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Reply "I give God 10%" (Original post)
proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 OP
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #1
fasttense Jan 2013 #54
treestar Jan 2013 #69
Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #89
bvar22 Jan 2013 #90
Initech Jan 2013 #98
kwolf68 Jan 2013 #2
patrice Jan 2013 #3
theKed Jan 2013 #4
bluestateguy Jan 2013 #11
treestar Jan 2013 #71
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #14
MrModerate Jan 2013 #35
baldguy Jan 2013 #42
MrModerate Jan 2013 #49
Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #56
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HiPointDem Feb 2013 #132
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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:19 AM

1. "The God I believe in isn't short of cash, Mister" -U2 n/t

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:07 AM

54. The guy is upset over $6.29????

Really? Does he know the waiter is NOT even paid minimum wage? So, basically this fool wants to be served for half price.

I agree tipping is a very stupid institution that gives restaurant owners an excuse to underpay their employees.

That aside, a waiter makes 50 to 80% of their wages off of tips. Many restaurants barely pay $2.00 an hour for their employees and then they pad the tips so it looks like the employee is making minimum wage. In other words they cheat their employees out of their wages. But that is the American way.

If he doesn't want to pay a tip, go to a fast food restaurant. If I ever saw that person in the restaurant again, I would make a point to spit in his food.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:33 AM

69. +1 One of the best lines ever written nt

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 11:37 AM

89. I like George Carlin's take on it:

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #89)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 12:12 PM

90. The Leadership of BOTH dominant Political Parties...

...are convinced that there is an "Invisible Hand" that reaches down from the heavens and "corrects" Free Markets, so there is no need for government to intervene on behalf of consumers and citizens.
I don't know which belief is more laughable, or more fraudulent, but I do know this:

If you Work for a Living, don't trust ANY politician who professes a belief in an "Invisible Hand".
It doesn't exist,
and that politician is not your friend.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:23 PM

98. He's got $20 million dollars in his heavenly bank account...

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:22 AM

2. WTF


terrible.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:26 AM

3. God for sale to the highest bider. & People wonder why religion comes under such bitter criticism.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:26 AM

4. Cause God doesn't make below minimum wage?

Maybe he'll take your order, next time, though...cause if any server knew it was you that did that? They sure as shit wouldn't.

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Response to theKed (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:37 AM

11. Deuteronomy 24:14

"You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your brothers or one of the sojourners who are in your land within your towns"

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:35 AM

71. How little these right wing "Christians" know about the very religion

They claim to espouse.

It's as if God is just for them and cares about no one else. Not very consistent with the words of Jesus.

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Response to theKed (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:43 AM

14. Oh, I'm sure some would take the order

The Tyler Durden scenario comes to mind.

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Response to theKed (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:19 AM

35. Sorry. Tips are optional. What I see on that bill is theft, or fraud.

I wouldn't have added the comment, however.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:49 AM

42. Not leaving a tip is morally reprehensible.

People who are too stupid to understand that should stay home.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #42)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:29 AM

49. First off, I think the diner was angry, not stupid . . .

Although it's hard to tell just from the evidence of the bill s/he scribbled the rude comment on.

And if I was presented with a bill blithely assuming what tip I was going to leave and automatically charging me, I'd be angry, too. If it's not a tip but a 'service charge' of some sort, then the restaurant engaged in fraud by calling it a tip — another reason to be angry.

Secondly, what's foolish and self-defeating (although perhaps not stupid, per se) is to support a system where the employer is allowed to (even expected to) screw both the employees and the customers as a matter of course.

In what other business is the employer allowed to pretend that the uncertain kindness of strangers is a legitimate component of an employee's compensation? In what other business is the customer expected to make up for the fact that the employer is cheating his/her employees of a fair wage? In the US, tips are not given to reward good service. They're given because diners know that the restaurant owners engage in scummy practices that keep their employees impoverished and guilt and custom induce those diners to try to make it right.

It's flatly nuts.

In Australia, where I live now, you don't tip. Instead, restaurant owners pay servers (and bussers, and hostesses, and kitchen staff, etc., etc.) a living wage. And build those costs into their pricing model. Yes, restaurant prices are higher than in the US, but at least you're not having a meal off someone else's back.

