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Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:26 PM

If you don't wish to see Hillary Clinton as POTUS.......

"I" was kind of ignorant in replying to a post asking if we want Hillary for POTUS. Many love her, and there are good reasons why they should. Sorry.

If my neighbors are anything like the general public she doesn't stand a chance. Reps don't like her or Teddy Kennedy. Even dead, they still remember Chappaquiddick.

If one of my favorites doesn't run, I will vote for her. She's better than any Republican even if she and Bill "seem" to be moderates.

I am going to stay out of pro-Hillary threads out of respect for those are.

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Reply If you don't wish to see Hillary Clinton as POTUS....... (Original post)
fadedrose Jan 2013 OP
monmouth3 Jan 2013 #1
fadedrose Jan 2013 #3
monmouth3 Jan 2013 #5
Skittles Jan 2013 #2
fadedrose Jan 2013 #6
JoePhilly Jan 2013 #10
Rider3 Jan 2013 #4
Skittles Jan 2013 #7
fadedrose Jan 2013 #14
Skittles Jan 2013 #16
fadedrose Jan 2013 #19
Skittles Jan 2013 #20
Beacool Jan 2013 #32
fadedrose Jan 2013 #8
oldhippie Jan 2013 #9
rjj621 Jan 2013 #11
FarCenter Jan 2013 #12
Bake Jan 2013 #13
FarCenter Jan 2013 #15
deurbano Jan 2013 #17
FarCenter Jan 2013 #18
deurbano Jan 2013 #30
fadedrose Jan 2013 #43
Bucky Jan 2013 #21
fadedrose Jan 2013 #23
Bucky Jan 2013 #24
fadedrose Jan 2013 #36
fadedrose Jan 2013 #22
Bucky Jan 2013 #25
fadedrose Jan 2013 #34
gateley Jan 2013 #28
fadedrose Jan 2013 #35
Beacool Jan 2013 #33
fadedrose Jan 2013 #38
Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #40
fadedrose Jan 2013 #41
NoOneMan Jan 2013 #26
fadedrose Jan 2013 #39
immoderate Jan 2013 #27
customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #29
fadedrose Jan 2013 #37
Raine Jan 2013 #31
bigwillq Jan 2013 #42
winter is coming Jan 2013 #44

Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:28 PM

1. I'm thinking it's just too early to speculate. So much can occur before we concern ourselves

with this. I love Hillary also but it will be interesting to see if we have another Barack Obama waiting in the wings..

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Response to monmouth3 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:31 PM

3. You want the Reps to commmit mass suicide or what???

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:32 PM

5. That would be a wonderful bonus...Bwahahaha...n/t

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:31 PM

2. rightwing assholes are desperately trying to make Benghazi Hillary's Chappaquiddick

but from what I can tell, only rightwing assholes believe that bullshit

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Response to Skittles (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:33 PM

6. I don't know what the bullshit is, tell me if you do.

All's I know is I watched the House and Senate hearings for 5 or 6 hours each, and CBS 60 minutes, and I'll be damned if I know what happened...who got the emails, who did they tell...but WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:45 PM

10. 4 Americans were killed in a dangerous part of the world.

The GOP had hoped those deaths could be turned into a political weapon to prevent Obama's re-election. They forgot that 3000 Americans died while Bush was in his first term and he got re-elected.

The GOP can not explain the political advantage Obama would get by lying about what happened. But they will use the fog of war that surrounds it to attack a sitting President during a time where we have troops deployed ... something they saw as treason just a few years ago.

Bottom line: 4 Americans died in a dangerous pert of the world, and we need to figure out how we might prevent the same thing happening again in the future. Not that the GOP cares.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:31 PM

4. Yes, pro-Hillary!

I'm with you, fadedrose. The woman is brilliant. The GOP is afraid of her, and they should be.

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Response to Rider3 (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:35 PM

7. to me it would be the ultimate in-your-face coup de grace to the GOP

NOTHING gets them foaming at the mouth more than Hillary - NOTHING

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Response to Skittles (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:00 PM

14. She's the biggest gift we could give them..

And they won't say a even a word to criticize her because they'll want to give her the nomination. They don't see her as the goddess figure Dems do...

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:22 PM

16. um

they wouldn't say a word? in what kind of fantasy land do you live?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:35 PM

19. Not till after the primaries.....

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:37 PM

20. LOL

OK

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:14 PM

32. Please...........

Hillary would kick their backsides just like she did last week. She is the one candidate they do fear.

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Response to Rider3 (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:35 PM

8. I meant that remark if another surprise! Obama showed up...

she is brilliant, but there's a lot of baggage for an older lady to carry. The future is one thing, but the past remains the past.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:41 PM

9. I'd vote for her ....

 

Bright, energetic, competent and experienced. Pragmatic but with core values.

The Pubbies don't have anyone that could match her.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:53 PM

11. Much too early

for me to lend any serious consideration to the next presidential election but it's highly unlikely I would vote for Hillary in the primary unless the selection was simply awful.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:57 PM

12. In 2016 she'll be 69. I wish her well in retirement.

Our government already has too many geriatric politicians -- our political leadership is older than Breshnev's Politburo, which was widely derided as senile, and a factor in the USSR's collapse.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:00 PM

13. I assume that goes for Joe Biden also.

Right?

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:07 PM

15. Of course. Biden is already 70.

He should spend more time with his grandchildren.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:23 PM

17. You mean you want him to step down as VP?

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Response to deurbano (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:31 PM

18. No, but I don't think he should run in 2016.

Since Obamba is young and in good health, I think it is OK for Biden to be a little old.

