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Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:26 PM

Starting fires, torturing animals and bed-wetting

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Said to be the big three common childhood traits of psychopaths.

On EDIT: I am informed in a reply here with wiki link that this oft-described relationship does not exist. If that is the case, I accept that. But I'll leave the comments about moral consistancy and children here for what they are.


Torturing animals speaks for itself. Starting fires is in the ballpark.

I doubt, however, that there is a genetic link in bed-wetting and sociopathy. And bed-wetting is, as a single trait, not much of a warning sign (!)

I do, however, believe that if a child is already disposed to defective character/personality development and is shamed/blamed/punished for something that is absolutely not his fault nor within his control it probably helps deform the sense of right and wrong, as it applies to him.

Parents have a high obligation to be rational and consistent... to create a reliable moral space that makes sense.

Just a thought.

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Reply Starting fires, torturing animals and bed-wetting (Original post)
cthulu2016 Jan 2013 OP
abelenkpe Jan 2013 #1
cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #3
Deep13 Jan 2013 #2
etherealtruth Jan 2013 #4
cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #5
etherealtruth Jan 2013 #6
Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #7
cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #9
surrealAmerican Jan 2013 #8
auntsue Jan 2013 #10

Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:38 PM

1. shaming children

or humiliating them is never a good idea.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:46 PM

3. As you might have guessed, the post about

the kid with the "I am a bully" sign made me think of this.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:43 PM

2. Bed-wetting is not the cause, ...

...so even if parents somehow cure it, it will not prevent psychopathia. Rather whatever causes the personality disorder also causes the bed-wetting. I think matters of control underlie all three traits.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:53 PM

4. From what I can gather it is not bed wetting in isolation that is a symptom

... but bed-wetting that co-exists with the other prominent symptoms such as animal torture, fire starting ...etc .... but what do I know?

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:55 PM

5. Agreed. I had meant to imply that in the OP.

bed-wetting is, as a single trait, not a warning sign

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:56 PM

6. You probably did ... I can be obtuse

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:00 PM

7. ...

The idea that bedwetting has anything to do with psychological maladjustment, and certainly with later antisocial or violent tendencies, or plays some part in a triad of predictors, has been described as a destructive myth entirely discredited. Crime researchers acknowledge that it is not linked with later sociopathic behavior. It is not even clear that it is necessarily associated with distress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macdonald_triad

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:24 PM

9. Good to know. Thank you.

I do learn things here.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:02 PM

8. Let's not kid ourselves here.

Shaming, blaming, and punishing kids for things that are not within their control can cause problems for any child - not necessarily psychopathy, but depression or anxiety - even in children without some sort of predisposition.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:53 PM

10. You don't teach empathy by

shaming a kid who bullied. Role play, talk therapy, modeling positive behavior............work much better. Sheesh !!!

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