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What's going on around here? Every day another anti cat thread.



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Reply What's going on around here? Every day another anti cat thread. (Original post)
CatWoman Jan 2013 OP
Ivoted Jan 2013 #1
XemaSab Jan 2013 #2
OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #17
yellowcanine Jan 2013 #27
OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #34
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #45
Aerows Jan 2013 #39
yellowcanine Jan 2013 #42
Aerows Feb 2013 #68
dgibby Jan 2013 #57
malaise Jan 2013 #62
dgibby Jan 2013 #64
malaise Jan 2013 #65
hamsterjill Feb 2013 #85
Aerows Feb 2013 #76
Aerows Feb 2013 #69
4_TN_TITANS Feb 2013 #81
Aerows Feb 2013 #82
Aerows Feb 2013 #83
Aerows Feb 2013 #70
KT2000 Jan 2013 #58
NickB79 Jan 2013 #41
yellowcanine Jan 2013 #46
OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #47
McCamy Taylor Jan 2013 #49
Aerows Feb 2013 #71
TorchTheWitch Feb 2013 #90
Texasgal Feb 2013 #95
Aerows Feb 2013 #99
grantcart Jan 2013 #66
Aerows Feb 2013 #87
devilgrrl Jan 2013 #18
Cleita Feb 2013 #84
Aerows Feb 2013 #100
Flaxbee Feb 2013 #93
OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #113
Jenoch Feb 2013 #105
LisaLynne Jan 2013 #3
hlthe2b Jan 2013 #4
CatWoman Jan 2013 #7
bullwinkle428 Jan 2013 #12
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #23
XemaSab Jan 2013 #24
seaglass Jan 2013 #26
CreekDog Feb 2013 #114
yellowcanine Jan 2013 #35
OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #115
Aerows Feb 2013 #72
Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #5
In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #6
asjr Jan 2013 #11
In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #15
2naSalit Jan 2013 #61
snooper2 Jan 2013 #8
slackmaster Jan 2013 #20
hlthe2b Jan 2013 #31
siligut Feb 2013 #91
Aerows Feb 2013 #106
OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #117
kentauros Jan 2013 #9
Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #10
get the red out Jan 2013 #13
2on2u Jan 2013 #14
SharonAnn Jan 2013 #59
Aerows Feb 2013 #77
Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #16
slackmaster Jan 2013 #19
libodem Jan 2013 #56
Oilwellian Jan 2013 #21
CatWoman Jan 2013 #28
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #44
CatWoman Feb 2013 #88
Aerows Feb 2013 #103
Aerows Feb 2013 #109
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #43
kentauros Feb 2013 #96
Aerows Feb 2013 #107
kentauros Feb 2013 #108
Aerows Feb 2013 #110
kentauros Feb 2013 #111
2naSalit Jan 2013 #63
sunwyn Jan 2013 #22
XemaSab Jan 2013 #29
slackmaster Jan 2013 #30
Aerows Feb 2013 #112
NV Whino Jan 2013 #25
RebelOne Jan 2013 #32
MNBrewer Jan 2013 #33
Bake Jan 2013 #36
bigwillq Jan 2013 #37
Aerows Feb 2013 #119
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Aerows Feb 2013 #121
bigwillq Feb 2013 #122
Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #38
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #40
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #48
LisaL Jan 2013 #50
shenmue Jan 2013 #51
PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #52
Ian David Jan 2013 #53
11 Bravo Jan 2013 #54
CatWoman Feb 2013 #89
KansDem Jan 2013 #55
G_j Jan 2013 #60
stuntcat Jan 2013 #67
Aerows Feb 2013 #78
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Feb 2013 #73
Aerows Feb 2013 #79
Octafish Feb 2013 #74
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #75
kiva Feb 2013 #80
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libdem4life Feb 2013 #98
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LeftyMom Feb 2013 #101
XemaSab Feb 2013 #104
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Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #123

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:44 AM

2. Um, I posted because a new study came out a few days ago about the massive damage

that cats do to native wildlife.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:21 AM

17. If it weren't for cats, we would be overrun by rats, mice, and other varmints to include....

....some species of wild birds. For instance, mice have a very rapid reproduction rate...one female can produce 5 to 10 litters per year of between 4 to 15 young. Predation by cats is all part of the process of natural selection.

