HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » if those three intellectu...
Introducing Discussionist: A new forum by the creators of DU

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:40 AM

if those three intellectual fartbombs are the gun lobby's best defenders of the 2nd amendment,

you 'democratic gun lover' types are in SERIOUS TROUBLE!!!

whiney wayney being "creepy" is now OFFICIAL!

that 'lady' doesn't even deserve comment.

i, a farmer, know more about the 2nd amendment than that 'lawyer'. he said 100 round drums were a 'novelty'!

guess what, so are AR-15s and any mag over 10 rounds!

AND he just made up his own version of the 2nd. who's paying that moron?

Monsieurs Kelly and Johnson looked like responsible, sensible human beings who knew what they were saying, aside from being somewhat STUNNED at times by the ginormous steaming pile or crap being spewed by the other side.

wayne looked like a turd in an expensive suit, and we all know you can't polish a turd.

cruz's 'pie chart' was a pie made of shit. actually, its the GREEN part AND the 40+% PURPLE PART being bought at gun shows.
so shut up you frigging holier-than-thou freak.

did he ACTUALLY tell Kelly that it was 'our prayers that lifted your wife'?????

the ONLY reasonable conservative was (ironically) FLAKE from ARIZONA!!! (how odd!)

the Repukes were SO transparently lobbing puffball ??s to their 'spokesidiots', and it looked AWFUL.

NINE police orgs. are PRO new AWB.

LaPukeface ACTUALLY SAID 'we want to build more jails'. really?!?! who's 'we'?
did he just admit the nra is promoting a gun free for all, to keep crime numbers UP, so the prison-industrial complex can fill beds with people they are prejudiced against?

TO THE FUCKING SENATE?!?!?!?

can't one or more of those assholes get busted for perjury? like cruz?

THE ONLY THING THAT STOPS A BAD GUY FROM GETTING A GUN IN THE FIRST PLACE IS A GOOD BACKGROUND CHECK!!!!



30 replies, 2348 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 30 replies Author Time Post
Reply if those three intellectual fartbombs are the gun lobby's best defenders of the 2nd amendment, (Original post)
farminator3000 Jan 2013 OP
geckosfeet Jan 2013 #1
jberryhill Jan 2013 #2
geckosfeet Jan 2013 #3
jberryhill Jan 2013 #7
geckosfeet Jan 2013 #13
jberryhill Jan 2013 #16
Recursion Jan 2013 #21
Recursion Jan 2013 #20
jberryhill Jan 2013 #23
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #4
Robb Jan 2013 #6
jberryhill Jan 2013 #8
Robb Jan 2013 #10
geckosfeet Jan 2013 #14
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #15
jberryhill Jan 2013 #17
jmg257 Jan 2013 #11
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #5
jberryhill Jan 2013 #9
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #12
Recursion Feb 2013 #26
farminator3000 Feb 2013 #28
Recursion Feb 2013 #29
farminator3000 Feb 2013 #30
Recursion Jan 2013 #18
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #22
farminator3000 Feb 2013 #24
Recursion Feb 2013 #25
farminator3000 Feb 2013 #27
farminator3000 Jan 2013 #19

Response to farminator3000 (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:45 AM

1. Bad guys don't submit to background checks.

They buy on the black market. Or steal.

Background checks should be mandatory for everyone else though.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to geckosfeet (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:50 AM

2. They get those guns from somewhere, though


Here's the deal. You buy a gun, you get a background check. If your gun is lost or stolen, you report it. If your gun is not lost or stolen, and turns up in the hands of someone who is ineligible to buy one, then the simple question is, how did he get it?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:31 AM

3. As I said - black market or theft

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to geckosfeet (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:02 PM

7. The entry point to the black market is the last legal purchase


...and that is where the inquiry starts.

I have no doubt there are people who legally purchase guns and sell them at a markup to persons who cannot legally purchase guns.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:42 PM

13. Theft as well

I do vehemently agree - the straw purchaser process and the dealers who enable it need to be taken to task.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to geckosfeet (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:19 PM

16. Which is why...

...thefts and loss should be required to be reported.

And a guy who has X guns "stolen" from him every other month... umm... he might need a closer look.

I've seen objections to this along the lines of "what if you don't know your gun was lost or stolen?" On that question, I have to go back to this model "responsible gun owner" and why he doesn't seem to know where his guns are. I'm no expert, but I would assume that a responsible gun owner knows where his guns are.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jberryhill (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:19 PM

21. And there should be a difference between...

...somebody breaking into his house and stealing the gun from a safe, and breaking into his car and stealing it from his passenger seat.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jberryhill (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:14 PM

20. Not always -- lots of guns are stolen from LEOs and wholesalers

But, yes, in general I think there should be some civil or criminal liability for people who make their personal guns easy to steal.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Recursion (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:29 PM

23. Hello, hello? Is this thing on?

I addressed thefts already. Hence, aside from thefts - which are generally not considered a "market" function - the entry point into the market is the last legal sale.

It's called a "thread"... one starts at the beginning of it...

Here's the deal. You buy a gun, you get a background check. If your gun is lost or stolen, you report it. If your gun is not lost or stolen, and turns up in the hands of someone who is ineligible to buy one, then the simple question is, how did he get it?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to geckosfeet (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:50 AM

4. why would they go INTO a gun show when they can avoid a background check in parking lot?

so, if you are the expert, where do these 'black market' guns all come from?

there are 500,000 or so stolen every year- nowhere NEAR the amount of those sold with no BG check (2-3 million?)

that means there are shady dealers and immoral 'private sellers' selling 1.5-2.5 MILLION guns a year.

so banning 'illegal sales' will remove 1-2 million guns from circulation (leaving the stolen ones)

is that a bad idea?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to geckosfeet (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:59 AM

6. Except what you say isn't true.

"Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html


"At the time when they committed the gun crime leading to their incarceration, only 27 percent of these gun offenders were prohibited from possessing firearms."

http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/publications/WhitePaper102512_CGPR.pdf

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Robb (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:05 PM

8. So let's not throttle down that 27%?


Is that the point?

Nothing is 100% effective. The objective is to make it more difficult for persons not qualified to purchase a gun to do so.

But if you can knock a couple of percent off of that 27%, that is what is called progress in any other context of endeavor.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jberryhill (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:10 PM

10. My point was merely that "geckosfeet" was misrepresenting the facts on stolen firearms.

Most criminals do not steal a gun to commit a crime.

I am personally in favor of nearly every restriction on firearms sales you could dream up.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Robb (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:47 PM

14. Yeah. That is not insignificant.

So background checks should be required on all purchases. I think I mentioned that.

Which leads one to ask, If someone wants to commit a crime with a legally purchased and owned firearm, how does a background check prevent it?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to geckosfeet (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:19 PM

15. a BG check doesn't do much good if its destroyed after 24 hours

if the nra would simply shut their fat greedy faces and let BGs stay in the system, the info could be used by cops.

if the nra would allow a law that had the gun's serial number on the BG check, i would suppose they could analyze a bullet that had shot someone and figure out the model, and look for the shooter that way.

if people knew the cops had the serial number of their gun, they'd probably not shoot so many people.

really!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink