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Tue Jan 29, 2013, 02:59 PM

I could be totally lying about this---

but I'm not.

Not only am I not lying, I am not alone.

I knew---who didn't---that W was a total idiot BEFORE 9-11 happened and he proved it to the world.

I knew, as soon as W swaggered up onto that pile of rubble at Ground Zero and started drawling into that bullhorn that we were going to war, come hell or high water and whatever the stated reason.

I knew that Bush, Unca Dick and Rummy were all lying through their teeth when they scared (almost) everyone with that Weapons of Mass Destruction crap.

I knew that war would last for many years because there were too many people making too much damn money off of it. "True patriotic Americans" helped "protect our freedoms" by going shopping.

I knew that the rise of the Tea Party was just a diversion to allow the REAL GOP BASE spew its hatred and racisom and intolerance without "technically" besmirching the Party of St. Ronnie.

I knew---and know---that "bipartisanship" is a bad joke trotted out by TPTB when they need to shield themselves from the outrage that would be aimed at them if they owned their self-serving anti-people agenda.

I suspect there are more than a few who, like me, often can't "prove" what we know to be true. Maybe we just have better than average bullshit sensors.




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Reply I could be totally lying about this--- (Original post)
Atticus Jan 2013 OP
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #1
Whisp Jan 2013 #24
WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #2
gateley Jan 2013 #3
abelenkpe Jan 2013 #4
Ian Iam Jan 2013 #15
barbtries Jan 2013 #5
MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #17
Amaril Jan 2013 #32
just1voice Jan 2013 #6
libtodeath Jan 2013 #7
Tikki Jan 2013 #8
Lint Head Jan 2013 #9
bvar22 Jan 2013 #10
geardaddy Jan 2013 #11
bvar22 Jan 2013 #14
geardaddy Jan 2013 #16
hfojvt Jan 2013 #34
October Jan 2013 #12
dmr Jan 2013 #13
Whisp Jan 2013 #25
We People Jan 2013 #39
dmr Jan 2013 #40
hamsterjill Jan 2013 #18
Canoe52 Jan 2013 #19
ReRe Jan 2013 #20
NightWatcher Jan 2013 #21
OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #22
Whisp Jan 2013 #23
dkf Jan 2013 #26
BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #27
timdog44 Jan 2013 #28
Tikki Jan 2013 #30
clydefrand Jan 2013 #29
Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #31
hfojvt Jan 2013 #33
deutsey Jan 2013 #35
Javaman Jan 2013 #36
lark Jan 2013 #37
Uncle Joe Jan 2013 #38

Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:02 PM

1. One thing I will always pat myself on the back for, was for not being one of the supposed

90% of Americans who approved of Bush and his bullhorn bullshit. I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I knew a puppet out of his depth when I saw it.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:47 PM

24. Hard to believe that 90%, but yah.

Part of that reason of a high and ridiculous number like that is because of the lazy shitstain media talkers. They all drooled and supported, supported and drooled.

Not one of those big names are worth a spit - when their voices meant the most they decided instead to stick their tongues out and lick Bush anus.

Phil Donahue is the only one with any integrity in that planss for mass murder mess.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:09 PM

3. Amen, Friend -- you speak the Truth!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:13 PM

4. I'll never forget

day of 9/11 sitting in dailies in stunned silence like everyone else. My director said quietly we'd go to war for a very long long time. Didn't want to believe it then. Funny thing is earlier when the recount was stopped same director muttered something about it being the end of democracy.

Great director. Kinda cynical though...

Prolly right tho too.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:21 PM

15. Cynical?

 

"Prophetic" is the word I'd use!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:17 PM

5. i'll go you one better.

i knew before the 2000 election that gw would throw a war if he was president. absolutely knew it.

all the rest, too. in fact it was out there, you just had to look for the truth. i so clearly recall my daughter in law at the time, having watched colin powell at the UN, saying, "he was pretty convincing," and me saying, "he's LYING."

yeah. for all the good it does anybody, we knew.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:45 PM

17. I knew we were going to war after

the Supreme Court appointed him as president.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:36 PM

32. Right there with you

I watched one of the debates with a friend, and told him "Mark my words -- Bush will have us in a war with Iraq within 18 months if he's elected." I was off by 8 months (he was sworn in 1/21/01 -- invasion happened 3/19/03).

