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Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:48 PM

 

Can I share my theory of Everything?

I'm sure that this theory is not unique, but I haven't read much philosophy. Here it is. The Universe did not have a start, or beginning. The Universe has always been. If the Universe had a start, who started it? Well I'm an Atheist so the who part makes no sense to me. But, to solve it for myself, it only makes perfect sense that the Universe has always been. No bearded dude. Big Bang theory is alright, there have been an infinite number of bangs.

I know, how could something not have a beginning. Well, I don't know. But, I don't think that the Universe strives to make sense to us. Without throwing around Gods to solve the dilemma of how did it all happen, the only other alternative can be that it's always existed.

This theory has caused the Jehovah's to stop coming by. Imagine, the Jehovah's have rejected me. Strange.

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Reply Can I share my theory of Everything? (Original post)
salinen Jan 2013 OP
quinnox Jan 2013 #1
CoffeeCat Jan 2013 #2
kentuck Jan 2013 #3
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #5
gateley Jan 2013 #9
kentuck Jan 2013 #13
randome Jan 2013 #4
longship Jan 2013 #6
Romulus Quirinus Jan 2013 #7
reformist2 Jan 2013 #8
legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #10
randome Jan 2013 #11
legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #20
mindwalker_i Jan 2013 #12
Recursion Jan 2013 #16
mindwalker_i Jan 2013 #43
kentuck Jan 2013 #17
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #24
MissMarple Jan 2013 #31
mindwalker_i Jan 2013 #44
Recursion Jan 2013 #14
liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #15
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #18
kentuck Jan 2013 #19
liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #21
Electric Monk Jan 2013 #22
NoOneMan Jan 2013 #23
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #25
Bandit Jan 2013 #26
Bosonic Jan 2013 #27
Cary Jan 2013 #28
dtotire Jan 2013 #29
kentuck Jan 2013 #30
randome Jan 2013 #32
Warpy Jan 2013 #33
kentuck Jan 2013 #34
Warpy Jan 2013 #35
kentuck Jan 2013 #37
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #36
Neoma Jan 2013 #38
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #39
kentuck Jan 2013 #40
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #41
kentuck Jan 2013 #42

Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:53 PM

1. that is close to the Steady State theory

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady_State_theory

But it doesn't have to mean a God or supreme being couldn't also have always been existing, eternally.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:57 PM

2. Who knows?

My brain hurts when I ponder these big questions. The older I get the more I find myself settled into this view, "I don't know and neither do you." I don't think we CAN possibly know, as of now anyway. We humans have only been on Earth a short while. We still have many discoveries and scientific breakthroughs to experience--before we can begin to answer these questions.

It's all so very interesting. I have great respect and I feel a sense of camaraderie with anyone who thinks about these things and attempts to figure it all out. We need thinkers, dreamers and people who ponder the deep stuff.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:59 PM

3. I prefer to believe that the Spirit moved across the waters...

and the "Spirit" was a form of energy and that over many eons of evolution, the energy has been refined into thought processes, which in turn create words, which in turn create actions, which in turn create images of a universe, which in turn is only a figment of our imagination...

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Response to kentuck (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:03 PM

5. I can live with that.

Tho I also believe in universal consciousness of everything.
The great hive mind, if you will.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:09 PM

9. Me, too.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:14 PM

13. I can believe in a cosmic consciousness but...

it is scattered, in almost a chaotic manner. However, somewhere in this world, at all times, is a center of this consciousness, that keeps the world glued together. It is the "God" that people worship and talk about but they do not know where it is. They do not know if it is in the form of a man or mammal. But it is probable that there are two of them since everything in our reality is of a dual existence. How could there be only one God? Just as there is a Moon and a Sun, Day and Night, Male and Female, Fire and Water, there surely must be a match to the God of which we speak?

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:02 PM

4. If the Universe collapses and re-starts, perhaps everything in it plays out in the exact...

...same manner as before.

After all, everything will be the same once it collapses to whatever quantum non-existence it began as. So if conditions are the same at the moment of the Big Bang, it may follow that everything plays out exactly the same.

This could be the 'eternal life' the religionists want. Although it would suck if you have a bad life endlessly repeated.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:05 PM

6. Not just the Jehovahs...

Just kidding, my friend.

A fun post.
Thanks.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:07 PM

7. Looks like physics beat you to it. :)

http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Landscape-String-Illusion-Intelligent/dp/0316013331

The Cosmic Landscape: String Theory and the Illusion of Intelligent Design

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:07 PM

8. The further you go, the more philosophy and religion merge... it's all why, why, why?


In the end, the answer is always, I don't know!

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:10 PM

10. The answer is 43

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Response to legaleagle_45 (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:11 PM

11. I think you overstepped it by one.

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Response to randome (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:22 PM

20. No wonder the mystery of life has eluded me.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:12 PM

12. How could the universe HAVE a beginning?

The only possibility is for something else to exist that is not the universe, and for that somehow to start the universe. It could be some dude with a huge bong who created the universe, or it could just to some effect of the non-universe popping itself into being the universe. Regardless, something other than the universe had to exist. Where did that come from? See, the problem just gets pushed back a level.

Unless, of course, we create God, God creates a universe, which then makes people eventually to make another God. Ad infinitum.

