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Mon Jan 28, 2013, 02:52 PM

Israel Follows In Nazi Footsteps, Forces Birth Control On African Jews

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Eugenics is the applied science of the bio-social movement which advocates the use of practices aimed at improving the genetic composition of a population, usually a human population. It is a social philosophy which advocates for the improvement of human hereditary traits through the promotion of higher reproduction of more desired people and traits, and the reduction of reproduction of less desired people and traits. (Wikipedia)





At its essence, the evil of eugenics is what the Holocaust was about. The Nazis were obsessed with racial purity and that meant eliminating all “undesirables” like Negros, homosexuals, gypsies and, of course, Jews. Millions were killed in adherence to this sick philosophy in which other races were somehow “inferior.” This was the end result of an escalating series of sanctions carried out against those deemed unworthy. But before the Final Solution was enacted, a series of forced sterilizations was systematically carried out with brutal efficiency. One of the darkest secrets of America’s involvement in World War II is that the Nazis learned the concept of eugenics from the United States. We had been quietly sterilizing “undesirables” for some time. An even darker secret is that we didn’t stop until the 1970s, thirty full years after we had learned the horror that eugenics had wrought. It is not unreasonable to think that the country of Israel would recoil in disgust at this kind of barbarism. Unbelievably, this is not the case. Over the weekend, the Israeli government, after repeated denials that Jewish women immigrating from Africa where given birth control injections without their knowledge or consent, changed their narrative. Via The Independent:


The government had previously denied the practice but the Israeli Health Ministry’s director-general has now ordered gynaecologists to stop administering the drugs. According a report in Haaretz, suspicions were first raised by an investigative journalist, Gal Gabbay, who interviewed more than 30 women from Ethiopia in an attempt to discover why birth rates in the community had fallen dramatically.

One of the Ethiopian women who was interviewed is quoted as saying: “They told us they are inoculations. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.” It is alleged that some of the women were forced or coerced to take the drug while in transit camps in Ethiopia.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html



In other words, this was a deliberate government program to suppress the growth of the black population in Israel. There is no indication that it would have been stopped had the program not been exposed. This is literally the same thing the Nazis did and for precisely the same reasons:


Nearly 100,000 Ethiopian Jews have moved to Israel under the Law of Return since the 1980s, but their Jewishness has been questioned by some rabbis. Last year, the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who also holds the health portfolio, warned that illegal immigrants from Africa “threaten our existence as a Jewish and democratic state.”



That the Israeli government would follow in the steps of the monsters that once tried to wipe the Jewish people from the face of the earth is sick on so many levels it is difficult to comprehend. The implicit racism is unquestionable and undeniable. That it was being carried out in secret is a clear indication the Netanyahu administration does not believe public opinion will be on its side. And for good reason; most Jews like myself, even if they were born decades after the Holocaust, have a keen awareness of the evils perpetrated during that time. A popular refrain, almost a mantra, is “Never Forget,” basically a short hand for, “Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.” How long was it before mandatory sterilizations were implemented? It is now clear that the Israeli government has forgotten the nightmare that the eugenics movement spawned. They can no longer claim, as they often do, to speak for the Jewish people, whether in Israel or throughout the world. Any Jew who would knowingly emulate the greatest evil the world has ever seen has lost their moral compass.





http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/28/israel-follows-in-nazi-footsteps-forces-birth-control-on-african-jews/

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Reply Israel Follows In Nazi Footsteps, Forces Birth Control On African Jews (Original post)
Segami Jan 2013 OP
PDJane Jan 2013 #1
Ian Iam Jan 2013 #18
Janecita Jan 2013 #30
pocoloco Jan 2013 #32
cali Jan 2013 #23
PDJane Jan 2013 #40
PatrynXX Jan 2013 #35
R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #59
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #2
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #4
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #7
RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #6
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #9
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #46
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #49
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #51
cali Jan 2013 #20
Matariki Jan 2013 #42
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #8
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Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #3
elleng Jan 2013 #27
Marrah_G Jan 2013 #5
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #10
redqueen Jan 2013 #15
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #16
TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #48
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #58
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malaise Jan 2013 #11
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Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #14
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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:04 PM

1. I have said that the Israelis learned well from the Nazis......

all the wrong lessons for all the wrong reasons. I've been slammed for saying so before, and will be slammed again, I'm sure. It's still close enough, and it pains me.

