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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:18 AM

Is it morally acceptable to patronize a business owned by an outspoken conservative?

In your opinion. This is inspired by some comments on a post about conservative authors.

Bryant
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Reply Is it morally acceptable to patronize a business owned by an outspoken conservative? (Original post)
el_bryanto Jan 2013 OP
Recursion Jan 2013 #1
leftyohiolib Jan 2013 #18
Zorra Jan 2013 #22
Recursion Jan 2013 #23
Pryderi Jan 2013 #2
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #3
Pryderi Jan 2013 #15
CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #4
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #6
CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #10
Heidi Jan 2013 #5
rurallib Jan 2013 #14
Heidi Jan 2013 #16
Sherman A1 Jan 2013 #7
onehandle Jan 2013 #8
MindPilot Jan 2013 #9
HappyMe Jan 2013 #11
leftyohiolib Jan 2013 #21
HappyMe Jan 2013 #25
hrmjustin Jan 2013 #12
Maeve Jan 2013 #13
pipi_k Jan 2013 #17
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #19
leftyohiolib Jan 2013 #20
HappyMe Jan 2013 #26
Seeking Serenity Jan 2013 #24
dkf Jan 2013 #27
Left2Tackle Jan 2013 #46
Zorra Jan 2013 #28
Throd Jan 2013 #29
frogmarch Jan 2013 #30
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #31
frogmarch Jan 2013 #32
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #34
frogmarch Jan 2013 #35
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #36
melm00se Jan 2013 #33
Bake Jan 2013 #37
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #38
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #39
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #40
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #41
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #43
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #45
MyshkinCommaPrince Jan 2013 #42
demwing Jan 2013 #44
smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #47
LaydeeBug Jan 2013 #48
rjj621 Jan 2013 #49
Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #50
abelenkpe Jan 2013 #51

Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:22 AM

1. Sure

Political views don't guarantee anything. There are conservatives who run businesses ethically and liberals who run them unethically. The farmer I buy meat from is a total paleo, and just about the most environmentally responsible farmer I've ever met.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:22 AM

18. yes but by supporting these businesses you're supporting whichever gop senator or gongress-person

 

the owner donates money to.

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:35 AM

22. +1 nt

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:37 AM

23. I personally think the good of an ethical sustainable business outweighs the harm

of the political contributions.

(This is assuming the business is actually ethical and sustainable, which in the case I'm thinking of it is.)

YMMV, certainly, and I do take your point.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:24 AM

2. It depends on the level of derangement. My brother is a

conservative ...an 80's-90's conservative.

hmmm...actually I think that would make him a moderate democrat today.

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Response to Pryderi (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:25 AM

3. is that a mark of how far right the Democratic party has moved?

or how extreme the Republicans have become.

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:53 AM

15. Yes.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:26 AM

4. Merely conservative or outrageous RW asshole conservative?

I will never spend my money at Chik fil whatever it is called as their owner is a bigot full of hate.

Meanwhile I imagine a lot of the companies I do business with are owned by conservatives but so long as they don't rail against liberals, or the gay agenda, or tell me to pray I don't mind giving them my business.

But if there is a true liberal alternative I would prefer it.


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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:27 AM

6. Outspoken was what i intended to cover that - i don't know if you can be outspoken

without being an asshole - but they are at least open about their political philosophy.

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:33 AM

10. I kind of missed the word OUTSPOKEN

So yeah I assume you mean all the ones who tend to make asses of themselves so no it is never morally correct to do business with them.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:27 AM

5. I certainly wouldn't allow my cat to starve for lack of a liberal cat food supplier.

However, given a choice, I do try to spend my money with business people who share my values.

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Response to Heidi (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:47 AM

14. If there is a choice provided, I will take the liberal first

Often that choice isn't available. but i limit my purchases as much as i can.
i do not like the idea of my own money coming back to fight me on healthcare or social security.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:15 AM

16. Exactly.

Good morning, rurallib!

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:28 AM

7. Absolutely

You go to a business to buy goods or services, not politics.

