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Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:49 PM

Brown Claims She Only Meant to Punish Those Who Help Rape Victims

By Amanda Marcotte

I reported two days ago on a New Mexico state legislator named Cathrynn Brown who introduced a bill banning abortion for rape victims that required jail time for rape victims who dare refuse to continue a pregnancy forced upon them. She got a lot of attention for this, and so she’s now doing what Republicans do when caught being too openly hostile towards victims of gender-based violence, and backtracking. Now she claims she didn’t mean for women seeking to end rape-induced pregnancies to see jail time for “destroying evidence” (yeah right), and she’s rewriting the bill to clarify that you’ll only do time if you help a rape victim end a pregnancy. Which means that providers will be threatened with jail.

But just to be clear: She’s specifically trying to ban abortion for rape victims. She wants New Mexico to be a state where any man can decide at any point in time to forcibly impregnate a woman, and that woman is barred legally from doing anything about it.

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The ugly reality is, as anyone who discusses gender online can tell you, that the hardline conservative base is blatantly misogynist and happy to do things like blame women for men hitting them, or claim that men are entitled to rape women who agree to unchaperoned dates with them.

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So, she doesn't want to jail the victims for 'destroying evidence,' she only wants to jail those who assist the victim? Holy mother of god, what's wrong with these people?

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Reply Brown Claims She Only Meant to Punish Those Who Help Rape Victims (Original post)
AgingAmerican Jan 2013 OP
TeamPooka Jan 2013 #1
riqster Jan 2013 #2
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #3
joeybee12 Jan 2013 #17
Rider3 Jan 2013 #29
lsewpershad Jan 2013 #39
Doctor_J Jan 2013 #4
sakabatou Jan 2013 #5
rivegauche Jan 2013 #12
Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #6
Initech Jan 2013 #7
redqueen Jan 2013 #15
Dont call me Shirley Jan 2013 #25
demwing Jan 2013 #28
bettyellen Jan 2013 #35
Freddie Jan 2013 #30
Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #8
niyad Jan 2013 #9
Sheepshank Jan 2013 #14
Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #16
Sheepshank Jan 2013 #18
Autumn Jan 2013 #10
Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #11
Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #13
Rex Jan 2013 #19
tclambert Jan 2013 #20
Bake Jan 2013 #21
Marrah_G Jan 2013 #22
Dawson Leery Jan 2013 #23
Dont call me Shirley Jan 2013 #24
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #26
Solly Mack Jan 2013 #27
LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #31
pansypoo53219 Jan 2013 #32
ljm2002 Jan 2013 #33
libodem Jan 2013 #34
bullwinkle428 Jan 2013 #36
Lurker Deluxe Jan 2013 #37
rivegauche Jan 2013 #38
smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #40
ReRe Jan 2013 #41
kimbutgar Jan 2013 #42
mwooldri Jan 2013 #43
AgingAmerican Feb 2013 #44
Zax2me Feb 2013 #45

Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:53 PM

1. Fuck you Ms. Brown.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:59 PM

3. +1

The "fuck you" invective is used far too much at DU. This time, nothing else fits.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:43 PM

17. And twice on Sundays...nt

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:27 PM

29. Only thing left to say to her

Here, here.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:44 AM

39. From under which rock

did this slime slither?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:00 PM

4. Once we forcibly overthrow Big Media

and Hate Radio, this kind of shit will be broadcast on 1500 stations 24/7, and Ms. Brown will be the subject of hatred, abuse, threats, and epithets until she's hounded from office and into hiding. the only thing that allows this behavior is that her ilk completely control information control in the US.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:07 PM

5. Good god I hate her.

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:18 PM

12. Me too. It makes me so furious I could eat nails. nt

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:07 PM

6. Ms. Brown fails to connect the dots

discriminatory law

republicans fail to think things through to their conclusion

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:07 PM

7. What the holy hell is wrong with these pro life assholes???

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Response to Initech (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:24 PM

15. They hate women. nt

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Response to redqueen (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:10 PM

25. Just look at her, bleach blonde hair, way too much make up, gigantic hats and gaudy clothes

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:19 PM

28. What does her appearance have to do w/ anything

Do only dangerous assholes bleach their hair and wear makeup and big hats?

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:21 AM

35. Shirley you jest!

What the hell do her looks have to with it?

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Response to Initech (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:27 PM

30. Easy--once there's 2 cells in a woman's uterus

She ceases to be a human being, she becomes a walking incubator.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:11 PM

8. They can't seem to keep from stepping in it can they.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:26 PM

9. Brown Claims She Only Meant to Punish Those Who Help Rape Victims

that statement is mind-boggling. I don't want to punish rape victims, only those who help them (gee, does that mean you will go after doctors, mental health professionals, shelters, etc. as well?)

this woman is clearly delusional and hateful, and needs to step down, and check herself into an I-love-me jacket.

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Response to niyad (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:23 PM

14. How does this end-around not punish rape victims who find themselves pg?

OF COURSE she is stull punishing the victim.

She cannot avoid that real truth.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:40 PM

16. Deep down, Republicans know that rape victims all asked for it and need to be punished.

Right Wing Xtianity Nutjobs know that all women are evil temptresses who entice unsuspecting men into raping them.



Jesus would have a field day beating these idiots with a knotted rope.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:57 PM

18. ..just ask Pat Robertson.