I no longer support zionist causes. I certainly don't agree with the conception of 'inferior' people.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:39 PM

18. Abused children really do grow up to emulate their abusers

 

Sad. And enraging.

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Response to Ian Iam (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:04 PM

30. I agree

They keep the Palestinians in concentration camps, don't follow international rules, kill American citizens, invade their neighbors and whine about Iran's nuclear program when they are themselves a nuclear power. They are hypocritical and bellicose, I wish we would stop protecting them.

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Response to Ian Iam (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:23 PM

32. As do nations

according to Eric Hoffer.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:48 PM

23. you've said a lot more than that.

and a lot of it is just plain old vile.

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Response to cali (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:48 PM

40. And you've whined every time I say something that has its roots in truth.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:25 PM

35. there's been a rise in Jews from that era

noting that the soldiers are acting like the Nazi's did. I'm hoping that the recent election pulls Israel from going that far to the right.

and Republicans support these? ouch

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Response to PDJane (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 08:09 PM

59. I'm not sure if I agree with the premise.


One group of assh*les do not necessarily need to learn from another group of assh*les. There is, I would suggest, divergent paths which can lead to the same behaviors or results. I would never suggest that the Israelis have learned anything from the Nazis in the realm of torture in an educational sense, but given that different nations, who have a reviled subculture/subclass or group, usually find ways to be even more brutal in their methodology and indifferent to suffering: regardless if they have suffered in the past.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:15 PM

2. It will be fascinating to see ....

... if this story can be verified as true.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:20 PM

4. At least part of it is from a respectable UK newspaper.

That said, it won't surprise me if this is the last we hear of it.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:30 PM

7. The only part that matters is from a decent newspaper. I was not referring to ...

... all the hyperbole and Nazi talk.

Still, this seems to be unfolding but very much worth watching. If true, this will be reflect badly on the Israelis.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:29 PM

6. Is Haaretz a good source?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-admits-ethiopian-women-were-given-birth-control-shots.premium-1.496519

A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:34 PM

9. I am unfamiliar with it.

However, if they have fan independent report (not just quoting the same story as the Guardian), then the story is sprouting legs.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:11 PM

46. Ha'Aretz is Israel's main center left paper

Started publication well before independence. They are reliable, heads should roll.

I hope the new Knesset has a few hearings. The most women in the history of Israel.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:32 PM

49. Wow. So this really is nasty.

Yeesh

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #49)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:35 PM

51. Yup, it is

They just had elections, so don't think it will go as far as a vote f confidence and new elections, but Israel has a few ahem...issues.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:45 PM

20. Yes. Haaretz is an excellent source.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:56 PM

42. That's Israel's main news source.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:31 PM

8. the article makes it pretty clear that the government has admitted it.

 


Israel has admitted for the first time that it has been giving Ethiopian Jewish immigrants birth-control injections, often without their knowledge or consent.

The government had previously denied the practice but the Israeli Health Ministry’s director-general has now ordered gynaecologists to stop administering the drugs. According a report in Haaretz, suspicions were first raised by an investigative journalist, Gal Gabbay, who interviewed more than 30 women from Ethiopia in an attempt to discover why birth rates in the community had fallen dramatically.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html


i'm not surprised; the us did similar things, as did countries in europe -- post ww2.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:35 PM

12. Yes. I read it.

Despite the precedent set by other countries, it's not a good thing. Making birth control freely available is one thing; forcing it on women and lying about it would be quite another.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:20 PM

3. Uh, I humbly suggest you watch out regarding this post.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:57 PM

27. Irs been tested/challenged/alerted,

and it wasn't hidden.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:26 PM

5. This is one of the more disturbing stories I've heard in a while

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:35 PM

10. Just to make it clear, the US did this kind of thing into the 1970s, and beyond that

 

in territories like Puerto Rico.

So if you're going to call Israelis Nazis, be aware that Americans are also Nazis.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:19 PM

15. It is likely that most people here are aware...

Many even know about Operation Paperclip, I bet.

Did anyone call Israelis Nazis? I think it is just a comparison of goals and tactics.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:22 PM

16. "follows in nazi footsteps" = so yes.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:29 PM

48. So if you ever walked between the rails you'd be a trolley car?

 

"Behave" and "be" are two different words.