My Auto Repair Shop is run by an extreme conservative and he is exceptionally ethical in his treatment of his customers and his workers. He is also one with whom you can at least have a discussion.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:33 AM

8. Unless you live in the woods off of twigs and berries, you patronize an outspoken conservative. nt

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:33 AM

9. Absolutely. In fact it is pretty difficult to avoid.

My financial guy is very conservative. He is also very ethical, trustworthy and a good friend.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:36 AM

11. I don't ask or even

care much about politics when it comes to local businesses.

As long as I am treated fairly, merchandise is of good quality and the prices are good I support them.

Crappy business practices know no political party.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:35 AM

21. so when papa johns and the other restaurants did the price hikes due to the aca - did you join the

 

boycott/letter campaign

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:48 AM

25. There isn't any Papa Johns here.

Yes, I did send an email. Same with that nasty chicken sandwich place.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:45 AM

12. Depends how crazy the person is.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:46 AM

13. It can be morally nuetral

I still buy from Hobby Lobby (usually when I have a coupon for 40% off and I prefer to shop Michael's or Jo-Anne's--but sometimes HL is the only place to find what I need for a project). The employees still need the jobs and they aren't responsible for the boss's idiocy.

That said, I don't buy Georgia Pacific anything (Koch brothers), I don't eat Chik-fil-A and I don't read authors whose RW politics come thru in their writing (Orson Scott Card or Patricia Cornwall, altho I liked some of their earlier works). I also don't care if Mel Gibson ever works again.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:19 AM

17. Like a few others...

I don't give a damn about someone's politics when it comes to their products or services.

If my money is supporting a RWer or Conservative, then (unless they're obsessive about hiring only people who share their values) I figure my money is also supporting their employees, many of whom must surely be Democrats.

GASP!!!! imagine that!!!

Democrats who need to support their families!

I'm well aware that there are some who would call those people traitors (or worse) for wanting to support their families even if they have to work for a Conservative.

No doubt there are many Conservatives who won't patronize a business owner who employs Democrats.

It's ridiculous and childish no matter which side is playing the game.

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Response to pipi_k (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:24 AM

19. I tend to agree - but what about the argument that the owner is taking some of the profits

and supporting candidates and positions you don't agree with - ones that are detrimental to your community and/or the nation as a whole?

Bryant

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Response to pipi_k (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:28 AM

20. by supporting these businesses you're supporting whichever gop senator or gongress-person the owner

 

donates money to. you are supporting legitimate rape - privatization of social security - racism vaginal probes - KIDS WHO DONT GET B'S AT SCHOOL DONT EAT did i leave any out? are these childish reasons?
MAYBE IT'S TIME YOU GAVE A DAMN ABOUT WHERE YOUR MONEY IS GOING

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:54 AM

26. I am not going to walk into the

women's clothing shop and ask about their politics before I start looking or buying.
Maybe I like supporting the local mom and pop businesses.

MAYBE IT ISN'T YOUR BUSINESS WHERE I SPEND MY MONEY.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:41 AM

24. Y'know

some people don't have the time, energy, wherewithal, or simple desire to allow their personal politics to inform virtually every aspect of their daily lives, including the products one chooses to purchase or where one chooses to shop.

Other people do, I suppose.

To each his own.

I'm one of the former.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:56 AM

27. When you patronize a business you are basically hiring someone to do a job for you.

 

So think about the reverse...is it okay for a conservative person who is hiring to not employ anyone who vocally supports unions?

Is that really the world you want to live in where people are hired and employed based on ideology?

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Response to dkf (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:19 PM

46. +1

+1 to this

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:57 AM

28. Don't feed the hand that bites you...

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I believe it is especially morally wrong to do so when there are reasonable alternatives. Sometimes I am pretty much compelled by necessity to support enterprises owned by conservatives.

I do it when there's no other reasonable alternative, and I hate it when I am compelled to do it, but it still makes me feel like a loser no matter what.

I suppose I could drive the 100 or 200 mile round trip to purchase the same necessity, but that presents a moral dilemma as well, of course.

Sometimes I do wait until I have other pressing business in the city to buy something I need, if the item is not an absolute crucial immediate necessity, rather than support a fascist with my business.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:03 AM

29. Looking at everything through the prism of politics makes my ass tired.

I try to avoid extremists of both ends of the political spectrum if I can.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:08 AM

30. I don't know if

it would be morally acceptable, but I wouldn't do it.

