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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:30 PM

"girls become women by getting older, boys become men by accomplishing something"

This ossified asshole said, in public no less, on The Daily Show Monday night, as an argument against women in the military.
I just now got around to watching the show.

Wow..it is like sexism was never a concept.


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Reply "girls become women by getting older, boys become men by accomplishing something" (Original post)
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 OP
LiberalLoner Jan 2013 #1
LiberalLoner Jan 2013 #2
HappyMe Jan 2013 #3
Smilo Jan 2013 #4
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #10
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #5
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #6
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #8
Johonny Jan 2013 #13
pkdu Jan 2013 #31
smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #7
pansypoo53219 Jan 2013 #9
seabeyond Jan 2013 #11
LisaL Jan 2013 #12
seabeyond Jan 2013 #14
loose wheel Jan 2013 #15
seabeyond Jan 2013 #16
loose wheel Feb 2013 #33
Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #17
Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #18
NMDemDist2 Jan 2013 #19
Ohio Joe Jan 2013 #20
DirkGently Jan 2013 #21
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #24
seabeyond Jan 2013 #25
Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #22
arcane1 Jan 2013 #30
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #32
1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #23
markpkessinger Jan 2013 #26
Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #27
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #28
arcane1 Jan 2013 #29

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:40 PM

1. Wtf? Sheesh. War on women continues.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:41 PM

2. Gee it's not like us women have ever accomplished anything, only menfolk do that...

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:46 PM

3. Truly a jackass statement.

Aside from a stupid argument against women in the military, it's just stupid on the face of it.

Chronological age and the ability to reproduce doesn't make a person a man or woman. I know a couple of people of both sexes, well into their 30s that should still be considered boys and girls. Accomplishment has nothing to do with it either.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:50 PM

4. And this pos probably things that girls

are all women that are not grandmas.

I hate the term girls for women over the age of 18 and it grates me that I find many women doing this - why - probably because they had moronic asswipes like this professor in college.

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Response to Smilo (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:22 PM

10. Or calling women "chicks"...

which happens here even on DU...but pleased to say that when it does, a swift correction often follows.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:51 PM

5. who said this?

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:56 PM

6. author of a book against women in the military

name of Kingley Browne, who was also law clerk to U.S. Supreme Court Justice Byron White and is a professor, Wayne State University, Detroit.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:40 PM

8. well then Professor Browne is an idiot.

and thank you for the information

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:42 PM

13. was he ever in the military himself

or does he just pretend to know a lot about it.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:08 PM

31. Old.white.dude. Who has written lots of shit from perspective of old white dudes ..see below

http://faculty.law.wayne.edu/browne/Documents/Browne_Resume.pdf

Lawyer , clerk , professor.

Anti equality , in all possible ways....professional douche.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:32 PM

7. WTF?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:48 PM

9. he is admitting men have to DO something to actually grow up. age doesn't matter.

or men by bature are IMATURE! he might be right.

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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:08 PM

11. not really. takes a woman until about 40, regardless what she does. a man, at 18 i guess

if he does something.

but, even at 40 a woman hardly gets to be a woman cause that is like calling her old. you know, an insult. so they call her a lady.


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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:12 PM

12. Well I guess its a give women can't accomplish anything.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:43 PM

14. it isnt hard to decipher. he was on point for feminists, really, lol.

a womans worth is her looks. that is ALL she is expected or demanded to "accomplish". when she looses her looks as she ages, she is a woman. hence, the negative connotation (i believe unconsciously) to the word woman.

from the time a baby girl breathes her first breath, it is always about her look. look how beautiful she is, as if that is her accomplishment.

a boy on the other hand gets... look at him run, look at his energy, look at him pump that fist. the language for him is "do". it is always about what he does. his accomplishment is in what he does.

