Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:49 AM
ProSense (80,366 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
WaPo: Ron Paul Signed Off On Racist NewslettersWaPo: Ron Paul Signed Off On Racist Newsletters
Associates of Ron Paul are claiming that the presidential candidate signed off on his controversial newsletters in the 1990s, the Washington Post reports: But people close to Paul’s operations said he was deeply involved in the company that produced the newsletters, Ron Paul & Associates, and closely monitored its operations, signing off on articles and speaking to staff members virtually every day.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4795 Breaking!
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| ProSense | Jan 27 | OP | |
| Scuba | Jan 27 | #1 | |
| appal_jack | Jan 27 | #12 | |
| BumRushDaShow | Jan 27 | #2 | |
| karynnj | Jan 27 | #8 | |
| Nuclear Unicorn | Jan 27 | #3 | |
| Spazito | Jan 27 | #4 | |
| Tarheel_Dem | Jan 27 | #6 | |
| fishwax | Jan 27 | #7 | |
| Major Nikon | Jan 27 | #9 | |
| arcane1 | Jan 27 | #11 | |
| nxylas | Jan 27 | #16 | |
| NewJeffCT | Jan 27 | #13 | |
| rurallib | Jan 27 | #5 | |
| barbtries | Jan 27 | #10 | |
| Galraedia | Jan 27 | #19 | |
| barbtries | Jan 27 | #20 | |
| Galraedia | Jan 27 | #21 | |
| caseymoz | Jan 28 | #24 | |
| barbtries | Jan 28 | #26 | |
| bayareaboy | Jan 27 | #14 | |
| Botany | Jan 27 | #15 | |
| Galraedia | Jan 27 | #17 | |
| morningfog | Jan 27 | #18 | |
| abelenkpe | Jan 27 | #22 | |
| JHB | Jan 27 | #23 | |
| ellisonz | Jan 28 | #25 | |
| nxylas | Jan 28 | #27 | |
| ellisonz | Jan 28 | #29 | |
| FarLeftFist | Jan 28 | #34 | |
| ellisonz | Jan 28 | #36 | |
| Rex | Jan 28 | #28 | |
| nxylas | Jan 28 | #30 | |
| Rex | Jan 28 | #32 | |
| nxylas | Jan 29 | #37 | |
| BootinUp | Jan 28 | #31 | |
| ChadwickHenryWard | Jan 28 | #33 | |
| mdmc | Jan 28 | #35 |
Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:02 AM
Scuba (14,893 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. Lying, racist, greedy shitstain.
Response to Scuba (Reply #1)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:38 PM
appal_jack (1,397 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. Yup. Add 'hypocrite' to that list.
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Paul is campaigning to be the Nation's chief executive, yet he refuses to take responsibility for his actions as executive of a friggin' second-rate racist bullshit newsletter.
Fuck him, and his racist homophobic shuck & jive show. -app |
Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:05 AM
BumRushDaShow (6,901 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. Of course he did
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Last edited Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:06 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Just like last night, blurted out amongst all the audience rancor, he outright called the Community Reinvestment Act - "Affirmative Action".
The fact is that this law, as originally intended, was supposed to increase lending in under-served or un-served communities. By not offering equal opportunity, you ignore the fact that you are telling people without bootstraps to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. But the other fact is that this law was corrupted by greedy repukes like Phil Gramm (through Gramm-Bliley-Leach) to use the authority to create a junk investment "product" that milked communities dry and made money off of them. |
Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #2)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:26 AM
karynnj (44,668 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Even so, the loans given under the CRA did not have a greater failure rate
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Last edited Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:38 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) - they had a LOWER failure rate.
Here is an excellent explanation - http://www.johnkerry.com/blog/entry/community_reinvestment_act_loans_were_good_investments/ The Republicans, always trying to make any problem benefit their agenda have created a mythology that blames the meltdown on Freddie and Fannie and the community reinvestment Act. In fact, the repeal of Glass/Stegall (thanks Senator Gramm), the non regulation of derivatives and credit swaps (thanks Senator Gramm) and the change in the leverage rate in early 2004 from 1:12 to 1:44 all had more to do with creating the bubble. It is true that risky loans made it more likely that the house of cards would fall, but a steep recession could have led to the same meltdown as it could have led to same combination of foreclosures and steeply declining house values. They were betting on the combination of the rates being high enough, the percent of houses defaulting being low enough, and the remaining value in the house that the bank got being high enough that there would be a continuing positive income stream. I am sure the mathematicians in the Financial communities simulated the result varying these factors - and probably other factors that I can't think of. If the value of homes did not rapidly fall, this does not seem to fall apart - but home prices fell everywhere. |
Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:07 AM
Nuclear Unicorn (4,706 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. As with Herman Cain it's taking on a
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"none so blind as those who won't see" aire.
Paul needs to resign from public life entirely and shame on the GOP if they don't throw him out. |
Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:08 AM
Spazito (24,054 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. Anyone who actually believed he didn't sign off on those letters...
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is naive, to say the least, imo. Ron Paul is a racist, homophobic, antisemitic, misogynistic POS.
Fuck Ron Paul. |
Response to Spazito (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:22 AM
Tarheel_Dem (12,979 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. "Fuck Ron Paul."
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This should be a bumpersticker.
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Response to Spazito (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:23 AM
fishwax (22,032 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. yeah, it's laughable
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His name is in the title and all.
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Response to Spazito (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:35 AM
Major Nikon (2,359 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. He would be an even bigger shitstain if he didn't sign off on them
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Those newsletters contained his name in the title, contained his signature, and were promoted by him.
