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Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:30 PM

George Will: Women in combat ‘dumbing down the standards’ because of ‘anatomical facts’



By David Edwards
Sunday, January 27, 2013 15:04 EST

Conservative columnist George Will on Sunday argued that women should not be allowed in combat because of “certain anatomical facts,” ignoring that ABC Senior Foreign Affairs Correspondent Martha Raddatz had pointed out that she interviewed female service members who were capable of carrying “6-foot, 4-inch Marines.”

Appearing on an ABC News panel, Will told Raddatz that the military was effectively lowering the bar by lifting the ban on women in combat, even though the Pentagon had said both men and women would be subjected to the same physical standards.

“That’s what they always say,” Will opined. “Let me give you an example. No Child Left Behind said we’re going to have 100 percent proficiency by 2014 in reading and math in the schools. And the scary thing is we might because the only way we’ll get there is because is by dumbing down the standards, which is actually underway. The question is, will we change the physical fitness requirements so that we don’t have a disparate impact? Are we going to gender norm the requirements?”

“Give you an example, you’ve been out, Martha, in these combat zones?” he continued. “You’re a 6-foot, 4-inch, 240-pound Marine and you’re injured and you need the Marine next to you to carry you back to safety, and the Marine next to you is 5-foot woman who weighs 115 pounds. It’s relevant.”

“Okay, can I tell you something, though, George,” Raddatz interrupted. “I’ve met a lot of combat medics who are women, who rappel down, who pick up big 6-foot, 4-inch Marines and take them to safety. I just interviewed a woman…”

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/27/george-will-women-in-combat-dumbing-down-the-standards-because-of-anatomical-facts/

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Reply George Will: Women in combat ‘dumbing down the standards’ because of ‘anatomical facts’ (Original post)
DonViejo Jan 2013 OP
Downwinder Jan 2013 #1
DonViejo Jan 2013 #7
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #12
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #2
Still Sensible Jan 2013 #28
Th1onein Jan 2013 #3
pkdu Jan 2013 #4
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #5
bemildred Jan 2013 #6
fascisthunter Jan 2013 #8
DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #9
rocktivity Jan 2013 #10
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #11
ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #13
KansDem Jan 2013 #14
Downwinder Jan 2013 #18
July Jan 2013 #34
Lex Jan 2013 #15
asjr Jan 2013 #16
Nine Jan 2013 #17
leveymg Jan 2013 #19
shenmue Jan 2013 #31
Paladin Jan 2013 #20
sad-cafe Jan 2013 #21
randome Jan 2013 #22
Initech Jan 2013 #23
Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #24
obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #25
spanone Jan 2013 #26
yellowcanine Jan 2013 #27
yellowcanine Jan 2013 #29
shenmue Jan 2013 #30
Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #32
undeterred Jan 2013 #33
sarisataka Jan 2013 #35

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:37 PM

1. Mind if I ask what Will's military experience is?

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:46 PM

7. I just checked his Wikipedia listing...

no mention of military service. So, I would guess he's another, "send YOUR son/brother/husband to war but not me" type of guy. I didn't realize he's 71 years old...and has a degree in Religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Will

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:57 PM

12. Well he does have the Cheeto Cross for being a mighty keyboard warrior

 

of the Lay-Z-Boy Division in the Chickhawk Brigade.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:39 PM

2. Is George Will just assuming standards will be lowered, or is there actually a plan to do so?

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:28 PM

28. I've seen military people saying very clearly

that standards will not be dumbed down.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:40 PM

3. What an ass. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:42 PM

4. George Will....he's so 1870s. Wonder what his column said when Rumsfeld propaganda machine was

Rolling out the Jessica Lynch story 24/7.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:42 PM

5. George is one of those guys that likely wouldn't have passed the test

to be in combat. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But, many men 25% don't make it. It might end up being less than half women making it, we won't know until a lot more women try to get into combat roles.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:43 PM

6. George is way past his expiration date. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:49 PM

8. George Will: a dorky republican dweeb who always wanted to be a "man"

but never understood what that actually meant.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:52 PM

9. I have a friend who is 5'6" and weighs 145 lbs

She can deadlift 275 and benchpress 300. In October, she set two world records in two days. I cannot begin to imagine what she could do in an adrenalized situation.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:53 PM

10. Rocktivity: George Will Dumbing Down The Standards

Of Standard Journalism


rocktivity

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:54 PM

11. Did Mr. Will serve in anything else than the 101st

Keyboard commandos? I remember the exact same arguments when women joined police forces and fire Units.

