks ANYWHERE!1!!1!



Damn straight I'm angry!!1! Angry in an 8-bit sort of way, but when I get some more RAM I'll be able to get angry in 256 colors!!1!



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Response to klook (Reply #128)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:27 AM

130. That movie was a classic.

Seriously underappreciated black comedy.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:22 PM

35. Clarification

Old, White Men are Angry. Their world is chaning and they are the ones being left behind. IMHO, from an HAPPY, Old. White WOMAN.

The times they are a'changing!

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:22 PM

36. Yes, true that...

 

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:57 PM

63. Well, I'm 62, white, and happier than a pig in shit.

I've got two amazing kids, and a wife who is WAY better than I deserve!

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:48 PM

69. old men in general lose testosterone...I think that causes mood changes...seen that!

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:25 PM

37. I'd be happier if I got a few catcalls, but maybe that's just me.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:24 AM

83. heyyyyy bayyyyyyby

Okay? Better now?



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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #83)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:42 AM

89. You've made my day Blanche!

Well, at least until 4:20 this afternoon.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #89)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:28 AM

93. :o

Lolololol!


Up for company?

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #93)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:39 AM

95. Of course.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #95)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:43 AM

98. .......

See ya, then. 4:20. Sharp.


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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:30 PM

39. We aren't meant to live like this

 

We didn't evolve working a 9 to 5, surrounded by a manufactured skyline blinding us to nature's beauty. We didn't evolve swallowing poisons, dousing ourselves 16 hours a day in artificial lighting, bathing in xenoestrogens, eating grains end on end, stripped of all control of our destiny. We didn't even evolve while making it much past 35 years old probably. We're an animal and civilization is our zookeeper. Its enough to drive a man insane.

You make references to gender issues, as if the common man rules his life because his breasts aren't constantly critiqued. No, this isn't the case. While women are subjected to gross inequality, most men are also controlled and exploited by the system to benefit the elite. We are helpless. Emasculated. Powerless. Feeble. Our brains do not know what to make of it. Our plight is unique in its own right, but surely not absent since we get paid better. Frankly, we all have it a little rough during this rough patch we call "progress".

Maybe I'm projecting

On edit: I don't necessary endorse the "angry" part of the question, but rather that something is "off". There is frustration in many men. Even sadness. Cognitive dissonance. Confusion. And yes, sometimes all of this seeps to the surface as anger, or is expressed with an aggressive male tone.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:34 PM

41. I think the invention of the McRib pretty much makes up for most of that (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:39 PM

45. Haha

 

I know you're joking, but I don't think the invention of anything has really made us as satisfied as when we first came up with stone tools and spears (and really took control of our lives). Not iPods, not beds, not swiss cheese, and all that other crap we have to work a job to buy. All this shit is just here to fill a gap we are biologically yearning for that society is not fulfilling.

Blessed are the humans that have come up with philosophies to pacify such yearnings, though their actions may have fortified and unsustainable existence that could perpetuate misery through comfort by divorcing us from our nature.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:03 PM

46. No I agree, but that's capitalism. Fuck capitalism. nt

 

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Response to Taverner (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:08 PM

47. No, that's civilization. Fuck civilization

 

Prior to capitalism man was in bondage for 9K years, more or less, to the economic engine in the name of progress. Ever since we started plowing the fields and cultivating nature, the resultant system has been cultivating mankind to better fuel its growth. You cannot grow grain by letting nature have its way with a field, and you cannot grow civilization by letting man stay in touch with his nature. There is a grand schism that gnaws on the back of our skulls while we stand divorced from what we are, dependent on a system that only needs us as long as we can produce for it

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #47)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:10 PM

49. Civilization can exist without this...

 

And the way you change this is to remove authority from the picture

Flat system

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Response to Taverner (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:24 PM

51. Authority is a mouthpiece to the system's wishes and desires

 

Removing authority will still necessitate that the economic system--whose main objective is to grow infinitely and increase the velocity of energy--can express itself and evolve to accomplish its goals; it is the actual authority. In any case, the very system that enslaves man and demands his labor, while robbing him of freedom and skills he needs for dependence, remains. You cannot change this state unless you fundamentally change how we organize ourselves and how we separate ourself from nature--something currently viewed as a resource for growth.