Tipping is a disease, and the cure is for food service workers to demand a living wage and not continue to let themselves (and those who patronize their workplaces) be cheated.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:12 AM

56. As far as living places goes...


I live in a country where 15% of any bill is added as a tip. And yet, people still give additional tips. Never once have I heard anyone complain about being "defrauded". This all in a country were servers very much make a "living wage".

Personally, I feel obligated to give tips. Anytime that I'm in a restaurant, I reflect on the mere biographical accidents that lead me to living the good life while others my age still bust their asses off serving people and happily give an extra tip. I really don't see it as that much as an issue. In fact, I'm so conditioned by the habit and my inner reasoning that I think I couldn't eat somehwere without giving a tip even if the food and service were shitty altogether. But that's just me.

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #56)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:24 AM

58. I'd have to agree, "that's just you . . ."

I've only passed through Switzerland and didn't really pay attention to the restaurant bills (who does while on vacation? -- it's just too horrifying). However, if there's a 15% fee included in any bill, it's not a tip (as that term is understood in the US), but a component of the bill, and hence not fraudulent.

In the US, as I'm sure you'll recall, tipping is customary but entirely optional. To charge a 'tip' would be fraudulent, and to include a service charge incurred because of how many people you have in your party and call it a tip would be doubly so. Especially since the server is very unlikely to see a penny of that tip anyway.

I resent tipping. I resent the US system that makes it necessary, and I think the practice of structuring wages so people can't survive without tips is immoral.

A little industrial action is called for here.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #58)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:08 AM

63. So you think it's OK to stiff your server, just to maintain your Trotskyite indignation

over the oppression of the working class?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #63)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:51 PM

105. Did I say anything even remotely like that? No, I didn't. So what the hell are you talking about? nt

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Response to baldguy (Reply #63)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:47 AM

132. you can't stiff the waiter at that applebee's, apparently. 18% gratuity is mandatory. only

 

the management can stiff the waitstaff & i bet they do.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #58)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:39 AM

78. The 15% is a tip in intent. It is just formalized and standardized.


There is no other justification for the deducation, it is for "service". So yeah, it is different than the states, but the intent behind the 15% deduction is the same intent that you (or in this case, someone else I guess, since you don't tip) have when you tip. And still people like to give additional, individual tips.

So no, it's not just me. Whole cultures exist without the outrage! Then again, many roads lead to solidarity and I'm fine with yours as you are fine with mine.

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #78)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:58 PM

106. Distinctions matter.

A fee explicitly charged and made a part of servers' compensation -- as part of a business' cost model presented clearly and consistently to the consumer -- is OK with me. You tell me it's common practice in Switzerland and is charged automatically. Hence, it's not a "tip" as that term is defined in the US.

And I do tip when I'm in the US -- I just don't like it very much. I consider it unfair to the server and unfair to the customer.

I happen to think that Australia's model is superior to either the Swiss or US models, in that such costs are built into the price charged. What you see is what you get.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #58)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:02 PM

107. Servers make $2.13 an hour and are taxed on tips whether they get them or not.

You can resent the system all you want, but you're hardly going to gain allies for "industrial action" by stiffing the waitstaff. If taxes were optional, you might have a point, but they aren't. If you can't cough up a few extra bucks for a nice evening, than stay home and cook.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #107)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:15 PM

109. This "stay home if you can't afford a tip" bullshit is really obnoxious.

It's also a terrible argument. You really think supressing patronage is going to help?

As I understand the taxing practice, servers have to pay on actual tips, not theoretical, so your tax argument holds no water.

And the only reason I'd be looking for allies in industrial action is because I think food service workers are screwing themselves by letting their employers cheat them. As a customer of restaurants, it makes me uncomfortable supporting an unjust system.

So I do tip, but I don't like it. Sue me.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #109)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:21 PM

112. They are assessed taxes on projected tip earnings.

If they are suspected of under-reporting, they get audited.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #109)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:27 PM

115. This bullshit about getting indignant at having to pay for services fairly rendered

is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY obnoxious. Enough for altercations to occur.

(What's the next step up from "obnoxious"? That word really doesn't convey the abject debasement of your attitude.)

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Response to baldguy (Reply #115)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:52 PM

116. I'll resist the urge to reply in kind and simply point out that . . .

In many places around the world, employers are not allowed to pretend that the uncertain kindness of strangers constitutes a legitimate component of an employee's compensation.

And that if a service is fairly rendered, it should be charged for at an industry-standard rate and included in the cost of all services rather than being presented as a "gift" to one person in the production chain.

Tipping sucks. It screws the employee and it screws the customer.

I preferentially patronize restaurants where there is no tipping because the employees are paid a living wage and the cost of all services rendered is included in the published price. Nevertheless, I (resentfully) tip when it's called for. But I'll be damned if I'll praise doing so.

Why is that so hard to understand?

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #116)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:27 AM

117. You don't seem to understand that you have to pay people when they do things for you.

It's called doing a job. Do you think those people are giving you food because they like you? No, they do it because they expect to be paid for it.

Perhaps your douchebaggery stems from the mistaken belief that a tip is a "gift". IT'S NOT A GIFT! How's that? Does that make it clear to you?

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Response to baldguy (Reply #117)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:43 AM

118. Not sure it's worth it, since you seem incapable of listening, but what the heck:

If it's optional, it's not part of the services cost. I'm willing to pay the cost of services, but I'm not willing to subsidize scummy employers.

I happen to live in a country where no one tips. How do servers survive? Because by law and custom, employers pay them a living wage. Diners know exactly how much a meal is going to cost because the price is right there on the menu. The price is calculated by the owner based on costs (including wages) and profits.

It's honest, fair, and pleasant. Tipping is none of those things. Tipping is a mechanism whereby restaurant owners dodge a big chunk of their costs of doing business by playing on the guilt of their customers.

It sucks. And anyone who thinks tipping is superior to a fair wage is a fool.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #118)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:31 AM

121. You've been very clear: You resent the fact that you have to pay people who work for you.

If you don't like it, limit your dining experiences to McDonald's or Burger King.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #121)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:04 PM

123. Hopeless.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #123)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:18 AM

126. Hi--

I think there may be something lost in translation here. I'm from the US, but I have done some traveling. I agree with you that we should be fighting tooth and nail for waitstaff to be paid fairly.

What you may not know, is that in US it is common for resturaunts to state directly, "If you have a party of X number of people an X% gratuity will be added to your check." It is written sometimes right at the doors of the establishment, and it is almost always written somewhere very obviously on the menu. This isn't a new practice, it's been like that for a long time and people should be aware of it.

So people might not like it, but they aren't being surprised by it, especially at a chain like Applebee's where it is probably franchise policy. And honestly most people I know take it as read that if you have a party of 8 or more, tip is included in cost. It actually makes it easier.

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Response to Tien1985 (Reply #126)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:36 AM

129. I have no problem with a service fee being added to large parties . . .

Although calling it a "gratuity" is almost as bad as calling it a "tip."

But the receipt the OP posted (which is apparently from Applebee's, according to what I've read since this issue popped up) lists a tip and then an additional tip. That is extremely deceptive (fraudulent, in my opinion), and while the diner's comment was thoroughly dickish, I understand where the anger comes from.

Service fees are OK. If you bring a large party to just about any restaurant in the US, you'd expect a service fee. But for a restaurant to call a fee a tip is just going to piss people off. The larger Applebee's organization is pretty crappy anyway, so I'm not entirely surprised they'd try such an underhanded scam.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #129)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:51 AM

134. I don't like Applebee's

I don't appreciate the way we (the US) handles gratuity at all. I think we rob waitstaff.

The second line is for adding more tip if you want, since 20% is actually what is common. I think they picked a number between what is suppose to be min. 15% and what is common 20%. This is how nearly every big chain does it here. It may just be that we've gotten used to what we should consider fraud. However, it's been like this so long, I don't see how they don't know it's going to happen. They probably should have just gone somewhere else. It seems like they even knew it was going to happen because they tried to get out of it by splitting the bill.

It's hard for me to call it a "scam" when everyone here should know this is how it's done. I'd be more like to say it's just wrong, and should be done differently (they should just pay waitstaff a real wage and tips should be extra for great service).

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Response to Tien1985 (Reply #134)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:52 PM

135. Well, maybe it's because I've been in and out of the States . . .

(mostly out) for the last 20 years or so, but this is the first time I've ever seen a tip automatically added on the bill. And I'm sure I've been to a couple of Applebees (regretfully) on my visits back -- and on those occasions I added what I consider an appropriate tip.

I think this is new, or maybe not universal throughout the Applebee's chain. I'll certainly be scanning the check more carefully on future visits, because as much as I deplore the tipping system, one feature of it that I refuse to relinquish is my decision as the customer what to offer.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #49)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:18 AM

127. You are in Australia, but this is in the U.S. ...

You have never waited tables, have you? Otherwise, you'd have empathy for those working an exhausting job under minimum wage.

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Response to Rider3 (Reply #127)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:26 AM

128. I've lived in the US almost half my life, so I've seen the conditions . . .

servers work under. They're deplorable. My comment is that it doesn't have to be so. There are better ways to run restaurants and avoid cheating both servers and customers.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:46 AM

131. a mandatory tip isn't a tip. if restaurants make tips mandatory they should just add them to the

 

cost of the meal, pay their employees better, & stop calling them 'tips'.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:31 AM

59. Just about all restaurants add that on for parties of 5 or more.

It is usually stated on the menu and on a sign at the door.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #59)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:13 AM

65. The bill is under $40, probably not a party of greater than 5.

It is my experience that they do that for parties of 8 or more.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #65)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:14 AM

66. all depends on the restaurant.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #65)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:37 AM

72. It was a party of 8 that's asked for a separate check.

That's why that bill is small, but the %15 charge was added.

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Response to Separation (Reply #72)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:53 AM

73. Oh, didn't see that.

At any rate, that Pastor is a complete ass.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #65)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:55 AM

85. Perhaps it was a large party that had the server split the bill

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Response to GObamaGO (Reply #85)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 11:00 AM

87. It was a party of 20

From what I read, it was a party of twenty that was trying to get out of the auto-grat for large parties by splitting the checks <assholes>.

http://www.reddit.com/user/gateflan

No. They ran up well over 200$ before taxes or gratuity. They asked for separate checks, thinking it would get them out of the autograt, even though the same man paid for everything.

They had no problem with my service, and told me I was great. They just didn't want to pay when the time came.



gateflan 197 points 20 hours ago

It was only compulsory because it was a table of 20. Parties up to eight at my work may tip whatever they'd like, but larger parties receive an automatic gratuity. It's in the computer, it's not something I do.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:19 PM

97. Bullshit. Recommending a tip is not "theft or fraud"

Notice that the total is not put in, the patron has the absolute right, like this jackass did to not add the tip into the total.

The irony of this is the 18% is shown on the bill because of assholes like this who probably complain about overpaid servers. The minimum wage for servers is.. 2 dollars and thirteen fucking cents an hour. You want to talk theft...

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #97)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:06 PM

108. They've already charged for a "tip" which they've ever-so-helpfully decided is 18% . . .

And graciously offered the customer the opportunity to pay even more.

That's presumably because the customer knows the server won't see a penny of the "tip" and the restaurateur is expecting guilt to induce the customer to subsidize the defrauding of both himself and the server with yet another payment.

That's utter bullshit, and highlights how tipping in general is a noxious practice that needs to be replaced with living wages for restaurant employees. It ain't tough. They do it all over the world.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #108)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:28 AM

120. They put the 18% on the bill because the guy was part of a party of 20

who was trying to avoid the tip by splitting the bill. Plus the tip is on the bill but not in the total he didn't pay the 18%.

And I'm fine with replacing tips with living wages but until then tip the fucking servers.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #120)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:03 PM

122. I saw that blanket statement on Reddit . . .

with no attribution whatsoever. My bullshit meter went off.

And I do tip the fucking servers, but I'm not obliged to like it.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #120)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:50 AM

133. she paid, as the news reports make clear. the 18% was a mandatory gratuity and she was charged

 

it.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:26 AM

5. Wow. I hope that is fake. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:36 AM

10. It probably isn't

I waited tables for years, and had more than one incident like that, especially on Sundays. Our little joke talking about the church crowd was "10% is good enough for God...." I have gotten prayer cards as tips, have had customers ask me when I go to church if I work on Sunday (serving their pious asses because they want brunch!!!!), and the lady who says "You're the best waitress I ever had, bless you", and then leaves no tip at all. Hey lady.... my self esteem is fine, I need RENT!

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Response to justabob (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:00 AM

25. Growing up, my mother was a waitress

and she HATED working on Sundays. Not because it was the Sabbath but because she hated working the church crowds. She said there was always a group of them, maybe 10-15 of them, who would sit at some large table, have her running back and forth for this and for 2 or 3 hours, then leave her a .35 cent tip. One good thing about those experiences: It taught me why tippiing your wait staff generously is so important . . . it literally IS the difference between making rent and not making rent.