Before anybody says it at one point I could lift 200 pounds of dead weight.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:00 PM

13. Tell that to my daughter Sir Will of The Ass

She was an exemplary soldier during her time in the military, served her country well, and you've just insulted a decorated soldier.

Are you repukes EVER going to learn to stop hating women, or is the crazy gone just too far?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:03 PM

14. Maybe he's channeling Newt Gingrich...

On the military

If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.

Address, "Renewing American Civilization," Reinhardt College (7 January 1995)


http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich


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Response to KansDem (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:45 PM

18. Guess Newt is going to kick all those males out of the cockpit.

All they do is sit.

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Response to KansDem (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:21 PM

34. Dear Newt Gingrich,

What in HELL do you know about ditches, combat, female infections, or hunting giraffes?

And are the "infections" you mention in the context of 30-days-in-a-ditch a little thing called menstruation, which women have dealt with for millennia?

Best wishes that you will STFU,

Women Living in Reality

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:08 PM

15. He'd be the type of person who would've said the same thing about African Americans

and the integration of our armed forces. Asshole.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:13 PM

16. When George finds out God is a woman, there will be hell to pay. (no pun intended)

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:14 PM

17. I think George "Debategate" Will dumbs down journalistic and ethical standards.

Why should anyone care what this asshole says?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:00 PM

19. Ok, George let's see you go 16 rounds against this lady, drunk or sober. You won't last one.

Barbara Buttrick fought bare-knuckled in the street, took on allcomers, drunk or sober, in rustic fair booths, and then any opponent she could find when forced to move to the United States to turn professional. Even after becoming the first recognised women’s world champion, she sought a further attainment. Successfully, too, for female boxing will finally become an Olympic sport next year. She will be 82 on Tuesday, stands barely 5 feet tall, and weighed only 98 pounds in her pomp . . .

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Response to leveymg (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:41 PM

31. Awesome!

I like her. I hope they make a DVD of her fight footage. I would sure like to see that.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:09 PM

20. Knuckle-Drag Yourself Into The 19th Century, George.


We'll work on the 20th century when (and if) you're comfortable doing so.....

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:14 PM

21. what a jerk

 

she put him in his place

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:15 PM

22. That was a given for Will. No surprise.

Another 'anatomical fact' for you, George: most women could wipe the floor with you.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:16 PM

23. Old white male complaining about the times changing. What's new?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:16 PM

24. The standards should simply reflect the JOB, not the people doing it.

It's insane to base the physical requirements of the job of combat infantry (for example) on anything other than what is required to perform the necessary tasks. How the people being considered for the job happen to have their plumbing arranged should never even enter into the discussion. Let the task determine the requirements, period.

If it turns out that fewer women will be qualified than men for reasons of physical strength (for example), then so be it...as long as those women who do meet the standards can still serve.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:21 PM

25. His squawking about gender-integrating shows it's the right thing

To do.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:22 PM

26. bwahahahahahaaa...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:27 PM

27. George Will is an example of dumbing down standards for political pundits.

That is all.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:34 PM

29. Why do they even give this loser face time anymore?

When was the last time George Will was right about anything?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:39 PM

30. A bullet is the same size for everyone

I think that's all the opposing army cares about.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:10 PM

32. He does know what he is talking about

look at how the republicans have dumbed down their party

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:13 PM

33. George Will probably thinks Cokie Roberts is a scary feminist.

His facts are a little sheltered.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:28 PM

35. Size matters

“You’re a 6-foot, 4-inch, 240-pound Marine and you’re injured and you need the Marine next to you to carry you back to safety, and the Marine next to you is 5-foot woman who weighs 115 pounds. It’s relevant.”

For a while I was paired with a Marine who would have been 5' and 115 lbs if HE stood on a box and had rocks in his pack. Not I am less than 6'4" and 240 but quite larger than he was. I told him if wounded I could carry him in my pocket; he said he would drag my ass to the Battallion Aid Station.
We got along just fine...

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