Or maybe it all has to do with butts: a universe eventually makes butts, those butts give birth to a God, that God creates a universe capable of producing butts. That's the theory of the buttiverse, and it has as much validity as any religion.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:16 PM

16. Interestingly, there's a physics argument that the universe doesn't exist

Or at least, exists within Schroedinger's "margin of error". So if it doesn't exist, there's no need to explain how it got here. Silly in some ways, but also elegant.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 12:11 AM

43. There seems to be a bit of evidence that the universe does exist

Not saying it's impossible that we're being fooled somehow, or misinterpreting the data, but for know, the universe existing is the best explanation.

It might be a good computer simulation (I knew I shouldn't have given away that VIC20).

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:17 PM

17. I think you are close.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:26 PM

24. My answer is cheese.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:44 PM

31. The power of Cheese.

There has to be a set of morals in that somewhere.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 12:15 AM

44. The universe might be like cheese

One theory is that the vast majority if space - as in volume - is undergoing hyper-inflation and that universes are these little holes where there isn't hyper-inflation, so things can kind of settle down there. That means the universe is like Swiss Cheese.

Only a universe made of cheese can explain Disney.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:15 PM

14. Kant presents that as one arm of the Transcendental Amphiboly

There are a priori arguments that the universe both must have a starting time and cannot have a starting time.

Many physicists today make an argument that time is a primarily thermodynamic phenomenon, so it could have a beginning in a scientific sense, even if not in the normal sense of what we would mean.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:15 PM

15. Given the physics of the universe I'd have to guess that could be true but

it would still have been in a different form of energy and mass at some given point in time and space. The laws of conservation of energy and mass say that energy and mass can never be destroyed. They simply transfer from one form to another. What form of mass and energy was the universe in before the Big Bang and what triggered that transfer of energy? Scientists are still trying to figure that one out.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:17 PM

18. The universe has always been and always will be.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:20 PM

19. But that leaves no room for debate...

or questions.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:24 PM

21. question everything

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:25 PM

22. Perhaps as you look nearer to the beginning and the end, time curves like an asymtote

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:25 PM

23. We're inside a black hole in another universe

 

That black hole didn't always exist in that universe. Therefore, our universe did not always exist, but "started" according to an external timeline that is not applicable within this black hole universe.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:27 PM

25. Don't even get me started on multi-verses!

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:29 PM

26. The entire universe is only a single atom which makes up something even larger.

and what does it really matter in the scheme of things....

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:29 PM

27. Alternatively

The only eternal entity is 'sea' of randomness, and 'occasionally' a very improbable event occurs and a universe 'pops' into existance for a 'while', or more probably a mini-universe, or even more probably one concious entity that experiences what it thinks is a fully-realized universe...

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:35 PM

28. Time and space are an illusion

Get a good current book on cosmology. I believe there is a current theory involving dark matter and dark energy, which we don't currently understand. For some reason our universe has just the right amount of dark matter and dark energy to allow us to exist as we do. So are there other universes with too much or too little dark matter and dark energy?

Of course this goes beyond science at this point because we have absolutely no proof of any other universe.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:40 PM

29. Carl Sagan believed the same

He mentioned this in the series he wrote: Cosmosi

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:41 PM

30. Everything is relative.

Have you noticed that the Big Dipper and the Little Dipper look exactly alike but one is smaller. And Orion's stars always point to the Little Dipper. Everything is larger or smaller compared to our own height and weight. Look how small that ant is or how large is that elephant.

And we find it amazing how computer chips are created in micro-millimeters to do tasks we never imagined. And when we see photos of the universe they uncannily resemble a strand of DNA. Everything seems to be a reflection of everything else and is only relative to the small space which we occupy on this small speck of sand called Earth.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:59 PM

32. The Universe is orgasmic in nature.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:09 PM

33. But but but everything is rushing apart faster and faster!

It all had to have come from a single point in time and space many billions of years ago....

Except, they're thinking in terms of space rather than in terms of time. Remember, our perception is unidirectional as far as time goes. The three dimensional, accelerating universe is likely an optical illusion because of our three dimensional perceptual bias.

Personally, I find the concept of an oscillating universe, going between big bang and big crunch, to be most palatable.

Otherwise, it's turtles, all the way down.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:11 PM

34. Why do we accept that time goes forward??

and not backward?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #34)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:15 PM

35. That's recently been proven

that time has a one way bias except at the quantum level under extreme circumstances, similar circumstances that the Big Crunch would provide.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:21 PM

37. Yesterday is not tomorrow?

I guess they knew what they were doing when they built the first clocks?

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:19 PM

36. This universe did have a beginning...

It was between 13 and 14 billion years ago. I don't know about the other universes. I suspect some of those still exist to this day that are much older. There may also be some newer ones out there. And I am not sure that our universe is rushing apart so much as expanding towards other universes. I have no idea what happens when universes collide, but I think it is probably a beautiful but deadly thing for any life in those universes.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:23 PM

38. Psssh, don't kid yourself, we're a bunch of holograms.

Captain Picard wanted to explore California once and now we're just stuck in the computer playing ourselves out.

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Response to salinen (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:29 PM

39. This Universe is just a cell which is part of an organ which is part of an organism

Which belongs to another Universe , which itself is just a molecule which belongs to an organ which belongs to an organism which belongs to another Universe..

You know the rest.

Cheers!

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #39)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:37 PM

40. And if we are so minute...?

...how are we able to envision such huge ideas or theories??

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Response to kentuck (Reply #40)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:40 PM

41. Huge ideas on our scale. We are far from being huge within the Universe(s) :)

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #41)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:49 PM

42. Definitely.



Do ants see us coming and shout to the other ants, "Look out! The giants are coming!"

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