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Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:20 PM

Just when I thought I'd heard it all from Freepers

They go and discuss Barnes and Noble's announced store closures:

The real problem is one of socialism. Government-run, taxpayer-supported public libraries prevent private business from operating bookstores and newsstands at a profit. A subsidized industry has a built-in advantage over entrepreneurship every time.

Ben Franklin's original lending library was a private enterprise with volunteers exchanging reading matter. It wasn't a state-run outfit like the public libraries of today. Moreover, public libraries are hangouts for stinking third-world types and the homeless. It's not a realistic scenario but I'd really like to see the government get out of the book and periodical business, thus allowing free enterprise to flourish in that sector.


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Reply Just when I thought I'd heard it all from Freepers (Original post)
Proud Public Servant Jan 2013 OP
stevenleser Jan 2013 #1
CanonRay Jan 2013 #2
Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #4
lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #3
Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #5
TXDemoGal Jan 2013 #6
Initech Jan 2013 #7
bunnies Jan 2013 #8
Kber Jan 2013 #9
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #10
mac56 Jan 2013 #11
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #20
Still Sensible Jan 2013 #12
IggleDoer Jan 2013 #29
LeftInTX Jan 2013 #13
lame54 Jan 2013 #14
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #17
denverbill Jan 2013 #15
IggleDoer Jan 2013 #31
justiceischeap Jan 2013 #16
Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2013 #18
hootinholler Jan 2013 #19
Mister Ed Jan 2013 #21
Oilwellian Jan 2013 #22
Brickbat Jan 2013 #23
Scuba Jan 2013 #24
Erose999 Jan 2013 #25
hogwyld Jan 2013 #32
DetlefK Jan 2013 #26
liberal N proud Jan 2013 #27
rurallib Jan 2013 #28
bluedigger Jan 2013 #30

Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:22 PM

1. We cannot have autodidactic masses. That doesnt work in the world that Freepers want to create.

This does not surprise me at all. It is an ideology run amok.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:24 PM

2. Carnegie, one of the foremost Capitalists

spent millions setting up libraries all over the country. Our new brand of Freeper Capitalists are just cheap bastards.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:27 PM

4. No they are selfish mean spirited pricks each and every one of them

 

And that is the nicest thing I can say about em too.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:26 PM

3. ... which explains Faux News' very existence.



"A subsidized industry has a built-in advantage over entrepreneurship every time. "


Faux has been subsidized by the RNC right from the start
and by BushCo during their eight year reign of terror.


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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:28 PM

5. As a fresh smelling "3rd world type" who still uses the library on occasion I'm only mildly offended

by that ignorant mouth breather's statement.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:30 PM

6. Vile

Like you said, just when you thought you've heard it all.

"...stinking third world types..." Would that be the crime of Reading While Brown?

Oh, and the Freeper should tell it to Andrew Carnegie (who, of course, is long dead, but I'm sure you get my point).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_library
(see in particular the section "The Carnegie Formula")

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:33 PM

7. I think I finally figured out where the term "low information voter" comes from!

It has nothing to do with the meteoric rise of tablets and e readers that have led to decreases in sales of printed copies. Nope it's them dang socalist librararies!!!

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:34 PM

8. I dont think 'books' when I think third-world.

I think 'guns & violence'. huh.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:35 PM

9. The REAL problem that the "author" is relying on political views, rather than reality

to diagnose the problem. Personally, I'll bet the reason Barnes and Nobel is closing retail outlets is that Amazon has redefined how books are sold and distributed and large, generic retailers like Barnes and Nobel just aren't competitive in today's market.

This is an example of the free market, not government, influencing how goods are bought, sold and distributed.

Now, whether that is or isn't a problem isn't my point. My point is that if you do see it as a problem, the root is not with any "socialistic" distribution of books or knowledge. If you refuse to properly diagnose the problem, you aren't going to have much luck with a solution. This is true whether you are talking about how to protect children from gun violence or grow the economy or a whole host of other challenges facing us right now. If ideology blinds you to the root cause, and thus to actual, workable solutions, you can't really be part of the conversation (unless throwing poo counts, I guess).

And besides, libraries predate the rise and fall of Barnes and Nobel by a couple of centuries or so.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:37 PM

10. The public library system is putting private booksellers out of business?

Really?