Additionally, the new study appears to have originated with an individual in New Zealand who is calling for the total elimination of cats to protect the wild bird population in that country. Interesting approach, one that may not get much support.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:37 AM

27. Not true. Domestic cats are not needed to control rodents and are generally no good on large

rodents such as rats. And if we provide the right habitat, there are plenty of other predators out there which can control mice populations AND not harm songbird populations the way feral cats do. If you want to keep a cat, fine. But take care of it and keep it indoors.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:24 PM

34. LOL. Whatever you say. nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:01 PM

45. If it wasn't for the feral cat population at my apartments, we'd be overrun....

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:52 PM

39. Generally no good on large rodents like rats?

LOL. Please inform my cat that she isn't very good at killing rats, then, because apparently she doesn't know this.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:56 PM

42. Hence the term "generally". Doesn't rule out the exceptional cat.

There are cats who use the toilet and flush it also but generally cats do not do this. And there is no need to even get into skate boarding dogs.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:42 AM

68. Mine is extremely well-mannered in the house

where she stays most of the time. When she gets out, she seems to be able to find a mouse, a rat or a shrew anywhere in the vicinity. I've never even seen a mouse or a rat anywhere near inside of the house, but apparently, there were some lurking around outside.

Mine just happens to be extremely proud of herself when she gets them and brings them home to show me. Unless it is a mouse. Which she brings home and eats. :shudder: Nastiest thing I've ever seen.

She's not necessarily huge, though she is bigger than average. I would give a mouse or a rat about a 30 minute lifespan when she is on the prowl.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:43 PM

57. We had a feral colony at the Navy Hospital

in Charleston, SC. several years ago. The PTB decided to trap and relocate them. Within 2 weeks of their removal, we had wharf rats that were bigger than the cats that used to catch them. Within a week of the failed attempt to eradicate the rats, the feral cat colony was back. No more rats, no more problem.

Also, there was a rat problem in my neighborhood, secondary to construction in the area and disruption of habitat. My cat made it her personal mission to rid us of the rat problem. I'd find 1 to 2 dead rats on the patio , sometimes more a couple of times a week. I didn't mind her killing them, just hated that she brought them to me. Ugh!

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Response to dgibby (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:13 PM

62. I'm with you on that

We feed the feral cats in our neighborhood and they sure keep the rats away

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Response to malaise (Reply #62)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:19 PM

64. As I type this,

I have 4 feral cats in a cage in my basement. My niece is involved in a trap, neuter, release program, and these cats are here until they can be released following surgery. The weather has been too cold to let them out right now, but they'll be released asap. My cats and dogs don't even realize they're down there. Don't know what that says about their collective IQ, but things are going ok so far. The cage they're in is huge and they seem content.

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Response to dgibby (Reply #64)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:27 PM

65. We sent the kittens to the JSPCA

They spay, neuter and give them away

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Response to dgibby (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:36 PM

85. Thank you for your involvement in TNR.

It works!!!

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Response to malaise (Reply #62)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:41 PM

76. female cats

are the huntresses. It is also shown in every group of cats. Males don't give a crap and hunt out of opportunity. Female cats don't hunt to maim, they hunt to kill and bring it back home.

That isn't an opinion, that is scientific fact backed up with studies and reports. It isn't surprising that people that have primarily kept male cats don't understand this about their species.

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Response to dgibby (Reply #57)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:51 AM

69. They are so freaking proud of themselves

to be able to bring it home and show you how proficient they are. I have no idea where mine finds them, but she always brings them home as a gift on the patio. I think females are far better hunters than males. Males tend to be lazier, it's the female cats that bring in the groceries, and boy, do they ever.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #69)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:08 PM

81. I've always seen it as not so much a 'gift', but their 'contribution' or fair` share of feeding

their human families. If only I had a taste for 1/2 day old dead mole, I'd really eat like a king. I agree that the females are the breadwinners, whether it's big or little cats.