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:53 PM

6. I know that not holding Bush et. al. accountable for war crimes and treason

 

is going to be haunting the U.S. for years and will be used against the U.S. in some future time of turmoil.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:57 PM

7. I knew as soon as I heard at work a second plane had hit and terrorism was spoken of

that the dumb shit was well on the way to a hopeless war.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:08 PM

8. As did the Mr. and I...and so many others...We marched in protest, wrote to newspapers..

talked to others, tried and tried....

Now when you ask 'those people' about their blind allegiance they won't talk about it
and just want to move on....

Lots of people died and they are dead and dead people can't move on because they are dead.


Tikki

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:18 PM

9. The moment the twin towers were hit I knew it was Bin Laden simply because of the blowing up

of up the giant twin Buddhas and a report on Frontline long before it happened. The powers that be are only fooling the fools that only know how to follow.

The deck is stacked. We are enslaved by what we are allowed to consume and fed by corporations and their employed minions who spoon feed the masses the money making shiny objects and fads of the moment. The staples of life will soon be totally controlled by mega businesses like Con Agra and Monsanto who will own the very seed for the food we eat and have it produced by slave labor in other countries. There is a fight right now to save the family farm. The bio industries are trade marking common genes and dna at this moment.
Knowledge is power and resistance is the weapon. We have to use the only power we have or some day even resistance will be futile.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:19 PM

10. Many people KNEW that the proper response to the actions...

... of a tiny band of Saudi criminals hiding in the Afghanistan desert was International Law Enforcement (as Obama & Seal Team 6 PROVED),
but only one elected Democrat stood against the Invasion, Occupation, and the senseless killings of many thousands of innocent Afghans,
and despite Joe Biden's claim, that single NAY vote was cast by Democratic Congresswoman Barbara Lee of California.


By the time the Bush Administration shifted focus to Iraq,
almost EVERYBODY knew he was lying,
but only these Democrats had the integrity and courage to stand and oppose the Invasion of Iraq:

The Democratic Party Honor Roll
These Democrats should be remembered for their principled stand against the WAR Machine.

The Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq
(Iraq War Resolution)

United States Senate

In the Senate, the 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent courageously voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq :

Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
Barbara Boxer (D-California)
Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
Bob Graham (D-Florida)
Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
Patty Murray (D-Washington)
Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)


United States House of Representatives

Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Represenatives:

Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii)
Tom Allen (D-Maine)
Joe Baca (D-California)
Brian Baird (D-Washington DC)
John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine)
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin)
Xavier Becerra (D-California)
Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon)
David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office)
Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania)
Corinne Brown (D-Florida)
Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)
Lois Capps (D-California)
Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts)
Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland)
Julia Carson (D-Indiana)
William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri)
Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office)
James Clyburn (D-South Carolina)
Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office)
John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan)
Jerry Costello (D-Illinois)
William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office)
Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)
Susan Davis (D-California)
Danny Davis (D-Illinois)
Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon)
Diana DeGette (D-Colorado)
Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts)
Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut)
John Dingell (D-Michigan)
Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas)
Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania)
Anna Eshoo (D-California)
Lane Evans (D-Illinois)
Sam Farr (D-California)
Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania)
Bob Filner (D-California)
Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts)
Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas)
Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)
Alice Hastings (D-Florida)
Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office)
Maurice Hinchey (D-New York)
Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas)
Rush Holt (D-New Jersey)
Mike Honda (D-California)
Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon)
Inslee
Jackson (Il.)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E.B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Maloney (CT)
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller
Mollohan
Moran (Va)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Scott
Serrano
Slaughter
Snyder
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (NM)
Udall (CO)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson
Watt
Woolsey
Wu


Some Democrats later apologized for their vote in support of The Iraq War,
claiming they were Fooled By Bush, a claim which is dubious on its face and more damaging than just admitting they feared the political consequences.