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 07:22 PM

58. that's the ticket.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:47 PM

22. Of course we are. From Prescott and his clan all the way to the present-day rethugs.

 

America was "founded" on genocide.
It is something the US is very good at, while professing otherwise.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:35 PM

11. The abused often become the abuser

Jimmy Carter is one of the few fearless person not afraid to speak the truth re Israel

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 03:47 PM

13. Someone needs to go to prison.

This is abhorrent.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:10 PM

14. Well, don't worry. The Tea Party will put and end to this. You know how much they hate

birth control and Nazis.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:26 PM

17. I so wanted to post this yesterday but figured it would just get hidden anyway.

 

How does Israel keep getting away with this kind of thing?

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Response to DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:54 PM

25. Because we enable them!!!

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:42 PM

19. I'm not a citizen of America

 

But, surely, you are beginning to realise that you're financing a borderline-fascist regime.

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Response to Ian Iam (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:47 PM

21. Well, we finance lots of them. And you Brits aren't much better.

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Response to cali (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:52 PM

24. What foreign country has the most disproportionately-high influence

 

over U.S. foreign policy? Please answer honestly before having me banned.

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Response to Ian Iam (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:57 PM

26. Israel of course!

We are Israel's bitch

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Response to Janecita (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:00 PM

29. Yep

We are.

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Response to Ian Iam (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:47 PM

55. Israel, the Gulf States and Britain.

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Response to Ian Iam (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:23 PM

33. Well, I guess that's an improvement?

I mean usually we're funneling money to outright fascist regimes. Y'know, Pinochet, Hussein, Suharto, the Saudis, Pap Doc and Trujillo, the Taliban, Park Chung-Hee, etc.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:25 PM

36. See reply 24, please.

 

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Response to Ian Iam (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:29 PM

37. Given our Homeland Security nonsense and a bunch of other things I could list,

both we & Israel probably count as borderline-fascist.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:00 PM

28. How dare you criticize Israel?!

You disgusting anti-Semite!

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:18 PM

31. Just an example

Of the oppressed, becoming the oppressor!

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:24 PM

34. Can't wait to see how the apoligists for Israel's government

spin this one.

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Response to Chakab (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:00 PM

44. Check out the running thread in the I/P forum

and prepare for shock...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:15 PM

47. Like the gungeon

That's a place I avoid, this one, will get waders on...I suspect that shit is piled high.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:36 PM

38. Started in England .. I thought?

One of the darkest secrets of America’s involvement in World War II is that the Nazis learned the concept of eugenics from the United States.


I always thought the concept originated as a pseudoscience in England with Herbert Spencer and Sir Francis Galton leading the way in the late 1800's and called "social darwinism" as well as eugenics. It started rather harmlessly with the encouragement of people with good genes to mate and have offspring, but soon degenerated to the point where the Brits were paying bounties for dead bushmen in Africa. The idea soon spread to other European countries and to the US. It is one of the darker sides of American and progressive politics with Margaret Sanger initially embracing the theory as justification for birth control. Forced sterilization was adopted by law and found constitutional by the Courts in the early to middle 1900's. It was not really until the horrors of the holocaust were revealed that this pseudoscience began is quick departure from the American scene.

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Response to legaleagle_45 (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:57 PM

43. It did start in England,

But it was Prescott Bush who passed it on to Germany; it had a fine following in the US, and was quite popular in the 20's and 30's.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:37 PM

39. Sigh...

 

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:54 PM

41. Reminded me of this song

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:08 PM

45. This is what shows how rotten people can become

And fwy the founder of Zionism would be more than just horrified.

One more reason why these days I abhor organized religion and rank racism. Israel has ad issues between the Ashkenazi and Sepharadic Jews, this, given the history, is all but surprising. Sadly...I know.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:34 PM

50. Absolutely disgusting rhetoric in this OP.

Shameful, and not worthy of response.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:40 PM

52. but you offered one nonetheless, utterly devoid of real substance...

...or argument. Which point(s) in the OP do you disagree with? What evidence can you offer for your perspective? Or was this just a drive-by defense of apartheid?

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:42 PM

53. The Israeli government has admitted to this

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:43 PM

54. Can I ask what you think the problem with it is?

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:48 PM

56. So you're in denial about what actually happened?

Sorry about that.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:58 PM

57. This is beyond the pale. I will no longer support anything Israel does.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:17 PM

60. Locking

A consensus has been reached that this does not fit the SoP of this Forum.

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