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Response to 4_TN_TITANS (Reply #81)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:24 PM

82. If I had a taste for mole, rat or mouse

I'd be situated for live with meat. My cat doesn't quit, and even though I've tried to help her stop being a destructer, it's fruitless. She is going to be a predator, and I can pretty much jump in the lake.

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Response to 4_TN_TITANS (Reply #81)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:30 PM

83. If I had a taste for half day old

moles, I'l live like a queen. Nine of them. Piled up in 30 minutes. I do not kid. My girl is relentless.

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Response to dgibby (Reply #57)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:54 AM

70. It's hilarious

to watch them camp out by a pile of wood or debris and just ... wait. They will sit there for eternity until the rodent in question comes out.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:48 PM

58. Are you kidding?

My little 7 lb cat used to catch mice, moles, rats, nutria and some other thing that was almost a big as she.
She does not go for birds.
And yes - until my cat took up residence we were over-run with mice. One climbed out of my dashboard while I was driving. My neighbor had them coming in through her heat ducts. They got into her cupboards etc.

Someone was killing cats in the neighborhood so all cats went inside. Then the mice took over. My cat was dumped here by someone and she took up residence where the food supply was plentiful - rodents, not birds.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:55 PM

41. You do realize rodents have native predators, right?

I don't recall reading about how North America was a sea of swarming mice and rats when Columbus landed, with the Native Americans begging for a few housecats for rodent control.

The native small predators on this continent (snakes, weasels, ermines, fishers, bobcats, hawks, owls, etc) did just fine maintaining a balance for millions of years without the help of domesticated housecats. Their decline in recent years is in large part due to the predation done by cats on their once numerous prey.

Remove the cats, and native species would flourish, including the predators that would stop varmint overpopulation. And I for one would love to see a more diverse, species-rich environment in my backyard rather than Mr. Whiskers pissing in my flower beds.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:07 PM

46. A point I was trying to make also. Thanks for making it better than I did.

I have used a similar argument with native pollinators vs introduced honey bees and get a lot of push back on that as well.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:44 PM

47. I think you can blame the steady decline of the population of predators you list,......

....other than cats, on the ever-increasing loss of their native habitats to farming and urban sprawl. With the decreasing population of the predators you listed, the cats have taken up the slack and still can't keep pace with the varmints.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:58 PM

49. Yeah, and they are called cats. Cats (and dogs) made it possible to create cities

with grain stores. Rats evolved to eat the food the humans leave behind--or store. So, humans started keeping carnivorous pets that would eat the rats but not the grain.

As a rat lover, I feel awful when my cat brings home a mouse, but he is doing what nature intended him to do.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:59 AM

71. large rats aren't native to the US

They were brought in on ships, like they came from most countries. There are supposedly rats the side of a large cat in the New York subway system from Africa. They aren't native. Well, neither is the domesticated cat, but they take care of any such problems handily.

Weasels and bobcats flourish in the less populated areas, and hawks fly overhead where I live. I have no idea about owls, because you won't see them unless they want to be seen. There are PLENTY of rodents to go around in suburban areas, and in more rural locations, you still see foxes and hawks flourishing. I can't vouch for ermines, because I live in the south.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #71)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:42 PM

90. foxes are all over suburbia

Most people just don't see them since they're night hunters and sleep in their dens during the day. THere's all kinds of critters roaming outside late at night in suburbia that most people haven't a clue exist in their neighborhood.

The foxes here take care of the rats and mice. Earlier in the season I had a mouse problem in the house because the foxes were hunting elsewhere for some reason. Once they came back, no mice, no rats, no snakes and unfortunately no chipmunks cause you rarely saw them and I think they're cute (they also had no interest in coming in the house or getting in peoples' trash).

I FAR prefer the foxes than the damn cat that used to live outside with the buttheads that used to live next door. No more cat piss or crap in my yard and no more dozens of dead shrews in my yard either (though why it wanted to put them in MY yard rather than her owners next door is beyond me). The buttheads moved and left the cat (they never cared about it anyway and never let it in the house no matter the weather... and keeping its food dish outside was just an invitation to all kinds of rodents to swarm). Now it lives with one of the neighbors up the street and is a happy indoor cat that's not causing a plague of problems in the neighborhood anymore. I don't miss it yowling its kitty brains loose all night outside my bedroom either. And the foxes actually EAT the critters they catch rather than leaving their vermin and parasite infested rotting corpses on peoples' door steps, porches and in their yards.