Other Democrats who voted FOR the Iraq War have insisted that their vote was the proper vote. Outgoing Sec of State Hillary Clinton is one of these.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
Solidarity99!
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Response to bvar22 (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:38 PM

11. Thanks for this list.

Just saw the documentary "Wellstone!" this past weekend and it talked about that vote.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:18 PM

14. I will be forever grateful that I was in St Paul,

...and had the privilege and opportunity to hear him speak about casting that vote against the Iraq War.

He was in a neck & neck race for his Senate seat with Republican Norm Coleman,
and, as usual, Wellstone was fighting for his seat without much support from the Democratic Party establishment.

President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, and other Big Name Republicans were making weekly appearances in the Twin Cities, cutting TV commercials, fund raising, and stumping for Coleman. You couldn't turn on a TV without seeing their faces.
Not too many (none) Big Name Democratic Party celebrities were showing up in Minnesota to help Wellstone in his campaign.
He was doing his usual thing, barnstorming the state and relying on Grass Roots activists to help him keep his seat.

ALL the advisers and pundits had told him that he would surely lose his seat if he cast a NO vote. He told us that he had spent a sleepless night mulling that over before he cast his vote. When asked WHY he took that chance,
he said that sometimes you just have to do the right thing regardless of the consequences.

Wellstone was the only Democratic Senator involved in a re-election battle that voted NO on the IWR.

Against all the predictions of the pundits and advisers, he began to pull ahead of Coleman in the polls, and the gap was widening until he was killed.

I don't idolize Paul Wellstone.
He was a human just like the rest of us,
but I do remember Paul Wellstone, and use his courage and integrity as a model and a measure with which to evaluate other politicians.
He was one of the very best.



"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."

--- Paul Wellstone


photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed


Solidarity!



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Response to bvar22 (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:36 PM

16. Yes, I remember that election season.

I remember Coleman when he was a DFLer and when he changed sides to run against Paul. What a fucking scumbag.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:04 PM

34. so is incoming SOS Kerry

but now I am thinking of a song




Still, I am not sure how much courage it took to vote against Iraq. At least two people on that list paid the "price" of being elected to the Senate - Baldwin and Brown.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:54 PM

12. Same.

And I had liberal friends at the time (immediately after 9/11) who thought GWB was what we needed at the time and thought he showed strength. I nearly vomited. Seriously. The first words out of my mouth to anyone around me on that tragic day were, "OMG... and we have HIM as President...OMG...OMG..."

I never got over the whole Gore/Bush election, and felt alone in my own country. Watching all the flags being hoisted on trucks, houses, etc., made me feel ill after 9/11. I felt I did not understand my country.

DU has always been a place for me to come and feel normal again, knowing others here were thinking along the same lines as me.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:09 PM

13. I remember a few discussions here on DU that summer speculating

what the Bush* administration would do to kick-start their PNAC bullshit.

Several people here were concerned that a catastrophe would be in the making.

-----

Bush* and his neo-con gang had to coup the 2000 election. They just had to take control, and if it took cheating, well, then they and SCOTUS cheated.

You can't trust a continuously lying, cheating and thieving Republican. They'll smile to your face and stab you in the back.


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Response to dmr (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:51 PM

25. careful now, you'll get scolded for being a conspiracy nut!

there are none! DU says so.

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Response to dmr (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 12:04 AM

39. How/where in the WORLD did you find out about pnac that early?? I found out right before

the invasion of Iraq in 2003, and that was long before anyone I knew personally was aware of it. Do you remember your source? From the internet? Just curious.

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Response to We People (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:17 AM

40. Right here on DU.

I was pretty ignorant on many things back then, but quickly learned a lot here on DU. Found out that the PNAC'ers had written to President Clinton in 1998 about how they felt our foreign policy with Iran was on the wrong course. Of course after their coup in 2000 they found a way to implement their brand of foreign policy, and look how horrific that turned out to be.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century

I DU!