(i gained some insight here, lol, i will share at the end)

so, being a man is the goal. (as opposed to being a woman is the goal. a woman resists). the man does at a young age to gain the title.

but, what i just realized is we hear often enough. a man "can't" say he loves you, he shows you. i have often said this about my husband. that his love is in the contual stuff, little and big, that he does for me. i may not get it in words, but i certainly get it in stuff he does and it behooves me to take not.

no fuckin' wonder why men have naturally gone toward doing, as opposed to saying, to show their love. wow.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:52 PM

15. This is an old argument...

 

The thinking is that a girls proof that she is a woman is clearly demonstrated when she starts her first menstration. She is clearly an adult as she can clearly produce a child. The boy on the other hand, is held to higher standard. He is expected to produce for his woman and any children she concieves. Therefore, he has to go "face the lion" and sometimes that isn't just a metaphor.

It's an old concept. I'm not sure how well it works any more. Women use to get their menstration at 14 or later, and were married soon after, and I'm sure that doesn't work.

I also think that is why among some families you see a lot of members join the armed forces.

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Response to loose wheel (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:59 PM

16. bullshit. the perves that say, hits puberty free game, or bleed ready to breed, ONLY.

since some girls hit menstruation at 10, you will not find many rational adults saying those GIRLS are women.

what crap.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:40 AM

33. I don't disagree with you.

 

There is are lots of differences between now and, even just 100 years ago. That's why I said I'm sure that doesn't work.

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Response to loose wheel (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:00 PM

17. yep, I've heard that argument before.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:12 PM

18. In Texas, men kill things.

Deer, and other exotic and beautiful animals in other countries if they can afford to fly there.

It's very said. Men are defined by violence or the threat of violence--playing football, or shooting guns and killing things.


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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:16 PM

19. i know

i couldn't believe that chit when i heard it. i made hubby back up the dvr so i could make sure that's what i heard.

what an ass

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:23 PM

20. Which asshole said that?

Every time I think the stupid can't get any worse... Yeah, it does. I just don't even see how crap like this can come out of someones mouth by accident. Shit like this is really fucked up.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:52 PM

21. That was a gob-smacker. Dropped the remote & woke the SO because I had to


tell someone. Creepy little apple-cheeked guy with his fussy little silver beard. Gradually worked his way up from trying to sound "pragmatic," to just out-and-out woman hating.

Samantha Bee bagged him, tagged him, mounted his evil Keebler Elf looking head over the fireplace.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:25 PM

24. She did a good job, didn't she?

and he was cowed...did you see his little rodent eyes spinning?

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:27 PM

25. i know. my huby just looked at each other, jaw dropped. he really didnt say that...

we say to each other. then the outrage, lol

cant believe you woke up SO. cute.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:59 PM

22. What an ignorant statement! First, women are called girls throughout their lives.

Not just by men, but by women themselves.

"You go, girl." "I'm one of the girls." "It's girls' night out!" "The girls and I are going to the movie, Jasper," says the 80 year old woman.

Is it a big deal? It depends. It depends if you're in a business setting, how it's said, the context, who says it.

Worse than the term "girls" is "ladies." It sounds nice. But it's not really. It's a condescending term. You pay a "the little lady" a big salary, or debate her on a stage. Those are the things that "women" do. "Ladies" are delicate, feminine, and implies domesticity. Not that there's anything wrong with those things. But "lady" is not a term you call your equal or your boss.

As for "men," they don't have to do anything to be called men. Men are men throughout their lives. "My little man." "My 13 year old son is now the Man of the House, since his father left." They're also called "guys."

It was very important that during segregation and before, black men were called "boy." They never graduated to "man," no matter what they did.

So what that jerk said is just a big, fat lie. Grrrrrr.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:45 PM

30. I have noticed that too. There seems to be no female equivalent of "guy"

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:21 PM

32. "gal"

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:36 PM

23. If that were true that would be nearly no men at all

Despite false bravado most boys never accomplish a single thing of any importance what so ever in their entire lifemtimes.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:28 PM

26. I saw that . . .

. . . and nearly fell out of my chair when he said it!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:30 PM

27. I saw that. The stupid was strong with that one.

I could not believe the words coming out of that imbecile's mouth.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:31 PM

28. Sexism on steroids + "Idiocracy" on steroids! n/t

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:42 PM

29. This man is tired of "be a 'man'" and "make you a 'man'" and "real 'man'" etc

I feel fortunate that my dad didn't bother me with all that bullshit. He was a kind, understanding, and caring adult male. The end. Sayings like "be a man" are the equivalent of saying "be an asshole".

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