I seriously don't get why so many people that have cats think it's their right to allow their cat to roam freely causing a problem for their neighbors. I sure as hell wouldn't dream of letting my dog do that. And why in the world would they WANT their cat roaming freely to get hit by cars, eat wild critters infested with vermin and parasites or get killed by some bigger predator or stolen by some asshole? I'd NEVER subject my dog to that and don't let him eat critters that likely have some kind of vermin or parasites, seeing as I love him, am responsible for what he does and responsible for his health and wellbeing. Seems common sense to me that if you own a pet you're responsible for what it does, and you bloody well SHOULD care what your pet is subjecting your neighbors to.


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Response to TorchTheWitch (Reply #90)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:47 PM

95. I completely agree.

My Mom has a huge problem with the neighbors cats that have multiplied into a about a dozen now. They have gotten under my Mothers house and have pissed and sprayed, torn up insulation, and chewed through wires.

The piss and crap all over the yard, so my Mothers dogs now have to be taken out on leashes in a fenced back yard so that they don't eat the cat crap or worse....roll in it. UGH. It's bullshit that My Mom has to do this! She has a fenced yard and should be able to use it!

We spoke to the neighbors, called the city.. they don't care. They were finally forced to stop feeding them or face daily fines... the cats have persisted though. I've been looking at rescue groups to come and help but they are so overwhelmed that there is a waiting list!

I love cats, don't get me wrong... just had to put down my seventeen year old sweetie that was a big part of my life! She was never an outdoor cat.. ever. She was a Diva that was loved and stayed indoors all of her life which is why I think she lived that long. My dogs don't go roaming the streets uncontrolled! I love my pets and take CARE of them.

It pisses me off that there are people that just let their cats roam. Take responsibility for your animals dammit!

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Response to TorchTheWitch (Reply #90)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:51 PM

99. It sounds to me

like the cat was hoping and praying that you would adopt it. That's how I got this addition to the family. The poor girl was starving, and she just wormed her way into my heart, and now she is a mostly indoor cat that likes to curl up and sleep on the futon or in the bed You would never know that she was half feral and relying on critters for her meals if you saw her now, because she is sweet as pie.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:30 PM

66. Most of the predation is done by feral cats

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/study-shows-cats-kill-37-billion-birds-and-207-billion-mice-annually

Loss also added wild or free-ranging cats without owners, of which he estimated to be between 30 and 80 million.

"We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.4 to 3.7 billion birds and 6.9 to 20.7 billion mammals annually," the study explains.

"Unowned cats, as opposed to owned pets, cause the majority of this mortality."

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Response to grantcart (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:05 PM

87. Norweigen Rats

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All came on ships.

90% of the species.

Those are FACTS.

EDIT and you are correct. I think I replied to the wrong post, sorry if it caused confusion, GC

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:31 PM

84. Seen dogs taking out big birds and other wildlife like in your picture.

Why aren't all these articles mentioning them? The fact is cats and dogs are predators and they will hunt and kill. The practical way is to control the feral cat population like they do in my county. We have a catch and release program in my county. The cats are neutered and released back into the fields. Volunteers man feeding stations so that they get enough to eat and don't have to hunt. It also stops breeding so that the landscape isn't overrun by starving feral cats. They do their job in controlling rodent populations. Ever heard of bubonic plague?

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Response to Cleita (Reply #84)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:56 PM

100. We do catch, spay/neuter and release here, too

It works.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:17 PM

93. Blame idiotic humans who don't spay or neuter their pets -- cats are just doing what

instinct tells them to do.

If humans were responsible creatures, we wouldn't have so many ferals -- sure, there'd be some, but not the abundance we have today.

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Response to Flaxbee (Reply #93)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:28 AM

113. Yes

this is how I see it. We have feral cats because people were irresponsible and didn't spay/neuter and they get abandoned, they reproduce as they do, then all if a sudden you have huge populations of them. These cats are just being cats.