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Response to justabob (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:22 AM

36. Restaurants you've worked at systematically stole from their customers?

How'd that work out?

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:01 AM

39. excuse me?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Nothing I posted is about cheating anyone. It was pointing out how unpleasant some of the church crowd is to wait on. How is that "systematically stealing" from anyone?

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Response to justabob (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:12 AM

44. I interpreted your "It probably isn't . . ."

And "more than one incident like that . . ." to mean that you had worked at restaurants that used deceptive practices (including a "tip" as part of the bill) to defraud their customers.

Rereading, I see you were probably commenting on the diner's nasty comment about tithing.

My mistake.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #44)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:43 AM

50. thank you

I was speaking about incidents with ugly customers, especially churchgoers.

However, I have to admit every restaurant I have ever worked in from mom and pops to national chains (1991-2010) automatically add gratuity/tip/service charge to parties of 6 or 8 or more. You cannot avoid it, unless you keep to parties of five or less, sorry. And all those restaurants give an option to add more gratuity on top. It just is that way, and customers are presented a bill with that as well. If you do not understand you check or have a problem with it, ask your waiter or a manager. I repeatedly had to answer questions about auto-grat, additional tip etc.

There is a whole lot to be outraged about regarding the way restaurants do business, starting with the fact that waiters (except in a few states) do not make over 3.00 an hour in wages, and that hasn't changed in the whole 19 years I worked in the business (2.13/hr in Texas). Then we have to tip share with other support staff like bartenders and bussers. (based on SALES, not what you actually make via tips).

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:28 PM

99. Was that you who wrote the comment on the bill?

Because you and he seem to have the same attitude.

Maybe you should look into the story more. That bill you see, is one from a party of 20 people, that spent over $200 and who asked that the bill be split up in order to avoid the 18% tip that is automatically added for parties of 6 or more. They asked for the bill to be split but one guy paid all the bills.

In other words you are sitting here defending THIEVES by calling others thieves. They tried to steal from the waitress by splitting the bill and you come in here and call everyone but the thieves thieves. It's fucking brilliant really.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #99)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:18 PM

110. Well, gee whiz, thanks for your bucket of information . . .

Which doesn't seem to be available to anyone else. A source, perhaps?

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:01 AM

53. It's not

Sunday lunch is the absolute worst for tips. You get stupid little notes like this all the time, or prayer cards, or whatever the Pricks of Pedantic Piety are serving up that day.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:28 AM

6. K&R

I hope "Pastor" Bell's comment and signature end up all over the internet, including in his home town, and he's embarrassed, rebuked, shamed, and shunned by everyone for his penurious nastiness.

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Response to nessa (Reply #138)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:34 PM

140. Yes, I got the update the day after I posted.

Sucks that the waitress was fired and I hope she finds a better job soon.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:28 AM

7. God doesn't get any of your money (nor does He need it)

That 10% is going to a church to pay for operating costs, charitable activities, salaries, and um, other stuff.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:38 AM

12. passing the plate to protect pedophiles, for example

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:07 AM

17. +1

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 11:36 AM

88. Also, you don't need money if you don't actually exist.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:30 AM

8. Poor excuse for being cheap

Self-righteous A-hole

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:32 AM

9. Could this be the "Soliciting Sex Acts from a Child" Pastor Wes Bell????

Just did a Google, is all:

Barry Caudle, 39, served as youth minister at Harvest Chapel from 2004-2010. He was arrested Tuesday on charges of soliciting a child for sex acts from an undercover online investigation that originated in Rock Island. Caudle was most recently a youth minister at Marengo First Assembly of God.

Harvest Chapel Lead Pastor Wes Bell said he believes the congregation is somewhat removed from the situation because Caudle has been gone for more than a year. Still, he expects there to be some questions from members.

“It’s shocking, surprising and sad ... really sad,” Bell said.

http://www.daily-chronicle.com/2011/11/02/authorites-yet-to-contact-ex-church-of-youth-minister/an43uq9/




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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:08 AM

18. Hard to say. It's a fairly common name.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:10 AM

19. Is that scribbled word "pastor"?

I googled the merchant id, no luck.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:12 AM

20. Looks like it to me.

Honestly, we have no way of knowing if this is real. I just found it interesting enough to post.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:40 PM

102. More to the story here:

http://www.reddit.com/user/gateflan

Looks like it's probably real...