Damn temptresses....it's not the dudes fault.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:34 PM

10. God that woman is just plain stupid

What the hell .

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:08 PM

11. She is absolutely evil and sociopathic

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:21 PM

13. "No good deed goes unpunished." W.C. Fields Helping rape victims is a criminal offense now.

So, she's not going to put rape victims in jail for refusing to carry to term, but she will put in jail anyone who helps her not carry to term.

Kinda like saying you can go to a barber for a haircut but jail any barber that gives you one.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:59 PM

19. Evil.

nt.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:19 PM

20. Is there no end to Republicans saying stupid things about rape?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:23 PM

21. Jindal was right ... they ARE the STUPID PARTY.



The bill, as I understand it, has no chance of becoming law.

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:24 PM

22. this

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:28 PM

23. Is there a process to recall this subversive theocrat?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:03 PM

24. Just called my rightwing NM rep asking her not to support this

horrendous bill revictimizing women who have already been atrociously victimized.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:15 PM

26. So a walk back and a double down...

That is one neat trick right there. And somehow it sounds even worse than what she originally said.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:17 PM

27. k/r

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:44 PM

31. 2 issues with this

1) What is the psychological impact on women that are forced to complete their pregnancy when it involves rape? If the woman has a boyfriend that did not impregnate the woman and loses him because of child not sired by him? If the woman is married and the husband is not the father and they divorce. If the husband not the father does not treat the child as his own. The child being a reminder to the woman of the rapist. Even if the woman gives up the child for adoption she still knows it is out there and there is the possibility the child attempts to reunite. So many other issues with this that results in a different road taken.

2) What is wrong with the women that want to force this on others? Do they ever think this through?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:22 PM

32. is she also proposing ALL COSTS OF SAID RAPE BABIES BE PAID FOR BY THE STATE OR THE PERP?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:46 PM

33. Either way the raped woman is forced to give birth...

...which is of course the goal here. Because, you know, we wouldn't want those wimmin to think they can just go around enjoying themselves getting raped without any consequences!!

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:59 PM

34. That is so personally invasive of privacy

Jaw dropping foolishness.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:23 AM

36. Clearly, all the Repukes think they have to do is get women in their party

to push these vile and horrific anti-woman policies rather than the Akins and Mourdocks, and everything will be peachy-keen!

Bill Gates doesn't have enough money to buy them a clue.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:38 AM

37. Well ...

Not that I am about to make excuses for anyone who is so obviously anti-choice but the bill really does read like it is attempting to stop someone who rapes a woman and then attempts to force her to have an abortion to destroy the evidence of the crime.

http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/13%20Regular/bills/house/HB0206.html

"B. Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime. "

Again, her motives are clear, she is anti-choice, but ... stopping a father, who raped his daughter, from forcing her to have an abortion to cover up the crime is not a bad thing.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:21 AM

38. I live in New Mexico

Yesterday I wrote & mailed that bitch a scorching letter. I didn't threaten her or anything, of course, I'm not a violent loon. But I explained very emphatically that she's unfit to hold office and that I'd do everything I can to get her out of office next election. She is a disgrace.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:00 PM

40. What a piece of shit she is.

F her. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:15 PM

41. Ms Brown belongs behind a...

...a pulpit, not in the state legislature of New Mexico. Get religion out of our government!!!!
Anyone who legislates against rape victims or those who help them in any way on the grounds of her/his anti-abortion religious beliefs, should be relieved of her/his duties and told to never run for a government office again. Tell her to go work for the Taliban.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:37 PM

42. When is she up for re-election? I will send money to her Democratic opponent to make sure she is out

of government permanently. People like her have no business being in the legislature. Honestly sane voters should boot all these crazy people out in the next election. Don't complain vote! I voted in 2010 did you?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:42 PM

43. I just don't understand.

This is a female legislator, right? If this came from a male, I can certainly see where he would get his false ideas. Rape is rape, no matter the gender. For women, when draped by a "man", there is this added thing called pregnancy. It is up to the woman as to what she wants to do with a pregnancy, full stop.

Yet she appears to me to have the empathy part of her brain unwired. With rape and pregnancy both together there is a host of mental health (not bad, just they exist) issues going on that need to be worked through. Now this legislator would like to throw a whole lot of obstacles in the way?

I know this may come off absolutely callous - and really I do not wish this on anyone - but maybe she needs to go through the experience of a horrific rape, find out she is pregnant and then figure out what to do. To emphasise this: I don't wish this on anyone - not even this legislator. Has she really thought this through?

I know, I'm just a guy reading this and thinking WTF... but any woman that much in distress about an unwanted pregnancy of any kind needs to get all of the health care she needs - even if it involves the termination of the pregnancy. Left untreated, the medical situation can get a whole lot worse. To legislate barriers to people to get the best healthcare a person needs - when medical professionals and the patient decides it is the right course of treatment - is wrong. In this case, the legislator is proposing jail time to medical professionals for assisting a patient with a medical procedure. It's wrong and probably unconstitutional. If it isn't well it bloody well should be.

In any case I hope her proposed legislation dies in committee, if ever introduced, and soundly voted down.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:09 PM

44. The inability to experience empathy is the GOP calling card

It is also the defining feature of psychopathy.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:11 PM

45. Off track

 

Would be the kindest thing I could EVER say about her after reading this.
Everything else (the other 99.99999%) I would say is full of ?!#%&!!? so I'll just stay with off track.

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