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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:42 AM

A Message From A Woman Defending Her Babies With An AR-15

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I don't have time to talk. These multiple intruders are breaking into my house, and I want to keep my cool so I can empty round after round into them as they pop into the room from windows, air ducts, and a hole in my floor. I just want to make it clear that I need an assault rifle with a high-capacity magazine. Each one of these thugs is impossibly-muscled and hopped up on some kind of powerful street drug. Probably that zombie bath salt stuff I've been hearing about.

Excuse me. I had to execute a somersault over the buffet, give my toddler the sippy cup he dropped, and then whirl around and line up two assailants so I could kill them with one shot. My jumpsuit is torn and sweaty - and I'm very well-endowed, so this thing's almost coming off. One of the attackers leered at me, but I was able to crush his Adam's apple with a martial arts hand strike and finish him off with my katana before wasting his entire crew in the front parlor. Damn, I just cleaned that floor. Oh well. It's hard being a mother and a woman in today's America. But this AR-15 helps me do it all. It's important to help women get what they need to protect themselves and their families.

You know what would work even better? One of those prosthetic machine gun legs the chick had in the Tarantino movie. That would be awesome. I think I have the figure to pull it off, too.

Or maybe a Harry Potter wand. I could use it to zap all these dudes at once.

Or maybe a pet Manticore on a chain. Congress needs to stop regulating the Manticores I need to make my children safe.

Even cooler would be if I could make people's heads explode just by thinking about it.

I mean, as long as I am a completely fictional character - a combination of male fantasy and useful approximation of feminism for conservatives. And of course you'd need one or two women to sign on to this nonsense for the speech on TV. The same way you need to find a woman to back an extremist anti-choice position using the language of choice. Have you noticed that conservatives talking about women's issues always sound like Steve Carell's 40 year-old virgin trying to describe how a breast feels?

READ THE REST:
http://www.paulbibeau.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-message-from-woman-defending-her.html

ALSO, I updated it to add this, which I thought was important:

And in the real world the AR-15 is indeed a "light," "accurate" weapon that handles easily for engaging many targets. And most importantly, as Gayle Trotter said, it's a "scary-looking" weapon. In the middle of Gayle Trotter's delirious posturing she actually described why it's the perfect weapon for a mentally ill person to use in their awful role-playing exercise where they walk into a school and kill someone else's child. And then kill many, many more. But everyone's hoping if I sound dramatic enough, you won't think about that.

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paulbibeau Jan 2013 OP
geckosfeet Jan 2013 #1
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randome Jan 2013 #3
paulbibeau Jan 2013 #4
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randome Jan 2013 #6
chemenger Jan 2013 #22
catbyte Jan 2013 #35
BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #7
coldbeer Jan 2013 #8
paulbibeau Jan 2013 #13
iiibbb Jan 2013 #9
countingbluecars Jan 2013 #11
iiibbb Jan 2013 #50
randome Jan 2013 #53
countingbluecars Jan 2013 #54
jmg257 Jan 2013 #12
SWTORFanatic Jan 2013 #15
paulbibeau Jan 2013 #17
Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #20
randome Jan 2013 #42
paulbibeau Jan 2013 #16
paulbibeau Jan 2013 #21
Recursion Jan 2013 #23
paulbibeau Jan 2013 #38
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Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #18
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Recursion Jan 2013 #31
ewagner Jan 2013 #48
Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #65
Recursion Jan 2013 #99
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Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #104
randome Jan 2013 #40
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hack89 Jan 2013 #52
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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:07 AM

1. I love the smell of trashed nonsense threads in the morning...

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:16 AM

2. Thank you, and yes.

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:43 AM

3. Hilarious!

My daughters couldn't stop laughing!

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Response to randome (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:22 AM

4. That's exactly the reaction I'm going for, right?

Thanks a lot. Last night I was doing research on what crazy gun lady was saying, trying to construct a counter-argument. And then it hit me that I was going about it completely wrong.

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Response to paulbibeau (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:23 AM

5. When someone says they're being stalked by...

... invisible unicorns, there's no argument for that that beats pure, delicious mockery.

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Response to paulbibeau (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:24 AM

6. Awesome satire!

But what's with the gecko? Is he (I'm assuming) turning 40?