Simply making everyone work equally for each other (requiring exploitation of labor to produce an aggregate benefit and perpetual economic growth) still makes everyone work and still spoils the earth. We need to end our concept of work as we know it. We need to end our concept of growth and progress as we know it. We need to end our conception of the natural system being a resource bucket. We cannot do these things while clinging to a system that demands we work, grow and spoil the earth (even if we figure out how to tinker its authority away so it can omnipotently express its objectives directly).

So far, all such progressive tinkering of this engine has made evolve to be a ubiquitous, energy-hungry, omni-exploiting machine hurtling us toward planetary sickness. Fortunately, such discussions are near moot because we are headed in the near future to a self-destruct point.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:04 AM

91. +1000

You know what we need? Some kind of 'fight club'...

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:37 PM

43. It's those damn voles I tells you. Thank good Cats are eating them! nt

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:38 PM

44. Why are men angry..? Why not...? Looked at this country lately...? Nucking Futz! nt

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:10 PM

48. I would like to know.

Anybody have a sensible answer?

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:16 PM

50. Who the fuck ISN'T angry? Everybody hates everybody!

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:24 PM

52. angry men are angry

i really don't think the characterization of "man = angry" generalizes well to the entire male population.

Angry men are angry, and each one will have his own set of reasons (and unreasons) for it. Some reasons may be easier for another person to comprehend than others, some easier to justify. A lot of that depends on the person striving to comprehend.

To be sure, typically male problems don't include a lot of the things that affect females, but some men might be outraged by those things as well, on behalf of women.

Furthermore, even considering the things we may count as male privilege, there are plenty of problems endemic to society which still might make both men and women angry -- lack of unionization in the workforce, destruction of the environment, corruption of the food supply by GMOs, ridiculous ARMs that contribute to a high foreclosure rate, the ridiculously high cost of modern health care, school boards dominated by creationists and/or racists, etc.

There are plenty of reasons to be upset. No reason to immediately drag manhood into it.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:25 PM

80. When a man is not angry at all

it stands out in this society. There was a man I met walking my dog in the neighborhood and talked to regularly. One day I met a woman with the same dog, his wife. And we talked about him a little bit. She told me he was her second husband and that he was a "great find" because he was "not angry". As soon as she said it I knew exactly what she meant.

Nobody wants to be around someone whose anger is improperly directed. And someone who is highly motivated to help others and make the world better without anger or self righteousness is really wonderful to be around.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:47 PM

55. Meh, mediocre OP at best.

I think most of you have misread it. The key word is "so".

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:50 PM

56. American men are angry because they're scared and don't believe in anything that comforts them

Many, that is.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:50 PM

57. Why doth the heathen rage?

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Response to ashling (Reply #57)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:59 PM

106. I don't know, but you'd rage too if ...

you had to listen to that smug little Peewee and his lunatic ravings out behind the firehouse.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:51 PM

60. +1

I see what you did there

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:53 PM

61. I don't know. Why are you so angry?

It only seems fair you go first since you started the thread.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:55 PM

62. I'm angry.

I'm pissed actually.

I'm mad that human beings do not treat each other equally on the merits of their character. Irrespective of gender/identity or race.
Definitely pissed off.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:15 PM

66. I don't think most men are so angry any more than I think women are quite so angry.

 

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:24 PM

67. You answered your own question.

"Why are men so angry?"

...BECAUSE we usually don't get catcalls, and if we jog with our shirt off we aren't considered "asking to be raped."

DUH!

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:46 PM

68. I am not angry

But your point is well taken.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:12 PM

70. I remember the old days

When DU was a moderated forum... this would have been locked with the statement, "Copycat threads are not allowed in General Discussion."

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:18 PM

72. There is no generic "men"

everyone's experience is different. The guys I know who are angry - and that would be a minority, even in my RW semi-rural semi-depressed town - are mostly angry about the decline of "traditional white male privilege". Few would put it that way at all, but that's what it boils down to.