If he didn't endorse those newsletters and weren't aware of their content, that means he's a monumental idiot who lent his name and reputation to bigots. How this is somehow better than him actually endorsing those newsletters is beyond my understanding. |
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #9)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:15 PM
arcane1 (17,446 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
11. Thank you! I could not have said it better!
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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #9)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 02:32 PM
nxylas (3,980 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
16. That's why the lying was so counterproductive
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The most sensible option would be to say "Yes I wrote those things, but they were 20 or 30 years ago and I no longer believe what I wrote back then". I'm not saying that's the truth, but it would have made him look less of an idiot.
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Response to Spazito (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:32 PM
NewJeffCT (33,905 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. but, he's against the war, so it's all good
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Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:19 AM
rurallib (27,500 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. Sur-Prise!
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not
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Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:47 AM
barbtries (11,796 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
10. of course he did.
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they went out under his name. there was someone who didn't believe that? jeez.
the republican slate is a fucking JOKE. |
Response to barbtries (Reply #10)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:30 PM
Galraedia (646 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
19. You haven't met too many Paulbots have you?
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The willful ignorance of the Ron Paul supporter is more like that of a religious fanatic than a political supporter.
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Response to Galraedia (Reply #19)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:32 PM
barbtries (11,796 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
20. i don't think i've ever met even one in real life,
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which is a comfort of sorts. it has to be a cult of personality and they do have to engage in some serious denial to support that asshat.
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Response to barbtries (Reply #20)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:45 PM
Galraedia (646 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
21. Pray that you never meet one.
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If you’re bitten by a Ron Paul supporter if you don’t become one, you do become a carrier.
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Response to barbtries (Reply #10)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:31 AM
caseymoz (3,315 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. Apparently, Ron Paul didn't believe it.
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Because that was his excuse for them. "I never read them. I didn't know what was in them." I will never understand why repubs could back people with that kind of mendacious denial, and do it over and over. Paul, Cain, Gingrich, Romney. |
Response to caseymoz (Reply #24)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 06:05 AM
barbtries (11,796 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
26. me either
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i'm old school. lying is still not okay by me.
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Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:37 PM
bayareaboy (77 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. after the civil war... ...
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Why did we take back the south?
I ask that question often. |
Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 02:11 PM
Botany (33,161 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
15. Of course Ron Paul was connected to the production of the "Ron Paul Newsletter"
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In one of the articles which had to do w/ birth control or something
to do with ob/gyn issues there was a line that said something like; "As a doctor I can speak to this issue ..... " very rough quote. So not unless Ron Paul hired a ghost writer for the Ron Paul Newsletters who was a Dr. too so he has his fingerprints all over those awful w/out a doubt. Hell there is videotape from the 1990s where Paul was bragging about writing those newsletters. |
Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:13 PM
Galraedia (646 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
17. Ron Paul is a neo-confederate.
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Ron Paul criticized Lincoln for the Civil War. Apparently he has an altered view of history.
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Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:21 PM
morningfog (315 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
18. Exposure of such a lie (not to mention racism) should end his campaign.
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Of course, the cult-like obsession will continue. The Paulbots think him infallible.
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Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:29 PM
abelenkpe (4,375 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
22. Ron Paul is a bigoted hate monger
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love that it is confirmed by a former employee and supporter.
Also really loved this from the comments section: "Face it, one does not send out a news letter, over one's name, without proofreading it. Simply not believable. I also liked his comment during the debate that bringing up his age was against the law, and the questioner should be careful. This statement out of a Candidate who claims Government should not outlaw discrimination, as that is up to the individual. I guess it is different when it applies to him." Of course the rabid fanboys had to jump all over it though. Ron Paul supporters are scary! |
Response to ProSense (Original post)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 05:40 PM
JHB (14,628 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
23. Of course, but I like how he tried to say he defrauded his subscribers...
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...for years as his defense.
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Response to ProSense (Original post)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:38 AM
ellisonz (14,798 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
25. Fuck Ron Paul.
Response to ellisonz (Reply #25)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:40 PM
nxylas (3,980 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
27. OK, that was just weird
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The message was sound, but the presentation was...strange.
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Response to nxylas (Reply #27)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:01 PM
ellisonz (14,798 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
29. lol
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strange...like Ron Paul?
I can't get the word timing quite right with it. The Paulbots hate it. |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #29)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:51 PM
FarLeftFist (5,374 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
34. That's good. How do you do it?
Response to FarLeftFist (Reply #34)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 09:47 PM
ellisonz (14,798 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
36. Here you go:
Response to ProSense (Original post)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:42 PM
Rex (27,400 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
28. Ron Paul is SO busted!!!!
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I can't believe he is still in the race! Even Rick Perry had his ONE braincell tell him to 'pack it in' and go back to wasting taxpayer money in Texas. Paul has no shame.
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Response to Rex (Reply #28)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:16 PM
nxylas (3,980 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
30. When you have an entire cult telling you you're the chosen one
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It's probably hard not to believe it on some level, even thought I don't think Paul is quite the megalomaniac that Grinch is (mind you, Grinch makes anyone look humble by comparison).
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Response to nxylas (Reply #30)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:31 PM
Rex (27,400 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
32. True, I forget he is a Cult Leader.
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Grinch makes Satan look humble by comparison.
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Response to Rex (Reply #32)
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:10 PM
nxylas (3,980 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
37. His followers sure like to congratulate themselves, though
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Spotted on Facebook:
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Response to ProSense (Original post)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:29 PM
BootinUp (24,472 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
31. This was painfully obvious to anyone that made any effort
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to look at his history. Glad a major news rag decided to get off their ass and do the story.
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Response to ProSense (Original post)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:11 PM
ChadwickHenryWard (836 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
33. The article says he never believed it and just added it to drum up controversy.
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Is it better to be a racist or to just be cynically manipulative? I don't know that answer to that question.
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Response to ProSense (Original post)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:51 PM
mdmc (28,517 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore