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Response to paulbibeau (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:03 AM

22. As I listened to that woman's (I didn't catch her name) testimony yesterday

I had this image come to mind of the heroic all-American mother, dressed in her red, white and blue Wonder Woman outfit, four or five kids clutching to her legs in abject terror as she's fending off five or six (I wondered why not 20 or more ... seems like that would have been a better arguement for the 33-round magazine) brutish looking home invaders with her pink AR-15, complete with a 33-round magazine, in one hand and the Second Amendment in the other.

On the plus side, Lawrence O'Donnell was masterful in the way he tore into her ... I was almost (ALMOST) embarrassed for her.

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Response to chemenger (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:45 AM

35. Or like Ralphie with his Red Ryder BB gun with a compass in the stock & this thing which tells time

defending his family huddled under the table from the creeping marauders...

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:26 AM

7. HAAAAAA! verrrrry good!

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:32 AM

8. Joe Scar just said

People defending assault weapons are stupid.

Well, that is close to his one-liner this morning.
I do not watch Morning Joe but the kitchen t.v.
is by the coffee pot.

I was caught because I recognized Lindsey Graham
on talking about the woman defending herself against
more than one crook should not have to worry about
running out of bullets!

What a dumbass ... and people vote for him! They
have to be dumber than he is.


paulbibeau post is just after morning joe began
so he could not have viewed Graham. The timing for
this thread was perfect for me!

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Response to coldbeer (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:47 AM

13. I'm glad I could be part of the synchronicity of your day.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:41 AM

11. No assault weapon needed in any of these cases. n/t

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Response to countingbluecars (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:19 AM

50. How about 4 armed attackers on one?

 

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2012/oct/02/stephens-sheriff-resident-shot-one-of-four-home/


Not a woman, but why does it need to be. An AR-15 is inherently easier to control than a shotgun or handgun; if that's what someone is comfortable shooting, that's what they should use.


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Response to iiibbb (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:24 AM

53. Has an assault weapon EVER saved lives?

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:28 AM

54. He's lucky those 4 armed attackers

didn't shoot back.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:46 AM

12. Which one of these women used an AR again? I know for a fact Nancy Lanza USED to own one. nt

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Response to SWTORFanatic (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:53 AM

17. You already did the heavy lifting for me.

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Response to SWTORFanatic (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:56 AM

20. You left out my favorite...

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:58 AM

42. Who wouldn't?

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:50 AM

16. Which one was the assault rifle again?

I forget. Could you tell me? Which self-defense case involving an assault rifle came out of the fantasy world and actually happened in real life? Because if you want a story about someone using an assault rifle to shoot a whole bunch of people in the REAL WORLD, we could totally fact-check that for you.

You want a school, or a street, or a mall? What kind of scene do you feel like?

And how exactly does a database prevent Lara Croft from defending herself?

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Response to paulbibeau (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:56 AM

21. And you are totally right about the statistics...

But you know what kind of special case the assault rifle is good for? It's good for when someone wants to walk into a crowded area and kill a large number of civilians, like kids, say, before the authorities can take him down.

And preventing that might be worth some policy changes. That's what we're going to argue anyway.

You keep making the case that planning your Wolverine camp-out is more important.

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Response to paulbibeau (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:04 AM

23. Actually handguns are "better" for that

Which is why mass shooters prefer them to assault weapons.

An AR-15 is really just as "good" as any other semi-automatic weapon for self-defense or for killing innocent people.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:51 AM

38. Somebody go tell Gayle Trotter that. She argued otherwise.

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Response to paulbibeau (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:52 AM

39. 1. She's an idiot. 2. She makes the exact same wrong argument AWB proponents do

by claiming that the finish and grip shape of a weapon have any relevance to its effectiveness.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:56 AM

41. The writers on the National Review made a similar argument...

I'm always happy to point out all the lunatics in the gun lobby.

Then the other side can point out what legislation doesn't work.

Then we can get somewhere.

Right now, I'm dealing with Red Dawn, so I don't mind making fun.

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Response to paulbibeau (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:01 AM

44. The guy who I think made the most sense was that professor who talked after Mark Kelly

Though Mark Kelly was good too.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:03 AM

46. I will check that out.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:54 AM

18. None of the cases you cited involved an assault rifle

They are not needed for home defense, as was amply demonstrated on Lawrence O'Donnell's show last night. If the NRA could document a single case of a woman defending her home with an AR-15, they would be issuing press releases around the clock.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:05 AM

24. I posted one of a man defending his home from a robber with an AR-15 yesterday

Yes, any other gun would have been just as effective, but that's true for criminal uses too. Really, when you get down to it a gun is a gun. But that argument cuts both ways.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:36 AM

29. For openers...

This thread is in regard to the nonsensical assertion that "moms need assault rifles" to protect their babies from 3, 4 or even 5 armed intruders. So try to keep up, won't you?