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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:48 PM

18. Yep, I knew, too.

And tried to tell some of the Right Wingers around me, but they wouldn't listen of course.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:59 PM

19. I was working

at the corporate headquarters of a major insurance company, surrounded by repugs, and every time bush & co changed the reason why we were in Iraq I would mutter "It's only about the oil" finally the light dawned in one persons eyes.

During this time period I was checking the news on CNN one day and a "helpful" fellow co-worked stopped by my desk to tell me that you had to watch what you read on "some" of the news reports, because they weren't fair and balanced!

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:18 PM

20. Well I know this, and I'm not lying...

K&R

... that as soon as GW got in office, he had Collin Powell running all over the world rattling the sabres. I knew, and my dearly departed Mother knew, that they would have us in a war so quick we wouldn't know what happened. The saber rattling got worse as the year went on, then came 9/11. Mother and I just looked at each other and said nothing else. We started praying for our soldiers, as we knew it would be no time until we were in another war. But we would never have guessed that the main thrust of the war would be toward Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11.

I knew that when Collin got up there in the UN and waved around that little vial on that fateful Monday, as if it was actually Anthrax, I knew it was a lie. I knew it. Collin was not a good liar. He was not convincing. I could see straight thru him. That was not the Collin Powell I knew.

I knew the spiel about WMDs and mushroom clouds was all a lie. GW and his cabal lead this country into two wars on a credit card, told everyone to go shopping, and spent up the surplus that Clinton left by giving the 1% a great big tax break to ice the cake. Yeah...told everyone they should buy a home. That a man's home was his castle. And so it was.

And by Sept 14, 2008, the housing bubble popped and Hank Paulson came to Congress begging on behalf of Wall Street. The rest is history....

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:22 PM

21. I knew we were going to a BS war in Iraq too

That's why I left my govt contractor job a week before it started. It's also why I have trouble with the official story

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:35 PM

22. Just my opinion, but I don't think W was smart enough to spell his own name even if....

....you spotted him all but the W. He was nothing but a puppet figurehead for a government that consisted of all of his dad's old Neocon buddies who had planned to go to war in the Middle East for decades. All they needed was "another Pearl Harbor", and that took place on 9/11.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:39 PM

23. Here's something else for your sensors.

Gulf War was started by Poppy Bush (under false pretenses as per usual), and during Clinton's 2 terms in office there were brutal sanctions against Iraq and no fly zone crap - then the weakened Iraq was 'finished off' by lil Georgie Boy and all the PNACers and their friend stuffed their faces in the trough of blood and came out with billions in their teeth.

Try to convince me this was just a mere coincidence and Clinton was not part of the plan. Tell me why Clinton and Poppy were so close, apparently like father and son.

And then tell me I should support Hillary in '16. The senator who voted for the IWR - against all better judgement there is in the world, she voted for war.

All crackly tinfoil, of course! I wish.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 07:01 PM

26. I also knew the Bush tax cuts were a disaster.

 

What happened there?

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 11:11 AM

27. I KNEW when *ush was running

And all I had to do to prove it was to google his track record as Gov. of Texas.

It's frustrating as hell...tear your hair out and have an aneurysm frustrating...to be ahead of the curve

And I'm not even NEARLY a fraction as informed and knowledgeable as many other people here.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:02 PM

28. Bullshit sensor

That is very descriptive. And very true. Those hard to prove moments really are a knowledge of deep down right and wrong. A bunch Saudis crash planes into our trade towers and so we go to was against Iraq????!!!!! Hopefully a few Cubans don't do something against Mexico, because using the same logic we would be attacked my Mexico, because there are Cubans in Florida. Bullshit sensor. Knowing instinctively when things are not quite right. And it works on several different levels. The thing is having the guts to use that sensor. Too many politicians worrying about reelection instead of really taking care of Americans.

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Response to timdog44 (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:20 PM

30. We knew from boosh's past and the way he raided our treasury up to 9/11 that he would..

find a way to use the attacks to line the pockets of his friends and stick it to the rest of us.