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:18 AM

28. It definitely says Pastor Wes Bell -- how many of those could there be?

Edit: Corrected the "their", deleted the slam, and had to say hi to my pal NYC_SKP

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Response to gateley (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:08 AM

55. matter of fact.... name rings a Bell

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Response to gateley (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:13 AM

81. Creepy pastor! Ewwww!

Hi gately!!!



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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:43 AM

13. Douchebag! nt

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Response to longship (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:28 AM

37. +1

 

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Response to longship (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:04 AM

43. +2

I can't stand assholes like this guy. I always tip 20% (sometimes more) on the after tax amount.

I know some people vary it lower based on service, but I stopped doing that years ago. I figure there are plenty of other people who do, so I just give 20%, and sometimes 25% for excellent service.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #43)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:24 AM

46. Same here.

If the service is a little less than I expect, I figure the server may just be having an off day like we all do from time to time.

I hope this isn't real. But if it is, the guy's an asshole.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:33 AM

119. Same here.

This guy is a total f***tard. I know these people make less than minimum and work hard for their money. I always overtip. If I can't afford to do so, I don't eat out. Period.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:44 AM

15. the fallacy of shifting percentages. "god" gets 10% of his INCOME; waitstaff gets 18% of one meal.

if he had to spend 18% of his entire income on tips, he might have an argument, albeit with an absurd lifestyle.

assuming he even spends 10% of his income on eating out (which is still quite high) that's only 1.8% of income on tips. far less than he gives to "god".



though, really, one might ask, what is he getting FROM god in exchange for that 10%?
it sure isn't how to be a decent person.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:44 AM

16. god, protect me from your cheapskate followers!

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:25 AM

23. Oops!






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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:24 AM

22. The waiter got the 18% anyway

It looks like an automatic service fee, probably because there was a party of six or more. The "tip" line says "Additional Tip," which is what usually shows up when the initial tip is mandatory. He can't just "cross it out."

The question is, what kind of place do you have where a meal for six runs approximately $35? I'd guess breakfast at a non-chain diner, with a bunch of people taking the $3.95 meal with bottomless coffee cups. But the dude, if this is real, is going to be billed off at $41.22 on his statement.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:17 AM

27. I can explain the discrepency

A party of six+ can get split checks and the computer will do the math and add the grat. The top of the check where that info is located is cut off in the image, but I suspect this is a split check for he and his wife or kid or whoever. Also, if he's paying with a credit card he can call the company and dispute the charge and the restaurant will have to produce the chit he signed which shows he had no intent to pay the grat. The restaurant will then have to adjust the charge. It sucks, but it does happen.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:30 AM

38. You're assuming it's a service fee . . .

For whatever the restaurant defines as a "large party."

But they don't call it that. They call it a "tip."

That's fraud, in my book, and — while I'd never leave the rude comment — I'd still scratch out the "tip" and raise holy hell with the card company if I got billed for it.

On the other hand, if they weren't trying to defraud me into paying a tip, I'd voluntarily leave one.

If it is a service fee, then someone needs to tell them to call it that.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:27 AM

40. Ok, I see where you are coming from with the "systemic stealing" upthread

I know a lot of people really hate the auto-gratuity, but just about every restaurant out there has the same policy, and have had since I can remember. There are usually signs posted in the restaurant, and definitely printed in the menus/bar cards. It is the same whether they call it a service charge, tip, or gratuity, whether it is 15, 18, or 20%. I can see why you don't like the format of the credit card slip, with the sneaky line for additional tip, but really, if it is that big of a deal, ask the waiter to explain the charges and what is what on the slip. Most waiters will happily explain it to you.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:06 AM

62. It's usually stated on the menu that parties of six or more will have an 18% fee

You can leave when you read that, and befopre you eat.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:54 AM

24. This is one of my big arguments with organized religion....

....God never sees a cent of that money, nor does he or she need it.

That food server probably worked his or her butt off to make sure that pompous ass enjoyed his meal.

Asshole.