Put the blame where it belongs, the irresponsible people who allow this to happen.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:51 PM

105. That's one damn tough cat to take down a mudhen. Not a big loss.

Cats do however, kill a lot of songbirds. We once had a cat who caught and killed a flying squirrel. That was one talented cat.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:45 AM

3. LOL

But yeah, it's been mostly that one article being reposted a thousand times, isn't it?

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:46 AM

4. the issue is with feral cats, yet the last articles I have read have specified "house cats"

THAT was dumb, IMO and is why that argument will go no where. The issue isn't indoor cats, but FERAL DOMESTICATED cats. Likewise there is a major problem with feral dogs in some areas.
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/30/death_to_the_house_cat_partner/


Not to worry, though... The kitty is already out of the bag and is not about to go back in!

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:57 AM

7. awwwwww

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:05 AM

12. If it weren't for the odd eyes, I'd accuse of kidnapping!

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:54 AM

23. Yeah, blaming housecats is inappropriate.

It's the tame but indoor/outdoor (or exclusively outdoor) and the feral cats that are killing birds. NOT the ones that live safely indoors.

People need to spay/neuter, keep kitties indoors most if not all of the time, and the feral cat colony thing needs to be re-examined.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:59 AM

24. Which is why this thread is so amusing to me

It's like gun owners assuming that an attack on some guns is an attack on all guns.

I don't think asking people to keep their cats indoors is unreasonable.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:39 AM

114. It's good for the cat and good for the environment to keep the kitties indoors

they live longer, and the things that they consider "prey", including beautiful songbirds, will live longer too.

as for the varmints everyone is complaining about, there are birds of prey and other "wild" life perfectly designed and often native to take care of them.

it's funny how people who claim to love cats and the environment are offended by advice that benefits both.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:03 PM

35. But they do barf, scratch furniture and piss and poop at inappropriate places.

And fight and bully other cats and tease the dog. I know that for a fact. Plus some of them are friggin prima donnas who have to have their food "just so." And some Persians cats are evil. You can't turn your back on some of them.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:45 AM

115. Quite a broad brush don't you

think? I've had quite a few cats in my life and while on occasion they barf, I've never had one eliminate inappropriately, expect their food to be "just so", scratch the furniture or behave in any kind of evil fashion.

I will grant you, some cats have distasteful behavior, but many times that is due to their environment more than anything else and it can be changed. Watch "My Cat From Hell" some time. The guy in that show has helped a lot of cat owners change the outrageous behavior of their cats with just a few simple changes, some of which have to do with their attitudes towards their cat as cats can be very sensitive to the negativity of their owner. They can feel it many times.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:13 PM

72. Mine is fixed, lives indoors most of the time, and

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is currently probably curled up on the futon. It has taken time to gain her trust to transition her into a housecat, but she is very well-mannered.

She does like to hunt, though, and I'm not certain anything I could possibly do would break that habit. She has gotten a lot fatter, and is less inclined to hunt than she is to menace other cats coming into her "territory", but she's still a cat that learned to survive after nearly starving to death.

She is probably the sweetest cat I've ever had, and even a hint of disapproval causes her to not do whatever she did again with just a gentle "no". She won't attack the wrens building nests in the rafters because I told her no, if you can believe it.

She's just a plain tabby cat, though, so unless you knew her personality, you'd probably think her feral or mean. She's sweeter than my fluffy himalayan, and better mannered too, and the fluffy one hasn't ever set foot outside except by accident.

That's her playing with a silly toy I made for her out of an old sock .



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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:46 AM

5. On the internet, nobody can tell that you're a mouse (nt)

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:48 AM

6. Cats can be misunderstood, ya know.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:00 AM

11. Ah, this one is auditioning for "CATS" on Broadway!

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Response to asjr (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:09 AM

15. I had no idea.

I meant no disrespect to Ms. Spears.

I have several of her CDs.

And wish her success!

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Response to asjr (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:08 PM

61. Or perhaps

West Side Story?

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:57 AM

8. Because cats are FUCKING EVIL!








Or, some people are depressed that they don't have that magic thing inside them that draws animals to them?