The majority either never benefited enough to notice there is a decline, or are happy to see things move in the direction of equality.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:10 PM

75. Because you don't get catcalls?

And because you lose your head though mind you I find bald men sexy

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:12 PM

76. I love you. nt

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:13 PM

77. Hair loss is the main cause.

 

It used to be polyester pants that snagged the leg hairs. Of course, nobody was forced to wear them. But the hair loss isn't by choice.

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Response to Jack Sprat (Reply #77)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:35 AM

102. Gold Toe socks cause a lot of lower-leg hair loss also, apparently

... or so I've been told.

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Response to klook (Reply #102)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:03 PM

107. Gold Toe socks have really gone downhill.

You're lucky to get 10 "wears" out of a pair before they get a hole. Used to not be that way.

And that makes me so angry!!!!

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Response to dawg (Reply #107)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:09 PM

109. "Daddy's Boy" by Chris Elliott

with rebuttals by Bob Elliott has some hilarious Gold Toe Socks material. And lots of male anger!!1!11!



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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:15 PM

78. If MEN aren't ANGRY these days they are FOOLS..and if WOMEN aren't ANGRY..they are

the SAME!

These are terrible times for the Average American...no matter who you are or your Party Affiliation...the AMERICAN DREAM has turned to DUST...and putrid in it's doing it.

Only FOOLS would say they don't see it...and only OPERATIVES from BOTH PARTIES would CONDONE IT or PRAISE what we Americans are going through ...out here on the ground...just trying to get by ...raising families, trying to keep up with relatives and their sorrows and "just getting by while waiting and hoping for a better and more Fair and Equitable System from our ELECTED FOLKS...who seem to more and more NOT CARE about US...but about their DONORS/LOBBYISTS and HOW MUCH THEY CAN MAKE...Out of "The SYSTEM."

for what's going on.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:16 PM

79. Men are angry because

country music exists.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #79)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:52 AM

90. john denver, i was singing to take me home, country road, where i belong, west virginia

mountain mama, take me home, country road, ..... in the car driving my youngest son to school, yesterday morning.

when i was done singing, he says

i remember when i was really young and you told us if we listened to country western music you would send us to boys ranch. (a home for troubled teens in our area).

i started busting up. he was so young, like 5ish when i told the boys that. bad mom, bad. that he still remembers. lol

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:25 PM

81. I think most people are angry...

in one way or another, and it shows in their behavior in various ways. Our society seems to have lost empathy and compassion.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:28 AM

85. Anger is one of the only emotions men are allowed to have by the standards of society.

If we display any other feelings, we're branded a bunch of unmasculine wusses.

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #85)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:40 AM

96. Who cares what people think, though?

People are going to find something to nitpick about other people anyways. It's just the way people are. We would all be better off if we lived our lives the way we wanted to, and not be what we think others wanted us to be.

Also, the "wusses" thing is usually done by other men. It's part of our patriarchical, hyper-machismo culture.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:32 AM

87. Men are not "so angry" that I've noticed

Of course I avoid the true Neanderthal types, so maybe they are who you mean?

Unless you mean they are angry about how we are all being screwed by the right-wing - including the assault on women's rights. My husband is just as angry about that as I am.

Statements like this just reek of typecasting without actually doing anything to further the cause you are CLAIMING you wish to further... anytime you declare that men (as a group) or women (as a group) or atheists or Christians or blacks or whites (as a group) do something... you are engaging in stereotyping and that does NOTHING to further a conversation nor further the cause you are theoretically trying to further. In fact, it tends to make people "so angry" that you are not treating them like individuals and hanging the crimes and mistakes of others around their necks.

Every group has extremists and assholes and every group has good people... the key to making friends and allies to to figure out which is which and not treat them all as if they are assholes and extremists.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:32 AM

88. ...angry and fearful.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:14 AM

92. I don't think its anger, more contempt. n/t

 

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:31 AM

94. If you're not angry, you're not paying attention.

Why are women so complacent?

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:36 AM

103. Women. n/t

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:45 AM

104. Why are women so angry?

 

Advantage in divorce court - financially, child custody -
No one questions your woman-hood when you cry.
Checks at restaurants when dating are paid by your date (if there is to be a second one)
You get an engagement ring - he gets the bill.
If you aren't 'tall enough' the opposite sex does not ignore you.
This game goes both ways.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:46 PM

105. BPA in plastic products

who knows?