But I don't think he should run in 2016 on the grounds that he is too old.


The party needs new blood, not the same old, tired figures.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:39 PM

30. What about Kerry? Already 69... Elizabeth Warren?

Do you think Kerry is too old to replace Clinton as SOS?

Is Elizabeth Warren too old to be a senator? (She's about a year and a half younger than Clinton.)

I agree with the "old, tired" as in, old and tired ideas... but Clinton and Obama seem to share many of the same old and tired ideas. So, I don't think it's about age. "New blood" (and/or young blood) doesn't equal new ideas.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:08 PM

43. Thanks for not mentioning the geriatric voters who put in these geriatric politicians..

It's our fault really. Well, maybe not, the DLC an RNC have a lot to do with who's available for us to vote for. There are deals that can't be broken.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:38 PM

21. Why is the word I in quotes in your OP. Was it not really you making that reply?

And why is the word seem in quotes? Are you saying they only seem to seem to be moderates?

Your punctuation confuses me.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:44 PM

23. When I drafted the op, my first choice was "we"

because I saw that several of us interfered with the Hillary for POTUS thread by suggesting other people. I thought it over and in my mind, that was not right, so I called "me" out for being ignorant. The others can speak for themselves, or not.

Just as in this thread, I wasn't posting to start arguments about why people shouldn't want Hillary, just that they didn't want her for POTUS.

Peace, don't worry about it....

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:47 PM

24. So... you used the word "Hillary" in a post, but *didn't* expect to have an argument?

You confuse me, indeed

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Response to Bucky (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:49 PM

36. The trouble is that a lot of folks who used to post here either died or quit...

But you never see anything about the two Democratic parties in DU anymore - the ones that a lot of us are - progressives. The "bad" guys, the ones picked by the DLC (Dem. Leadership Commitee) are not bad, but they are not progressive no matter what bs they tell you. When Dean won, he was not "their" guy. They knocked him out in Iowa. The whole debate team there (except Barbara Lee) did nothing but pick on Dean, not on each other at all.

The DLC is a moderate Dem group. They get along with Fox, Walmart, the people who run Fox, and are good with the business community. At any rate, a moderate Dem is better than a liberal Rep.

That's why Bill cut welfare beneifits, signed a bill that allowed Wall Street to do all the bad stuff that got us into a deficit. Nafta, etc., all this stuff helped the upper class.

Could some of you really bright people who follow the news and actually read the laws and blogs please enlighten us as to what the DLC is up to now?

I'm posting from a faulty memory..


Oh, and did anyone notice Ed tonight saying that Hiillary is righht for the times - because we need someone more in the middle. I swear Ed must be drunk or drugged....

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:39 PM

22. I'm 74 and won't be here to see who runs

At least I hope not. Too many aches and pains, too many ipads and twitters and stuff that's over my head, too many blogs that take too much reading. I am getting to be a regular moron...not an exceptional one, just a regular one.

Run who you want & hope you make the right choice.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:49 PM

25. Please don't die...

...before the next election. Especially if you live in a swing state.

Anyway, if you were a real moron you wouldn't be a Democrat.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:39 PM

34. Nothing would allow me to vote Republican, even a bribe :)

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:57 PM

28. Hell, you could run as Joe's VP!!

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Response to gateley (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:40 PM

35. I don't know if I'd be lettin him kiss all them wiman

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:18 PM

33. Why would you say that?

74 is not that old. My neighbor just turned 95 last Friday and her mind is still sharp. Every morning during the week she goes to our church and volunteers in the lunch program for the homeless. She's something else.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:00 PM

38. Find out who she's going to support if she lives till 2016

Of course, don't add that "if you live till 2016" - I hope you're brigher than that

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:03 PM

40. Are you saying your rose has faded?

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #40)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:04 PM

41. It's got twigs that are bent and won't stay firm...

But my thorns are okay!!!

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:51 PM

26. I don't understand what last century's politicians have to offer us really

 

Hillary is fine if thats what you are into. I think she can provide a consistent narrative to our story, though I find that to be increasingly irrelevant

I think our current set of dilemmas--like climate change, food & water security, staggering governments--require a different cultural narrative than what current leadership possesses; a different way of looking at the world and perceiving reality to determine what our role and niche is in it. This gilded age is ebbing, and every second we waste with the old paradigms and political rhetoric is a second wasted in terms of building regional resilience. Right this moment, that sound you here is the can rolling down the road

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:02 PM

39. At least there's one sensible poster in this thread. Thanks for giving us cover...

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:54 PM

27. I would vote for her, but I'd like to see a progressive run.

--imm

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:15 PM

29. Loads of people

quite possibly your neighbors, were absolutely opposed to Barack Obama. But there weren't enough of them the last two times.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:54 PM

37. The Reps even voted for Obama - I was shocked..I live in a purple city

They said that if Hill became VP Obama should get a food tester -I am just repeating what the old guys were saying to give you an idea of what people who do not post in DU have to say about it.

And the polls are largely controlled by people close to Hillary. She has people that worked for her in the White House, New York, State and they are all waiting for her to run so they can get a good job. Chris Matthews commented on what they will be doing now that she's out of State and guessed that Kerry would keep some of them - but he has his own people that he trusts to have with him...

I would guess that a lot of her supporters post here, right guys?

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:59 PM

31. I think she would make a good president but I think there are too many

Clinton haters for her to ever get elected. That is one of the big reasons I supported Obama in 2008.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:04 PM

42. I don't want to see her as POTUS (nt)

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:12 PM

44. Meh. It's way too early for fantasy football. Let's focus on the midterms. n/t

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