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:46 AM

20. My old big orange neutered male cat talks a lot too

 

Sometimes he starts MAOing at some odd hour of the night. I taught him how to talk, and he sure knows how to project and take advantage of room acoustics.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:17 PM

31. Black cat says "go home, your're drunk" (great comment on the youtube page)

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:05 PM

91. Until this big orange male kitty adopted us, mr. gut didn't get along with animals

Then this bruiser of a cat just loved him up until he relented, it was so funny to watch

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Response to siligut (Reply #91)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:00 AM

106. My dad hated cats

until my fluffy Himalayan came along. Now he is her biggest advocate. She LOVES him and has started staying there. I don't think you could part the two of them with a crowbar. I don't know what it is about her, but he just adores her. I think she is pretty much his cat now, not mine LOL.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #106)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:50 AM

117. My dad

was the same way. He wasn't a huge fan if cats until my mom got a Himalayan. He bonded with her so much it shocked me. My dad is not a cryer, but when she died he cried like a baby.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:57 AM

9. We could always start some anti-Grackle threads.

Maybe someone also knows how to train cats to only hunt rodents, both the four-legged and "flying" kinds

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:06 AM

13. I was thinking the same thing

And I am technically a "dog" person.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:07 AM

14. I've been searching for the anti-cattle threads.... someone needs to start one asap.

 

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Response to 2on2u (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:57 PM

59. I love this! Also, "The Llama Song". They both crack me up.

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Response to 2on2u (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:54 PM

77. Anyone that played Diablo 2

was distinctly anti-cattle due to their vicious natures

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:10 AM

16. I have two domesticated cats, and they are so sweet and adorable. The only thing they hurt are their

rabbit-haired mouse toys.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:27 AM

19. We can only counter the anti-cat movement with MOAR KITTEHZ!

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:36 PM

56. awwww

Reminds me of the litter Bob and Ralph came from. Bob was yellow and Cadphie is a bit like the far left kitty. Yep, she's a Democrat cat.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:50 AM

21. Cat,

Here's an artistic representation of the existential crises cats suffer every day.



From my favorite Facebook kitteh:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=519033768117481&set=a.395276467159879.89194.135202846500577&type=1&theater

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:53 AM

28. where's Grumpy Cat when you need her?



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Response to CatWoman (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:00 PM

44. Hereyago

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:06 PM

88. love me some GC!!

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:43 PM

103. LOL I love her

"I had fun once." "I hated it."

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Response to CatWoman (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:16 AM

109. If this isn't a

well, hell, face, I've never seen one


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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:58 PM

43. Has anyone seen what MILLIONS of starlings do do crops?

IMPORTED starlings that ravage my bird feders so my Kitteh TV is usually turned off during the day......


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,738474,00.html

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:05 PM

96. We need to get cats and Starlings together

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Response to kentauros (Reply #96)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:06 AM

107. I'd recruit mine, but she is currently

piled up asleep. She could take care of that problem if she wasn't eating Fancy Feast and generally being loved on. Maybe she could fill in for an hour or two

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Response to Aerows (Reply #107)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:12 AM

108. My cat's an indoor only type.

Oh, he'll sneak out, but run right back in as soon as someone is seen moving around below the balcony. I think he only likes "talking" to the birdies

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Response to kentauros (Reply #108)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:24 AM

110. Oh, mine can hunt

she's female, after all. She is just lazy now that she is well fed.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #110)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:29 AM

111. Well, there ya go then! :)

I have mine on a thyroid medication, so he's getting canned food all the time now. Normally, he finishes it (half of a 5.5oz can) in about five minutes, and there goes 1.5 crushed pills!

He's still active, just inside. He is weird in that he won't kill bugs, but will sit in front of them, watching, or maybe waiting for me to do something about it

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:15 PM

63. Whoa, is that image animated?

To me it looks like it's pulsating~

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:50 AM

22. Yep cats do damage but so do most

other predators. And we all know what creature is the most destructive to wildlife - humans.

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Response to sunwyn (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:54 AM

29. The point of the article was that of all the ways humans damage native wildlife

cats are the worst.