BTW I heard some Indiana state lawmakers once (seriously) suggest that the public library system was putting video store chains (i.e. Blockbuster) at a disadvantage. As if............... I mean, having a few select movies/tv shows on their shelves available to check out is no match for Blockbuster's catalog.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:41 PM

11. Charles Schulz: decades ahead of his time

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Response to mac56 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:30 PM

20. Sally is Ann Coulter

I knew it.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:44 PM

12. As the Rude one might say

these motherfuckers are crazy.

And they're wrong. Anybody with half a brain, and I realize that eliminates he vast majority of the assholes in FreeperLand, understands that pubic libraries have nothing to do with this. Barnes & Noble, Borders and their competitors thrived for years despite public libraries. This happened because of the continuing growth of two things--the Internet in general and E-Books, Kindle, etc. in particular.

These neanderthals are a special level of stupid!

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Response to Still Sensible (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:47 AM

29. But, wasn't the internet originally a government program?!?!?!?

n/t

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:44 PM

13. I wonder if this is something they heard from Rushbo

Rush actually blamed anti-smoking for our huge budget deficit.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:01 PM

14. So, to sum up...

B&N is going under because they couldn't crack the stinking third-world types and the homeless demographics

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Response to lame54 (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:11 PM

17. Not with their outrageously high prices

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I usually go there to window shop and then, if I really like something, I'll buy it from Amazon.com or any other place that sells for cheaper. If I just want to read it, I might get it from the library but the library doesn't necessarily have everything either. If I have a gift card, I might buy something from them (though I know it won't go very far at all). Otherwise, their prices are just so exorbitant.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:04 PM

15. How did Barnes and Noble compete with libraries for their first 100 years?

Haven't these morons ever heard of Amazon and e-books? Gee, I wonder which had a bigger impact on B&N's decline over the last 10-15 years? The massive build out and popularity of public libraries, or the internet?

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Response to denverbill (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:49 AM

31. Didn't B&N and Borders originally compete with the small book stores ...

... and put them out of business.

Now the e-book readers and the intertubes have done the same to the big box book stores.

Turn about is fair play.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:06 PM

16. That's right, only people with money are allowed to read!

People working low-wage jobs, that can't afford to buy books, no reading for you!

Asshole!

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:12 PM

18. I agree with you,

I'd thought I'd heard it all!

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:24 PM

19. Someone told me they hadn't heard of Amazon

I didn't believe them, but now...

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:11 PM

21. Yeah! And another thing:

Why are we continuing to maintain this socialistic, publicly-subsidized military?!! It's competing unfairly with hard-working, enterprising mercenaries!!



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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:35 PM

22. I loved taking my kids to the library when they were young

I wanted to instill in them a joy for reading, a sense of responsibility for taking care of something that didn't belong to them, and a sense of community when they participated in the library's storybook hour. These gathering places for culture and knowledge existed long before Barnes & Noble, and have nothing to do with their financial woes today. The freeper you quoted has probably never been to a library and it's no surprise he/she finds free knowledge revolting. They HATE intelligent people.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:37 PM

23. That's some serious trolling.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 08:43 AM

24. I'm a card carrying library member, and proud of it!

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 08:58 AM

25. Heres a fun info graphic that will bust some freeper heads:

<p><strong>Please include attribution to Open-Site.org with this graphic.</strong><br /><br />
<a href="http://open-site.org/blog/the-future-of-libraries/"><img src="" alt="The Future of Libraries" width="500" border="0" /></a></p>

Somebody ask the freep nuts about the advantage of subsidized industries like fossil fuels over green energy.

As far as libraries being a hangout for "undesirables", one of the leaders of our local Teabag party was caught downloading pron at the public library.

Freepers really are the worst kind of people.

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:50 AM

32. Back in 2009 after being laid off

My local library was the main resource I had to the outside world. It's where I went for job searches, and interacting with people. Talking to other people in the same boat as I was kind of therapeutic in a demented sort of way.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:08 AM

26. Free education is not a right, affordable health-care is not a right, but a gun is?

What's next?
"If only it wouldn't rain, then the private sector could sell water. Rivers and lakes are socialized water-supply."

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:08 AM

27. Honestly, I am surprised they allowed Libraries to remain public for this long

They are about privatizing everything and making a profit from it. It burns them when they see something that they can't make money from.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:32 AM

28. not laughing: Libraries are a target of ALEC

Wish I was kidding. They aren't a first order target, but a target nonetheless.
The plan here in Iowa is to cut property taxes to the point where all a city can provide is inadequate police protection.
No libraries, no pools, no graveyards, barely cleaning the streets.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:49 AM

30. This whole "civilization thing" just isn't for them.

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