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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:12 AM

31. That's because god doesn't exist.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:06 AM

26. Fucking moron doesn't realize the tip is already included.

 

At least that's the way I see it. He declined adding an additional tip. The card is also charged by what is on the register, not on the slip. Those slips get tossed as quick as you toss the one they gave you.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:21 AM

30. credit card chits are NOT thrown away

Restaurants keep all those signed slips. It is a huge pain in the ass, but customers call their credit card companies to dispute charges and the restaurant has to be able to produce the signed chit, or the cc company will demand a charge back for their card holder.

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Response to justabob (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:17 AM

32. Yeah, I was being too glib.

 

My apologies to you and to myself.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 12:26 PM

92. but doesn't it look like he even crossed out the 18% gratuity?

He wrote the cost of the meal in the "total" line, not the cost plus the gratuity. I think he really did pay no tip at all.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:19 AM

29. Hey ASSHOLE

god doesn't need a dime of your money but that server must eat and needs all the tips s/he gets.

Your god would think very poorly of your 10% to some rich church when you are letting his creatures go hungry.

Maybe you need to sit down and read that book you're so prideful of. It has a lot to say about how you treat other people, especially the poor.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:17 AM

33. Because god isn't slaving for your ass in an industry that has weaseled out of the minimum

wage, for starters.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:19 AM

34. God doesn't need to pay rent.

What an ass. What a shameful thing to do.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:45 AM

41. he only gives 10 percent to God ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:28 AM

48. From his attitude there, that seems like all he puts into it.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:22 AM

45. An old joke

has a punchline "well, I take all my money and throw it up towards "heaven" and whatever falls back to the ground I keep, I figure if God wants the money, he will keep it"

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:15 PM

93. Isaac Newton RULES, beeyotches!!

GRAVITY. It's THE LAW.



Born December 25, 1642.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:27 AM

47. I'd bet his collection plates don't get many checks payable to "God"...

...and if he did, it would become the topic for a sermon pretty darn quick.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:50 AM

51. That is a perfect example of contempt for the poor

and classism
and conceit
and arrogance
and haughtiness
and assholery

all those qualities that Jesus espoused
in the Sermon on the Mount, I'm sure.

Does God work in that restaraunt, too ???

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 06:57 AM

52. I bet the server earned every bit of that 18% with this asshole

They probably treated the server with little respect and demanded much.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:15 AM

57. Back when I was flush with cash

I used to tip as high as 300%. I've never worked in the food service industry, but if I did, I would be absolutely fuming if I saw a wiseass note like this.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:35 AM

60. Because "God won't spit in your meal"

asshole

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #60)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:07 AM

74. +100%

But then maybe God would make an exception for this character.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:58 AM

61. A Pastor? Hell bound.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:13 AM

64. The damage to this guy's rep is more than enough of a tip

God's way of paying him back, with interest............

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:26 PM

137. It's a woman. Pastor Alois Bell. (nt)

.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:23 AM

67. People who don't tip shouldn't eat out.

And that 10% doesn't go to god. It goes toward stuff like fancy community life centers that are mostly only used by church members. Just a tax free social club. Very little goes toward helping the poor and the community at large.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #67)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:27 AM

82. Two thumbs up

This is why I am appalled that churches are tax-exempt. If they want to do the proper accounting and have their charitable works tax-exempt, fine, but don't ask tax-payers to pay for your gymnasium.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:32 AM

68. He's going to begrudge a waitress?

Does he realize God loves the waiter too? Moron.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:34 AM

70. I thought it was 15% nt

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:08 AM

75. Is it this guy?

Pastor Wes Bell

http://www.harvestchapel.net/about.html

He says it's not on Twitter. He says its Cleo Bell.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wesbell/tweets

Whichever Pastor Bell this is needs a new job. He doesn't understand his to do the one he has.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:34 AM

76. Cleo Bell

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:36 AM

77. These people are disgusting!!

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:41 AM

79. Although the customer's outlandish response is stooopid I will say this-

I don't know why there is a 18% gratuity add-on on that receipt. Typically, and in good form I believe, you include large percentage tips on checks when the parties are big and there is only one check. I don't see why a bill that low should have that much of a tip put on it absent the volunteering of the customer. Personally, I do 15%- unless the restaurant, location, and culture of an area dictated otherwise.

Still, that's a little over the top- lol....

God, for what it's worth, I assure you cares far less about our material concerns then we do.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Reply #79)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 12:17 PM

91. Perhaps it was a large group...

that paid individually.