A gun is a gun? Really?

If a gun is a gun, then there's REALLY no need for assault rifles because I can defend my home just fine with a single-shot, bolt-action .22 long rifle. For that matter, I can defend my home just as well with a black powder musket (they way the founding fathers intended) so the rationale for having an AR-15 with a 50-round magazine is really untenable, don't you think?

The NRA needs to hire some better spokespeople.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:39 AM

31. Well, let's stick with semi-automatics

If a gun is a gun, then there's REALLY no need for assault rifles because I can defend my home just fine with a single-shot, bolt-action .22 long rifle

Well let's stick with semi-automatics (basically the default technology for the past 100 years or so).

You're right: there is REALLY no need for assault weapons, and also no point in banning them if other semi-automatics are still legal. A home defender or a mass shooter can do exactly the same things, whether he has an assault weapon or a non-assault weapon.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:15 AM

48. wow...I'm going to get flamed for this...

the only reason I can think of for owning an AR-15, or AK-47 or anything similar is for "sport shooting"...IOW just for the fun of it.

Sort of a strange analogy here....I used to won an Airplane...a Cessna 150...it's a small, two-seat, slow, forgiving trainer...BUT I ALWAYS dreamed (fantasized really) of flying a hot military jet fighter....I think guys who own guns have the same desire to shoot with the "hottest", biggest, baddest thing out there and sport shooting on a range gives them the opportunity.

In the same vein, I suspect that the so-called need for these weapons because of a)second amendment rights, b)protection from a tyrannical government, c) protection of the "women-folk" from multiple invaders and on-and-on-and-on are simple rationalizations for the sport of shooting a really powerful weapon just like the military gets to do.

Now.....

Should sport shooting be banned? I think it would be like trying to ban motorcycles or snowmobiles...but how do you keep the weapon used for sport shooting out of the hands of potential mass-shooters?

Damned if I know...

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Response to ewagner (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:05 AM

65. Here's what we can do...

Improve the system of criminal background checks to include mental health issues and to forbid the practice in some states of withholding information from the national system.

Full criminal background checks for all firearms purchases -- whether at a bricks-and-mortar sporting goods store, from an individual, or at a gun show.

Ban the sale of firearms and ammunication through the internet.

Ban the manufacture and importation of rifles with a high-capacity fixed magazine or detachable magazines. Note: Ownership and sale of existing weapons is still legal (with background check).

Require owners of designated "assault rifles" to maintain liability insurance coverage for any damages that may be caused by their weapon, either through accidental discharge or criminal use.

Ban the sale, manufacture, importation, and ownership of magazines in excess of 10 rounds.

Require local law enforcement to destroy all firearms siezed at crime scenes and/or from criminals after their existence as evidence is no longer required.

Summary: Make is increasingly difficult for anyone but a law-abiding citizen to purchase or possess a firearm. While we're doing that, the idea is to "drain the swamp" and lower the overall number of firearms in circulation.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #65)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:47 PM

99. Those are decent ideas

Ban the manufacture and importation of rifles with a high-capacity fixed magazine or detachable magazines. Note: Ownership and sale of existing weapons is still legal (with background check).

But why rifles, rather than handguns?

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #65)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:51 PM

102. Not bad ideas at all...

common sense really...

and it looks like your suggestions wouldn't disallow "assault-rifles" for sport shooting..

maybe a special license for high-powered rifles would be a good idea.

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Response to ewagner (Reply #102)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:07 PM

104. Treat them the same as fully-automatic....

except that unlike fully-automatic, I would favor still allowing sales with approproate background checks and documentation.

Legitimate shooters should have no problem with a little extra paperwork. At the end of the day, they keep their guns and their rights.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:55 AM

40. You posted a story about a man invading a home with a BB gun!

There is still no heart-warming story about lives being saved with assault weapons. None.

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Response to randome (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:59 AM

43. I don't know that any gun use is "heartwarming"

I don't feel like digging through more gun sites, because you'll move the goalposts again when I dredge up another story. People who own guns do occasionally defend their homes with them. This isn't really something that can be realistically denied. A guy stopped an armed intruder ("It was a BB gun!!" "And he was supposed to know that how?") without hurting anybody, using an AR-15. People who own guns also die and kill by accidents, though that's much more often handguns, so we could probably save a lot of lives by getting handgun owners to upgrade to AR-15's instead.