The most pathetic thing I have EVER seen in my long life is that photo of boosh standing on the aircraft carrier
with that Mission Accomplished sign.

Generations will pay for the greed of that f**k~up.


The Tikkis

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:03 PM

29. So, I am one of those that, by 9/12 that the l o n g wait

at the school in Fl. that he was waiting for news of the 2nd hit. Then I was so sure after we heard that the only plane that were allowed to fly (other than the military) was the plane that took the Bin Laden family out of Fl, and flown home. I really think W actually worked with Osama to pull off 9/11. I also guess that all of those that knew of this are 'no longer with us', except of couse the puppet master.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:22 PM

31. Right after that guy ran down the steps of the Supreme Court,...

I turned to my brother and said, "That's it! We're going to war."

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:59 PM

33. I was not that clairvoyant or perssimistic

I thought Bush's 911 speech was crap. I thought, and still think that somebody INSIDE his administration was responsible for the anthrax attacks. I was sickened when Lott and Daschle stood there and Lott said "there's no opposition party". When Bush said a few days later that Americans should "return to normal activities" I said that my normal activity was to be critical of Bush policies and that I was happy to return to that.

But I was not against the invasion of Afghanistan.

I thought Iraq probably did have WMD, but that did not make them any more of an imminent threat than Russia's WMD that I grew up with.

I thought the invasion of Iraq would produce many more US casualties and that the blow-back from that would drum Bush out of office.

I thought Bush was doing such a bad job as President that a majority of Americans were aware of it and that he would lose 2004 so badly that he might, like Goldwater and Hoover and Landon - even lose in Kansas.

I hate the word bipartisan when it means that BOTH parties vote for a piece of crap like the Obama tax cuts that NEITHER party should vote for, and am disgusted that there is so little public opposition from the left. Or at least so little that is allowed on the M$M.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:40 PM

35. Before Bush even stole the 2000 election

I told friends that if he managed to win the election (stealing it wasn't even on my radar) we would be digging out from the rubble he would leave behind for decades, perhaps even generations to come.

Man, I had no idea...

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:04 PM

36. Are you from Texas? If so, you knew even before the events you outlined...

I tried to tell people I knew that he was a fucking moron, but no, they didn't listen, they instead sided with the hate being spewed at "dull" Mr. Gore.

I knew about his failed businesses, I knew how he cheated a family out of their farm and land to get the rangers stadium built. Anyone paying attention knew all that.

But sadly, the rest of the nation chose to be slack jawed morons and eat up the propaganda by fox news and their ilk.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:05 PM

37. I think anyone who really paid attention would have known most of these things.

Bush blew any cover he might have had when he pulled the investigators out of Iraq because they didn't find WMD and then said Sadaam flouted the UN resolutions. Think his actions with continuing to read when it was obvious the country was under attack, and him putting the bin Ladens on a plane and not letting them be interviewed first were pretty telling. Also think it was telling that even 2 hrs. later planes were still flying with terrorists and the air force, which had a few seconds lead to get planes in the air was just then responding? Funny, the guy in charge was the same one who let W do political things and not report for duty for years when he was in the Guard, and he wasn't fired or even in trouble for this grave lapse. W also passed a rule that there would be no checking of anyone from Saudi Arabia coming to America, even when that country is a bastion and training group for terrorist. So several (think it was several, know at least 1 for sure) terrorist from Saudi ARabia who were on the terrorist watch list were allowed into the country with no questions.

So many smoking guns, so little investigation.

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Response to Atticus (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:13 PM

38. I'm in agreement with every one of your points.

I warned everyone I knew that he was vastly under-qualified during the campaign of selection 2000, working in a conservative office, I was outnumbered.

My ex-wife even told me if Bush wasn't smart enough to be President he could hire smarter people to work for him, how can you argue with that!?

My last words before going to sleep on election night when the corporate media called Florida for Bush was "God help us all!"

I knew we were in deep shit from the get go.

Thanks for the thread, Atticus.

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