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Response to frogmarch (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:12 AM

31. Why wouldn't you do it then? Aesthetics?

I admit that if I went into a shop or restaurant with Limbaugh/Hannity on and Conservative Posters, there's a chance I wouldn't go back there. Just because it made me uncomfortable.

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:32 AM

32. Aesthetics? No.

It would be because business owners who are outspoken conservatives often help fund anti-gay and anti-choice movements and organizations.

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Response to frogmarch (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:59 AM

34. Do you believe the choice to support anti-gay or anti-choice movements to be morally neutral? nt

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:30 PM

35. I consider them immoral,

but I wouldn’t consider myself immoral for patronizing businesses that support such movements, just hypocritical.

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Response to frogmarch (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:46 PM

36. ah ok - just curious. That makes sense. nt

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:45 AM

33. The assumption

is that the "outspoken conservative" business owner contributes (monetarily) to conservative causes. Many people (on both sides of the aisle) are strongly outspoken but rarely, if ever, crack open their wallets or checkbooks to financially support their cause.

personally, I couldn't care less which side of the aisle a person (or their business) comes down on. I evaluate using (or not) a business based upon how they treat their customers and the quality of their products/services.

There are many many more factors that influence me than just politics.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:52 PM

37. All I can say is, I haven't ordered a Papa John's pizza since Papa proved to be such a douchebag

And I may NOT do so for quite a while....

Maybe he'll get the message, maybe not. Meanwhile, I'm getting great pizza from a local shop here in Louisville!

Bake

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:08 PM

38. NO

period.


Why support their shit?

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:28 PM

39. does it make a difference to you if it is a locally owned or national enterprise? nt

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:01 PM

40. I boycott LOTS of National products and companies, doesn't matter a whit to me

and lots of local ones too.


And please don't think gotcha works with me.


I boycott Home depot, ALL of the pizza companies, ALL of the eatery chains, Wal-MArt, Sam's Club, shall I go on?




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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:14 PM

41. Damn you saw right through that - i guess i'm more interested in the local ones though

I mean it's one thing to say "Sam Walton who donates millions to conservative causes doesn't need my money to do it." It's another thing, perhaps, when it's your local barber shop or auto mechanic who has Rush on when you go in.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:53 PM

43. LOTS of local business in my RED county in NJ have Rushblo and FAUX on

and I tell them I will not be back and neither will my friends.....

I am VOCALLY anti-Reich wing.


Fuck Home Depot, Darden Restaurants, all of them....

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:15 PM

45. Thus ensuring they see the error of their ways. nt

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:20 PM

42. In a town like this one...

Here in Tinyville, Kentuckiana, almost everyone seems to vote RW. Very likely any given business is run or managed by someone whose political views would trouble me greatly. Meanwhile, one still must eat and stuff. I don't eat the Papa John's pizzas these days, unless someone else has already bought them (they're popular at family gatherings). Beyond that, options for protest through selective shopping are kind of limited.

In general, though, I think situations of this sort need to be considered separately as each case comes up. Our fellow citizens, even the hateful whackadoodles, have a right to their political opinions and ideals as much as we do.

On the other hand, maybe I'm just trying to rationalize the fact that a dearth of options forces me to shop at the local Wam-Lart more frequently than I'd like.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:58 PM

44. Define "morally acceptable" /nt

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:52 PM

47. No. I will not. I live in a city and I have choices.

Period.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:54 PM

48. This is capitalism, hon. Each day we spend money, we're voting with our dollars. nt

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:09 PM

49. Sure

I care less about their personal political views than I do about the cost and quality of their product. I'm not going to someone I agree with who has in my opinion far less quality just because of their politics.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:12 PM

50. If the person has no other options, sure.

If they do have other options why not exercise them? There's no reason to pad the pockets of hate spewing jerks if we can avoid it.

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Response to el_bryanto (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:51 PM

51. If I know someone is an outspoken conservative

who supports today's version of the republican party I wouldn't patronize their business. But it's not about morals. It's because I don't want to give my hard earned cash to an asshole who supports policies that would decimate the economy, leave the elderly to starve, children uninsured, policies that deny climate change and seek to deny women the right to make their own medical decisions etc etc.

Smart businessmen keep their politics and religion to themselves. Otherwise they invite half the population to boycott their business.

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