Let me ask you: what makes an AR-15 unsuited for defending your home, as opposed to some other semi-automatic?

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Response to Recursion (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:03 AM

45. No one is trying to leave people defenseless.

An AR-15 is 100% unsuited for home defense because it can easily be appropriated by a mass murderer to kill children.

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Response to randome (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:21 AM

52. The same can be said about mass killers and handguns

lets not forget Va Tech. Sandy Hook would have had the same result if the shooter had used his pistols instead of his rifle.

Yet the handgun is very well suited for home defense.

That is why the fixation on rifles is so frustrating - handguns are the real killers.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:35 AM

56. No, a pistol would not have killed so many people in so short a time.

Someone might have been able to stop him as he reloaded or even as he shot someone else. An assault weapon, on the other hand, kills a great number of people quickly. With all the back-and-forth on gun issues, the base issue is that we don't want a repeat of Sandy Hook.

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Response to randome (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:39 AM

59. A pistol killed *more* people at Virginia Tech in the same time period

And these were adults (well, college students), not 6 year olds.

I hate to keep beating this horse, but if you think the AR-15 fires more bullets more quickly than any other gun made in the past 100 years, this is a factual mistake on your part.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:40 AM

60. It's easier to kill a greater number of people in a short time frame with assault weapons.

We are not trying to 'cure' the carnage, just lessen it.

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Response to randome (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:42 AM

62. No, it's really not.

Seriously, this is just a question of fact, and you're not right about that.

Any semi-automatic with detachable magazines can be fired just as quickly as any other. Period. There's no way around this.

Cho at Virginia Tech killed more people than Lanza in the same amount of time, using handguns with (a lot of) standard magazines.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #62)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:15 AM

67. It took the Virginia Tech shooter more than 2 hours to kill those people.

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Response to randome (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:16 AM

68. Nope. Cho's rampage was about 9 minutes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre_timeline#2007

The 33 didn't include the 2 he killed two hours before.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:21 AM

73. Fine. Some handguns are as good for mass murder as assault weapons.

Then we don't need assault weapons. For any purpose.

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Response to randome (Reply #73)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:23 AM

74. I've said nobody "needs" an AR-15

I just don't see the point in getting rid of them, either.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #74)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:29 AM

79. Not needing to reload is an advantage when committing mass murder.

As I pointed out elsewhere, the magazine might be dropped. It might get caught in the shooter's belt clip or whatever. He may have grabbed the wrong magazine. It might jam. All openings to stop the shooter that would not occur with an AR-15.

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Response to randome (Reply #79)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:31 AM

82. You know an AR-15 has magazines too, right?

If you want to say the detachable magazines that get sold should have a legal size limit, I'm with you, but that doesn't have anything to do with the weapons that accept them. They aren't even made by the same manufacturer, generally. But Cho killed 33 people in 10 minutes with standard-sized magazines, too, so that's not really a panacea.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #82)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:52 AM

94. The odds of stopping someone who needs to reload frequently are better.

And Cho was roaming a dormitory, not in a confined space as Lanza was. The school was found culpable for not issuing warnings timely or with sufficient urgency so there were additional circumstances that allowed Cho to reach his high mark.

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Response to randome (Reply #94)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:28 PM

98. Your point is valid but it has nothing to do with the AR-15:

The odds of stopping someone who needs to reload frequently are better.

Agreed. The AR-15 does not need to be reloaded more or less frequently than other semi-automatics.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:31 AM

80. Thank God for Seung-Hui Cho

Because without him (whose name you invoke like clockwork) you might have to admit that maybe assault rifles could be a public safety issue. But since Cho was kind enough to use handguns, you can always fall back on him.

Half of the twelve deadlines mass shootings in the country's history were carried out using assault rifles. It would be obtuse beyond belief to claim that assault rifles to not pose a serious threat to public safety.

But I know you're going there, anyway.


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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #80)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:33 AM

85. Rifles are used for mass shootings more often than they are for other types of crimes, I agree

But the majority is still handguns.

you might have to admit that maybe assault rifles could be a public safety issue

Handguns are definitely a public safety issue. Rifles? No, not really.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #85)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:37 AM

87. I knew I could count on you (nt)

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #80)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:46 PM

106. There are other large body-count rampage killers who used only handguns.

For example, there was the Luby's killer and the Ft. Hood killer. Both used handguns and both reloaded by switching magazines.

