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Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:53 AM

Has anyone watched the movie, Lincoln?

And what was your opinion?

Did you find it thought-provoking?

Personally, it was close to the history as I imagined it? When he was assassinated, there was a mess to clean up. What followed was Reconstruction and KKK and Jim Crow laws, and continued division and hatred until our present generations, going back to about the late 1940's, although some still harbor these hatreds and resentment thru the present, imo.

Would the 13th Amendment ever have passed if not for Lincoln?

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Reply Has anyone watched the movie, Lincoln? (Original post)
kentuck Jan 2013 OP
Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #1
kentuck Jan 2013 #4
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #11
AngryAmish Jan 2013 #2
geomon666 Jan 2013 #3
Cirque du So-What Jan 2013 #5
nevergiveup Jan 2013 #6
Ichingcarpenter Jan 2013 #7
frazzled Jan 2013 #8
kentuck Jan 2013 #10
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #9

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:56 AM

1. I thought the movie was great and very accurate

and I can't wait for the prequels.

The mess you're talking about should be covered in "Johnson: A Man From Tennessee."

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:07 AM

4. I think Johnson would be an interesting story...

from an actual historical concept. The mess was too big for one man to clean up at that time in our history, I would think? Carpetbaggers and Reconstruction were not popular and created more problems than they were ready to handle. Northern troops could not police the South. And simply changing the laws did not change people's attitudes. I don't know that an accurate history has ever been written. Many folks at that time thought Lincoln was a tyrant.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:16 AM

11. Johnson was a mess - nobody trusted him.

He was the wrong man for the wrong time. On the one hand he dealt with the south in some ways as Lincoln might well have; but because he was a southerner, the Congress completely distrusted and tried to impeach him. He couldn't win.

That said, he wasn't a champion for black voting rights by any definition. He was more concerned with protecting southern whites than blacks. SO it's not like he was a saint.

Bryant

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:04 AM

2. What is it about?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:04 AM

3. Weren't nuff explosions

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:16 AM

5. I was disappointed

Not one mention of his vampire-hunting activities

Actually, I haven't seen the movie, but I recently finished the book Team of Rivals, authored by Doris Kearns Goodwin, which served as a foundation for the movie. What amazed me was the amount of resistance to overturning slavery outright - even within the Republican party of that time. In retrospect, it's a minor miracle that the 13th Amendment obtained ratification. With a lesser human at the helm of the ship of state, it's within the realm of possibility that a shooting war may not have occurred and that slavery may have survived intact in the slave states.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:23 AM

6. I totally loved it.

The best movie I have seen in years.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:40 AM

7. Didn't like the beginning

Black and white troops reciting the Gettysburg Address fresh off the battle field... OK hollywood license.

Lincoln refused for a year and a half to give black soldiers equal pay with whites, presumably so as not to offend the whites with the suggestion that blacks were their equals. Blacks got only half the pay that went to the lowest ranks of white soldiers. Only after blacks threatened mutiny (and after several were hanged for protesting the unequal pay) did blacks in uniform get their due.



Fredrick Douglas was hardly noted.

I watched Lincoln then Ken Burns Civil War within two days.


That being said I would suggest both movies as companions.


Both are worth your time.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:03 AM

8. The most thought-provoking aspect for me was ...

the moral decision he faced and how he approached it. He could have ended the bloodshed and preserved the Union once the CSA was willing to negotiate an end to the hostilities, and many of his own advisors and party members were urgently pressing him to do so. But he knew the 13th Amendment would never get passed without the leverage the continuing war placed on all the parties. So he had to choose continued fighting and death, which is pretty awful, over the achievement of this fundamental issue. And he had to lie to Congress and buy off legislators to get it done. But the idea that the war would have been for nothing had it not been preserved in law (as opposed to his "Emancipation Proclamation") prevailed.

It was thought-provoking that this was not about idealism, particularly, but about legal and legislative questions.

It was thought-provoking that this was not the usual Spielberg schmaltz and bombast. I give a lot of credit for that to Tony Kushner, for the subtlety and complexity of the screenplay.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:14 AM

10. Yes, he was using the war as leverage to get the 13th Amendment passed

I agree The after effects of the war lasted for generations and still today. History is written by the victors, as we know.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:13 AM

9. I thought it was very strong - I liked how it played him as a politician

And showed that for all his compassion he was a pretty cold person in a lot of ways (particularly towards his son). I think that it has a narrow focus which some people have criticized (in particular his shifting positions on Slavery and Black Equality are not really dealt with, which lead some to accuse the film of white-washing him).

Bryant

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