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Response to cecilfirefox (Reply #79)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:45 PM

103. The 18% was added because it was a party of 20 who tried to get out of the tip

by splitting the bill. They asked that the bill be split, then the "pastor" paid for all the bills. The bills totaled over $200..

All restaurants have a policy of including a tip for parties over 6 people exactly because of people like these.

You can see the story here:


http://www.reddit.com/user/gateflan

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #103)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:40 AM

130. So the pastor was paying everyone's bill with "God's money"?

God's tax-free money, at that. If these people needed a meal, wouldn't a food pantry have Ben a better use for the funds?

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:45 AM

80. Certainly not the first time someone used god in order to be a dick.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:37 AM

83. Gives 10% to a RW political religious group that should be paying taxes

is more likely the truth.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:38 AM

84. And I wonder what God thinks when he looks down and sees you do that?

What a jerk.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:59 AM

86. This would make a great internet meme poster

You know the ones that look like motivational posters?

Like this:

(above photo) CHRISTIANITY

(below photo) You're doing it wrong

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:22 PM

94. Jesus is all about injustice. This fits his philosophy perfectly.

MATTHEW

"For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath." Isn't this from the Republican Party platform? 13:12

Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex 21:15, Lev 20: 9, Dt 21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

"Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." 15:13

Jesus refuses to heal the Canaanite woman's possessed daughter, saying "it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to the dogs." 15:22-26

The ever-so-kind Jesus calls the Pharisees "hypocrites, wicked, and adulterous." Why? For asking for some evidence that Jesus is who he claims to be. 16:3-4

"Whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it."
If you want to stay alive, you must lose your life (kill yourself?) for Jesus' sake. 16:25

Jesus condemns the whole world, saying "Woe unto the world because of offenses." 18: 7

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9

In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35

"And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34

Rich people don't go to heaven. For as Jesus says, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 19:23

Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he'll give you a big reward. 19:29

The parable of the unfair, lying employer
The kingdom of heaven is like a business that hires workers, paying each the same wage (one penny). Some work 12 hours for the penny; others 9, 6, or 3 hours; and others for only one hour. If one of the 12-hour workers complains about it, his boss says, "Hey, didn't you agree to work all day for a penny? What are you complaining about?

From this parable, David Barton (and the Republicans) claim that Jesus was against the minimum wage.

But the employer didn't say he'd pay each of the workers a penny; he said he'd pay them "whatsoever is right" (vv.4,7). Is it right for one employee to be paid twelve times as much as another when both are doing the same type of work? 20:1-15

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:12 PM

95. Time To Outlaw Religion

If it promotes idiocy such as this.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:13 PM

96. my response: 'fuck you'

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:28 PM

100. He would be wise not to set foot in that restaurant again.

First rule of the streets: don't fuck with people who serve you food.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:38 PM

101. Sad

I saw this news story and it's sadly not a surprise. I highly doubt that pastor has ever worked as a waiter or in the service industry, I didn't find it to be a difficult job during my years as waiter or bartender but it's not as easy as most assume, especially when dealing with people who think you're worthless because of your current job. As a waiter I was paid 2.15 an hour in Virginia and 5.50 as a bartender which covered the taxes I paid on tips so my checks were often for zero dollars. So, needless to say I lived entirely on my tips.

In a way I would love to see everyone spend some time as a server in a restaurant so they understand. For me to tip less than 20% the server must be rude and DIRECTLY at fault for my dining experience being horrible. Not the kitchen cooking it wrong, or I don't like it, or the screaming baby that should have been taken outside 10 minutes ago...etc.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:04 PM

104. A big difference though

 

the waiter/waitress exists.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:20 PM

111. Remind me to give 0% to this jerk's church

If that's the kind of attitude they foster, let 'em shop at the supermarket like the rest of us and be done with it.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:22 PM

113. God needs a new accountant. The deity is always broke despite the protection money paid to him.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 09:25 PM

114. I'm suspecting this receipt is fake

 

However, it wouldn't surprise me if it was genuine. Screw the idiot who wrote that bs. Typical RW Christian prick.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:55 AM

124. god gets nothing from me but waitstaff gets 20%

 

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Response to odiumestpuritas (Reply #124)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:12 AM

125. Welcome to DU, odiumestpuritas!

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