A magazine swap with a handgun is faster than a mag swap in an AR or AK.

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Response to randome (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:43 AM

63. The Va Tech shooter killed 32 people with handguns

a handgun has the same rate of fire as a rifle. A handgun holds 15 rounds and can be reloaded in a couple of seconds.

The Sandy Hook shooter reloaded multiple times - he didn't empty every magazine. Nobody stopped him.

Lanza stopped shooting between 9:46 a.m. and 9:49 a.m., after firing 50 to 100 rounds. He reloaded frequently during the shooting, sometimes firing only fifteen rounds from a thirty round magazine


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting

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Response to hack89 (Reply #63)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:26 AM

76. And if he dropped his extra magazine while trying to reload it?

Of course it's easier to use a fully automatic weapon instead of a semi-automatic. There are all sorts of possibilities that might occur to stop the shooter. He might drop the magazine. He might have grabbed the wrong magazine. It might jam.

To say that a perfectly flawless shooter with a handgun is the same as a mass murderer with a fully automatic weapon who doesn't need to reload is ridiculous.

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Response to randome (Reply #76)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:29 AM

78. Why are you talking about automatic weapons?

there were no automatic weapons at Sandy Hook.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #78)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:32 AM

83. I got my terms mixed up. Assault weapons, then.

Like the Bushmaster with a 30 clip magazine.

My point remains: a greater capacity weapon not needing to be reloaded is obviously an advantage when it comes to mass murder.

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Response to randome (Reply #83)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:36 AM

86. Why do you gloss over the Va Tech shootings?

32 dead with handguns. That were reloaded multiple times. How can you say that handguns are not as deadly as rifles when the facts are staring you right in the face?

Sandy Hook would have had the same result with handguns. I just showed you that he reloaded several times and they found half empty magazines so you can't even argue that 30 round mags were an issue.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #86)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:40 AM

88. How can you deny the obvious?

Needing to reload frequently clearly offers more opportunities to stop the shooter. If an adult was still among the living while Lanza was reloading -or if he dropped his magazine- he or she might have stopped him right then.

In addition, Cho was not in a confined place as Lanza was. And of course the school itself was found culpable for not issuing warnings timely or sufficiently so there are additional circumstances that allowed Cho to kill his victims.

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Response to randome (Reply #88)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:44 AM

89. But that didn't happen at Sandy Hook or Va Tech

Is a pretty weak argument when it doesn't apply to the two largest school shootings in American history.

Handguns kill many more people in America than rifles. It is pure security theater if you ignore handguns. The number of dead don't lie.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #89)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:45 AM

90. I updated my post after you posted yours.

Cho was not in a confined place. The university was found culpable for not taking emergency measures in time.

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Response to randome (Reply #90)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:47 AM

91. And the Sandy Hook shooter reloaded several times

yet no one was able to jump him and stop the slaughter.

Handguns are the real killers. Look at the numbers.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #89)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:48 AM

92. We can't ignore handguns. We can't ban those. I recognize that.

But we CAN do something to lessen the chance that high-capacity magazines will be used for mass murder.

And as I already pointed out, the odds of something happening to prevent a shooter from reloading are greater than if he possesses an assault weapon with a high-capacity magazine. It may not have occurred at Sandy Hook but you have to admit, the odds are better at stopping a shooter if he needs to reload frequently.

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Response to randome (Reply #92)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:51 AM

93. I have no problem with a magazine size limit

but you need to understand that any such law will not be retroactive so there will be hundreds of millions of high capacity magazines in public hands.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #93)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:57 AM

95. Of course. And as you pointed out, mass murder can still occur.

There is no perfect solution. But banning assault weapons and high-capacity clips would be my choice for a step in the right direction. I doubt that both can get through Congress. Probably a renewal of the assault weapons ban.

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Response to randome (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:35 AM

55. So can any semi-automatic

Would you feel better about Sandy Hook if the kids had been killed by handguns like at Virginia Tech? Or if they had been killed with an equally-capable ban compliant rifle that became ban compliant by being sold under a different name than "Bushmaster" and having a differently shaped grip?

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Response to Recursion (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:37 AM

58. As I said, we don't want a repeat of Sandy Hook. That's the base issue.

Handguns and even semi-automatics do not kill as great a number of people in as short a time frame so they are 'safer' for everyone, gun owners and thieves who steal them alike.