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Response to sunwyn (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:57 AM

30. That's the elephant in the room that all the anti-cat people conveniently ignore

 

Houses and landscaping in suburban and urban environments completely alter the ecosystem. Exotic trees and shrubs may be suitable habitats for some native species, but not for all, and they are attractive to exotic animals.

Human habitation provides opportunities for animals that we regard (rightly) as vermin to thrive. Cats, and dogs to some extent, serve as valuable controls to keep rats and mice, etc. from getting completely out of hand.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:58 AM

112. But we won't talk about that

It isn't as though human being alter the landscape, no it must be the cats causing problems. Uh huh.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:13 AM

25. It's the dog people!

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:29 PM

32. I am not anti-cat, just pro-dog. n/t

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:36 PM

33. In invite all the neighborhood cats to come into my yard and kill all the house sparrows they can!

They congregate in my spirea bush in the back yard.

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=1258

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:38 PM

36. They're KILLERS, I tell ya! KILLERS!!



Bake

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:39 PM

37. I really, really dislike cats

Just awful animals.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #37)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:16 PM

119. Candidly, Why?

Why do you dislike cats so much?

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Response to Aerows (Reply #119)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:21 PM

120. I am allergic to them

And I think they are sneaky and snobby!
Too much shedding. Many cats I have encountered are attack cats who like to sneak up on you and jump and claw you.
Just nasty little buggers.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #120)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:33 PM

121. Wow

I've personally never had a cat attack me from behind, nor owned one that did that to anyone. Certainly they can flip out as any mammal can, but is this based upon an experience with one specific cat?

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Response to Aerows (Reply #121)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:39 PM

122. Several cats

We just don't get along. I'm cool with it.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:48 PM

38. I was quite happy to have my daughter and her three cats move in here temporarily

a couple of years ago because we had a vole/shrew infestation that we couldn't keep up with using our live traps. After about a week of the cats here, the voles were gone, and we haven't seen any inside since. My old cat is too old and arthritic to do much hunting these days. She goes outside sometimes in the summer, but she just lays on the poirch in the sun.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:55 PM

40. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:49 PM

48. Because an anti-cat thread amongst the daily dozen other cat-lover threads is some sort of outrage?

 

Why not just trash threads that don't idolize cats?

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:00 PM

50. Yea. It's like a war on cats all of the sudden.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:00 PM

51. What can I say? Some people are nasty.

That's about all there is.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:02 PM

52. The cat hate is easily explained...


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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:02 PM

53. A cat is a boy's best friend.

Probably some subtly NSFW language

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:05 PM

54. Ah, Hell! I'll cop to it ... I loves me some CW, but I'm definitely a dog guy.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #54)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:11 PM

89. I can't wait for Puppy Bowl on Sunday





those guys are the absolute CUTEST!!

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:28 PM

55. Time to call out...

THE WHITE SWARM!!!



That'll learn 'em!

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:59 PM

60. Been posting for weeks

about the all out slaughter of hundreds of wolves in this country. Less than a handful have shown any interest. This place is just a big bag of wind these days. I've been here for a long time. I really don't find it very compelling anymore.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:08 PM

67. It kills me

kills me for anyone to blame any species besides humans for endangering wildlife.
Yes, ALL cats and dogs need to be spayed and neutered until the populations are manageable.
Yes, our exploitation of everything on earth needs to end to have any chance at slowing down the mass-extinction we started.
And Yes, factory meat farms are a horrific full-time 24/7 shame on our entire species.

And No, none of this can be blamed on any animal except humans. To pick out another species to blame is just sad.

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Response to stuntcat (Reply #67)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:58 PM

78. Norweigen rats swam here

all by themselves. They didn't ride here on boats due to the shipping trade and set up shop. No, not at all.

Domestic cats didn't sail on ships, either, because the friendly rat was particularly benign on the population of sailors and the ports they sailed into.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:21 PM

73. Ban the cats!!!

 

Just kidding. I live in a very nice neighborhood but it actually stinks around here from all the feral cat pee when we get rain and humidity. On the plus side they keep the scorpion population down. One that teases the dogs was killed the other night by a car. I hated it teasing the dogs but I'm sad it got it got hit. I pulled over to make sure it wasn't suffering. I wish people would spay and neuter.

