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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 03:42 AM

Why yes, New York cops DO support gun control- just not *quite* the way you think they do...

The cops in this case would be the New York State Sheriffs' Association:

http://www.nysheriffs.org/

Sheriffs’ Response to NY SAFE Act

Following passage of the SAFE Act by the State Legislature and approval by the Governor, the Sheriffs now have had the opportunity to review the language of the new law and wish to make our comments available. The Sheriffs of New York state support many of the provisions of the SAFE Act, and believe that they will enhance public safety and help to shield citizens from gun violence. However, there are also some parts of this new law that need clarification, and some that we think should be reconsidered and modified to meet the concerns of the law enforcement community and the public at large.

We have identified the following six provisions of the new law which we believe are helpful and will increase the safety of our citizens. These include:


Continued here:


http://www.nysheriffs.org/articles/sheriffs%E2%80%99-response-ny-safe-act

After detailng the parts they do like, they discuss what they do not, among which are:

•Assault weapon ban and definition of assault weapons. We believe that the new definition of assault weapons is too broad, and prevents the possession of many weapons that are legitimately used for hunting, target shooting and self defense. Classifying firearms as assault weapons because of one arbitrary feature effectively deprives people the right to possess firearms which have never before been designated as assault weapons. We are convinced that only law abiding gun owners will be affected by these new provisions, while criminals will still have and use whatever weapons they want....

• Reduction of ammunition magazine capacity. The new law enacts reductions in the maximum capacity of gun magazines. We believe based on our years of law enforcement experience that this will not reduce gun violence. The new law will unfairly limit the ability of law‐abiding citizens to purchase firearms in New York. It bears repeating that it is our belief that the reduction of magazine capacity will not make New Yorkers or our communities safer.


•Five-year recertification of pistol permit status and registration of existing assault weapons. The new law delegates to the State Police the duty to solicit and receive updated personal information of permit holders every five years in order to maintain these permits. Further, the law requires owners of certain existing firearms now classified as assault weapons to register these with the State Police within one year. The recertification and registration conflict with Sheriffs’ duties regarding issuance of pistol permits. All records should be maintained at the local, and not the state level. This information should be accessible to those who are responsible for initial investigation of permit applications. Pistol permit information should be maintained in one file at the local level, and forwarded to a statewide database for law enforcement use. It bears repeating that it is our belief that pistol permit and any registration information required by the law should be confidential and protected from FOIL disclosure.


Once again, the impulse to 'do something NOW, dammit!' has led lawmakers astray. I wonder, what's
the over/under on when anti-rural bigotry pops up in a post?






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Reply Why yes, New York cops DO support gun control- just not *quite* the way you think they do... (Original post)
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 OP
graham4anything Jan 2013 #1
BlackhawkPaul Jan 2013 #2
Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #3
CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #4
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #6
TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #13
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #5
Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #8
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #9
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #10
Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #11
friendly_iconoclast Feb 2013 #12
Robb Jan 2013 #7

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:08 AM

1. Who cares what they think, I didn't know we need their permission

 

btw, specifically who are these people speaking for.

and what locations in the state

how many
where are they

or is this just a fancy named pac sponsored by the NRA?

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:53 AM

2. Graham- The Sheriff's Association is not an NRA Group

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Response to BlackhawkPaul (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 06:54 AM

3. Nor are they exactly "cops".

So the op's headline is a bit on the bullshitty side.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:28 AM

4. it is a gunlover post of course it's bullshit

that is about all they got any more. Bullshit.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:18 PM

6. Protip: "I don't want to acknowledge what was posted" =/= "It's bullshit"

Y'all get so upset when things don't go your way. In a way, it's almost adorable...

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:19 PM

13. What do you have but dick jokes, lame shaming techniques out of "Heathers" or something,

willful ignorance, general gnashing of teeth, silly accusations, creative definitions, and emotional appeals?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:15 PM

5. They are the chief law enforcement officers in their various counties-IOW, they are indeed cops

And I quote from their site

http://www.nysheriffs.org/who-we-are

... to cooperate with other police agencies and public officers in efforts to improve the prevention, detection and prosecution of crimes and the punishment of criminals; and to educate member Sheriffs, their staff and members of the general public in all the areas of Sheriffs’ duties, all so the public might be well served by the Sheriffs of New York State.

Since the Sheriff is a county officer, there is no responsibility on the State to train, educate or update Sheriffs in the very complex operations of a Sheriff’s Office, which typically may include duties in criminal law enforcement, traffic patrol, emergency rescue operations, homeland security programs, SWAT operations, civil emergency and disaster response programs, jail operations, correctional alternative management, courtroom security, and civil litigation process. Obviously, it would not be practical for each county separately to conduct its own extensive training programs in all these areas of responsibility for just one Sheriff. The Sheriffs’ Association has assumed the considerable burden of designing and implementing training programs for Sheriffs and their Undersheriffs, Law Enforcement Supervisors, Jail Managers, Civil Deputy Sheriffs and Correctional Officers.


Gee, sounds distinctly coplike to me.

A protip, Warren: "I don't want to acknowledge the veracity of what I just read/was told" is not
synonymous with "bullshit". Glad we could get that straightened out. Don't you feel better now?

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:23 AM

8. Are "protips" new gun lover pet words?

But I'm totally convinced that "sheriffs" are not only real cops, they are SUPER COPS all involved with swats and courtroom security and everything. Why even their own PR description says so. Totally convinced. No bullshit in your op at all.

Thanks again for the "protips".

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:08 PM

9. Get your eyes/text-to-speech software checked, Warren.

That 'criminal law enforcement' bit seems to have escaped you...

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:23 PM

10. That would be news in many counties in NY State.

Maybe you could show us some criminal charges dismissed because the alleged perp was falsely
arrested by one of these 'not exactly cops' you speak of...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:27 PM

11. yeah, generally the ones without many people.

In the populated urban areas, not so much.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:00 PM

12. Even "(i)n the populated urban areas", rifles are rarely used in crime...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:20 PM

7. I remember those guys. Boy, did they have it in for Ice T.

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