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Response to randome (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:41 AM

61. This is simply false

Handguns and even semi-automatics do not kill as great a number of people in as short a time frame

This is simply not true. You are mistaken here. I can understand why you would want to ban the AR-15 if that were true.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:16 AM

69. Why do the Navy SEALS use the M4?

I mean, if a Sig Sauer could do the job equally well, why carry around all that extra weight? Come to think of it, is there any infantry unit that goes into combat armed with only handguns, or do they pretty much all carry assault weapons?



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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:18 AM

71. Longer-range accuracy, which has not been a factor in any mass shooting since that guy in Texas

If the military could get a weapon with the form factor of a pistol and the longer-range accuracy of a carbine, they would use it.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #71)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:19 AM

72. You're earning it today (nt)

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:20 AM

51. Well... here's two

 

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2012/oct/02/stephens-sheriff-resident-shot-one-of-four-home/


Not a woman, but why does it need to be? An AR-15 is inherently easier to control than a shotgun or handgun; if that's what someone is comfortable shooting, that's what they should use.

Also

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:38 AM

10. You're not a fictional character!

You're Sigourney Weaver PLAYING a fictional character. So you get half credit.

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:47 AM

14. Cudos - very good! nt

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:56 AM

19. Aha! And so here is where the video game connection comes in!

Your description sounds just like one! LOL thanks for the laugh.

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:11 AM

25. Like a scene from Kill Bill:the comedy

Maybe Trotter fantasizes about being Uma Thurman...

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:17 AM

26. Thank you for the best read of the week...

I thank you, but my computer screen does not enjoy the coffee all over it!

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:30 AM

27. Simply Beautiful, Sir

"There is nothing wrong with an active fantasy life, but it should not be the basis for law regarding deadly force."

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:31 AM

28. spear and magic helmet!

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Response to phantom power (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:38 AM

30. I use that line all the time...

It's like a Tourette's thing with me. Every now and again I have the uncontrollable urge to belt out, "Spear and Magic Helmet" in my best Elmer Fudd voice.

My kids think I'm insane.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:41 AM

32. If it helps, you can tell them you aren't the only one

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Response to phantom power (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:08 AM

66. I would say we need a recovery group...

but I'm not sure I want to recover.



You're welcome...

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:17 AM

70. if loving those old looney tunes is wrong, I don't wanna be right

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Response to phantom power (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:31 AM

81. Magic helmet?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:51 PM

101. Yes please give this family a cookie or two

Because guns just don't go over that well at the PTA bake sale.

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Response to ileus (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:49 AM

37. that's heartwarming, thank you for sharing that inspiring story.

so if she's such a good shot, with 2 good guns, 20 rounds should be plenty, right?

i hope so!

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Response to ileus (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:44 AM

64. Does Your Wife Think It's "Scary Looking" As Well?


Helpful Hint: when a spokesman starts using your own insult phrases to support your position, it's time to get a new spokesman.....

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:44 AM

34. /shout, 'WANT to sell driveway deathray, keep lost people off YOUR driveway, PST'

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:12 AM

47. Awesome! A standing ovation for you! Will you allow me to send your

blog to my Teabagger Representative?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #47)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:02 PM

96. OH Lord that would make me so happy.

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Response to paulbibeau (Reply #96)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:09 PM

97. Thanks. Sent it out to Rep. Steve Womack.

Last edited Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:44 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:17 AM

49. Why does it have to be a woman/mother?

 

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2012/oct/02/stephens-sheriff-resident-shot-one-of-four-home/


AR-15 is inherently easier to control than a shotgun or handgun. If that's what a woman/mother wants to choose, far be it from me to tell her she should use something she's not comfortable with.

here's a boy who used one.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:26 AM

75. Here's a story about a son who used his mom's...

"But authorities have said the gunman, her 20-year-old son Adam, used the guns she kept at their home to carry out a massacre that became the second-deadliest school shooting in U.S. history and has stirred lawmakers to call for gun control laws."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/nancy-lanza-newtown-memorial_n_2344910.html

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:32 AM

84. Wow, could you possibly post that one more time??

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:24 PM

105. Stop spamming the thread with that video.

Learn some netiquette.

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:36 AM

57. rec!

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Response to paulbibeau (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:27 AM

77. You inspired me...


For you: Hope you like it

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Response to Mother Of Four (Reply #77)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:41 PM

100. I'm weeping with joy.

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Response to Mother Of Four (Reply #77)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 02:05 PM

103. The version in my head had more daisies on it. nt

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