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:35 PM

108. Women keep leaving the toilet seat down.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:12 AM

110. Here you go, dispstick. This is what angry is all about.

Read this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=2299683

Your thread is all about the stupid.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #110)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:43 PM

111. Wow - you totally missed the point of my thread

 

Are YOU that stupid?

I guess so...

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Response to Taverner (Reply #111)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:50 PM

112. The only saving grace is the word dipstick was used! On edit, damn not even that good!!!

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Response to retread (Reply #112)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:21 PM

115. Thanks for really moving the discussion forward.

Damn! Not really.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #115)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:01 PM

122. Good one, dispstick.

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Response to Taverner (Reply #111)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:20 PM

114. I don't think so.

The timing of your thread was not unlike the silliness that normally is shunted off to The Lounge -- the copy-cat titles that are designed simply to poke fun.

Male anger was a straw man argument of yours, whereas the threads about feminist anger have substance.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #113)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:23 PM

117. For the record, I DO NOT press the Alert button on any posts.

That was someone with greater sensitivities.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #117)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:43 PM

118. I assumed you didn't even know about it.

I just found it interesting that one would go to another forum to insult someone like that. I thought you might find it interesting, as well.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #118)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:46 PM

119. You were correct. I knew nothing about it.

It was, indeed, interesting.

ON EDIT: I guess even Meta has its limits... though, that was not the first time I was called an asshole. (I know, you find it shocking)

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:22 PM

116. Low scores on the TMI index maybe?

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:58 PM

121. maybe you need a new set of friends

i don't know any angry men. though granted I haven't spoken with all I know today to find out if they are pissed about anything in particular at the moment. but i don't know any men I would describe as "angry" people generally. so perhaps you should just be more discriminating with regards to whom you chose to associate.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:33 PM

124. Because they can't be feminists.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:49 PM

126. This OP and article below, posted earlier by Smarmie Doofus, may provide some clues.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:31 AM

129. We men?

Question fails on it's face.

Try again, Tav. And try not to attempt to insult me via inbox before doing so, as I owned you last time. And will again.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #129)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:33 PM

132. ??

 

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:29 AM

131. I think there is a gross misconception here- it's about money, not sexism

A lot of what you perceive as sexism is merely manipulation by the powerful wealthy. It is just one of many massive wedge issue to pit women vs. men, religious vs. secular, right vs. left, etc. so that the wealthy continue to become more wealthy. The wealthy are few, and thus subject to the judgment of the less wealthy. Unless of course they can manipulate the less wealthy to be on their side, and that's where the War on Women is so useful.

"Old white men" are "angry" because mouthpieces for the moneyed elite like Rush Limbaugh and Fox News incite their anger. They present a world view where white men are losing authority and are oppressed by women and minorities. Karl Rove wrote the playbook on this. Do you think he is concerned with whether some poor woman in Arkansas gets an abortion? He sees the deaths of thousands in war as nothing but a political benefit, so I doubt he cares about the life of a fetus. It's a game to accumulate power for those like the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, the defense and oil industry magnates, etc. to keep their money and ensure it grows (even when it should shrink, they have government bailouts to insure them against any major losses.)

Am I saying there is no sexism? Of course not. But it would affect you far less or not at all without the wealthy elites (who frankly don't give a fuck about guns, gods, gays, fetuses, condoms and vaginas) who fund the media and politicians, and ultimately whose money and influence turn the "anger" of men into laws that discriminate against women. Not their women, of course, because they always have the money to evade these pesky laws to which the rest of us are subject. It's all just a way for them to get enough people on the side of the wealthy by using other wedge issues in association to keep and grow their wealth.

Without this manipulation, many of these "angry men" might realize that due to the fact that most of them aren't multimillionaires, it would benefit them to vote for Democrats rather than Republicans. And that's the important issue, not catcalls, because most women won't receive a catcall, and for most it will be a momentary annoyance, but her economic disadvantage will affect her for her entire life, and her lack of healthcare might cause her to live a shorter, more painful life.

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