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Response to DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav (Reply #73)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:02 PM

79. Do you live in Florida or the Southeast?

Because they have the cat pee tree. Just saying. If it is when you get rain and humidity, that is exactly when the cat pee tree releases its "essence".

Cat piss smelling tree: Large purple draping blossoms. Beautiful to look at, smells like, well, cat piss.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:33 PM

74. THE AD-DRESSING OF CATS

You've read of several kinds of Cat,
And my opinion now is that
You should need no interpreter
to understand their character.
You now have learned enough to see
That Cats are much like you and me
And other people whome we find
Possessed of various types of mind.
For some are sane and some are mad
And some are good and some are bad
And some are better, some are worse -
But all may be described in verse.
You've seen them both at work and games,
And learnt about their proper names,
Their habits and their habitat:
But
How would you ad-dress a Cat?

So first, your memory I'll jog,
And say: A CAT IS NOT A DOG.

Now Dogs pretend they like to fight;
They often bark, more seldom bite;
But yet a Dog is, on the whole,
What you would call a simple soul.
Of course I'm not including Pekes,
And such fantastic canine freaks.
The usual Dog about the Town
Is much inclined to play the clown,
And far from showing too much pride
Is frequently undignified.
He's very easily taken in -
Just chuck him underneath the chin
Or slap his back or shake his paw,
And he will gambol and guffaw.
He's such an easy-going lout,
He'll answer any hail or shout.

Again I must remind you that
A Dog's a Dog - A CAT'S A CAT.

With Cats, some say, one rule is true:
Don't speak till you are spoken to.
Myself, I do not hold with that -
I say, you should ad-dress a Cat.
But always keep in mind that he
Resents familiarity.
I bow, and taking off my hat,
Ad-dress him in this form: O CAT!
But if he is the Cat next door,
Whom I have often met before
(He comes to see me in my flat)
I greet him with an OOPSA CAT!
I've heard them call him James Buz-James -
But we've not got so far as names.
Before a Cat will condescend
To treat you as a trusted friend,
Some little token of esteem
Is needed, like a dish of cream;
And you might now and then supply
Some caviare, or Strassburg Pie,
Some potted grouse, or salmon paste -
He's sure to have his personal taste.
(I know a Cat, who makes a habit
Of eating nothing else but rabbit,
And when he's finished, licks his paws
So's not to waste the onion sauce.)
A Cat's entitled to expect
These evidences of respect.
And so in time you reach your aim,
And finally call him by his NAME.

So this is this, and that is that:
And there's how you AD-DRESS A CAT.

--T.S. Eliot

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:35 PM

75. I think it's cute when my cat is carrying around a dead bird or mouse...

 

He holds his head up with pride and I reward him with pettings.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:17 PM

80. Been getting e-mails from a cat organization

that these stories are being pushed heavily online and have been since there was a story on 20/20 (I think) about the shrinking population of some birds. Sad that it's here too, but we've never been invulnerable against trendy hate stories.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:58 PM

86. Bullet Cat

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:10 PM

92. What's up? You sound like...






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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:20 PM

94. Wow.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:18 PM

97. The whole lot of you should knock it off and take a break in the Lounge.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:35 PM

98. So, in conclusion ... Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #98)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:12 PM

118. LOL

Pretty much

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:58 PM

101. Even if there weren't a bird issue keeping your cats inside is the best thing FOR YOUR CATS.

This shouldn't be a conflict at all.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #101)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:47 PM

104. It's not like cats ever get run over or eaten by coyotes

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:31 PM

102. I had some feral cats once. Or rather I was employed by some feral cats once.

Two of them ended up in my house close to Christmas one year. They got in through the crawl space. Imagine my surprise when a large orange cat peeked at me from my living room closet. I lured him out with some tuna. Later a big grey cat came by she wasn't as friendly. They both liked picking on my puppy though who soon learned to avoid them unless she wanted some claws upside her nose.

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:46 AM

116. Well...

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Response to CatWoman (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:47 PM

123. There was another post talking about how Pro dog GD was and the Lounge was Pro cat

I guess the lines have been drawn.

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