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Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:51 PM

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Reply Well?? (Original post)
madamesilverspurs Jan 2013 OP
lunatica Jan 2013 #1
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #4
lunatica Jan 2013 #13
Chorophyll Jan 2013 #20
cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #15
Lordquinton Jan 2013 #12
lunatica Jan 2013 #14
Lordquinton Jan 2013 #17
apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #2
EastKYLiberal Jan 2013 #18
gateley Jan 2013 #3
Recursion Jan 2013 #5
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #6
Lordquinton Jan 2013 #11
Walk away Jan 2013 #7
Jamaal510 Jan 2013 #8
Rainforestgoddess Jan 2013 #9
WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #10
triplepoint Jan 2013 #16
Ino Jan 2013 #19

Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:54 PM

1. I don't think there's a whole lot of thinking going on

Mostly there's a lot of emotional reactions. We gotta stop confusing the two.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:30 PM

4. It's a bit difficult not to have an "emotional reaction" when upwards of a thousand people,

many of them children, have been shot to death in the last MONTH.

Should we not react emotionally to violent death? And do emotions necessarily disable one's thinking apparatus?

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:56 PM

13. I said we must not confuse the two

I didn't attack anything, nor did I say emotional reactions are bad. See? Another emotional reaction to a perceived criticism.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 07:46 PM

20. I simply disagree with your implication that reacting to something with emotion is the equivalent of

thinking irrationally. Some of us are able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:58 PM

15. Difficult and useful are not antonyms

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Response to lunatica (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:49 PM

12. It's hard to think clearly when the person you are arguing with is holding a loaded weapon

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:58 PM

14. Well obviously

I simply said we shouldn't confuse thinking with emotional reactions. Did you think I was criticizing one or the other? I wasn't in case you care to know.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:52 PM

17. Just pointing out how hard it is to keep things on an intellectual level

on top of the 24/7 drum beats from fox and the like keeping things on the emotional level, you can't really fault us when we get caught up in it from time to time.

Plus any reasonable debate gets immediately turned into BAN BAN BAN by the gun lobby. we're fighting a massive uphill battle from within and without, and we're only human.

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Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:55 PM

2. That pretty much sums up the callous, "get over it" attitude of the gun lobby, and their

defenders here on DU: "we don't give a damn how many kids have to die so we can keep fondling our deadly little toys, the 2nd amendment tell me so!!!!!!!!111"

Meanwhile, the carnage on our streets thanks to the gun culture rages unabated. The pro-NRA folks make decent human beings everywhere sick to their stomachs. They support a monstrous, racist cause.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:55 PM

18. It takes a pretty pathetic person to defend these types of weapons after Newtown. nt

 

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Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:18 PM

3. What our forefathers were thinking is a world apart from the challenges we're faced with today

because of this amendment. They never could have forseen this current world.

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Response to gateley (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:32 PM

5. True; they had a much much higher murder rate back then (nt)

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Response to gateley (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:35 PM

6. We arent held to whatever we think our founders thought anyways.

The founders thought that women shouldnt vote. They thought citizens needed to be 21 years of age to vote. Some thought slavery was ok. We have done a lot of changes and interpretations since the Constitution was written.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:48 PM

11. The founders thought it would last 15 years

20 tops.

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Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:40 PM

7. When Gun Manufacturers AND Gun Owners have been paying their lobbiest...

(the NRA) to write bills to outlaw the facts about gun violence and then buy politicians to pass them, Americans don't know what to think. Those days are over. In the coming years the flood gates are going to open with REAL facts and figures about guns in America. The country is about to have it's eyes open and gun lovers better get ready for a huge drop in popularity.

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Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:03 PM

8. What I want to know is how come

the framers included the right to keep and bear arms in the Constitution, but they didn't include a right for everyone to at least have health care? Everyone needs health care in order to live and to even enjoy things like their right to liberty and happiness. What were they thinking?

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:20 PM

9. They were thinking

You could trade a chicken to the doctor for some care, not that there would be multi million dollar equipment and bankrupting levels of health care.

It's really the other side of the muskets vs machine guns argument. They couldn't predict the future, and the rules haven't changed to reflect that.

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Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:29 PM

10. Why have we let it get so out of hand?

We watched gangs arm themselves in our cities and did nothing meaningful to stop them, why?
We watched gun accidents rise across our country and did nothing meaningful to reverse them, why?
We watched the rise of violent games and movie content and did nothing, why?
We were told that being strong and having the largest military in the world would make us free, why did we believe those lies?
Are you ready to change that now?

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Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:42 PM

16. NRA Board of Directors--Here's the List

 

Here is the current Board of Directors for the NRA (has non-profit status at present). Time to "reel them in" with the long arm of the Law. Call them out. Birds of a feather flock together...so to speak...

Joe M. Allbaugh
William H. Allen
Dr. Thomas P. Arvas
Scott L. Bach
William A. Bachenberg
Frank E. Bachhuber Jr.
M. Carol Bambery
Bob Barr
Ronnie G. Barrett
Clel Baudler
David E. Bennett
J. Kenneth Blackwell
Matt Blunt
Dan Boren
Robert K. Brown
Pete Brownell
Dave Butz
J. William "Bill" Carter
Ted W. Carter
Richard Childress
Patricia A. Clark
Allan D. Cors
Charles L. Cotton,
David G. Coy
Larry E. Craig John L. Cushman
William H. Dailey
Joseph P. Debergalis Jr.
R. Lee "The Gunny" Ermey
Edie P. Fleeman
Joel Friedman
Sandra S. Froman
Tom Gaines
James S. Gilmore III
Marion P. Hammer
Maria Heil
Graham Hill
Stephen D. Hornady
Susan Howard
Roy Innis
H. Joaquin Jackson
Curtis S. Jenkins
David A. Keene
Tom King
Herbert A. "Herb" Lanford Jr.
Karl A. Malone
Carolyn Dodgen Meadows
John F. Milius
Bill Miller
Owen Buz Mills
Cleta Mitchell Grover G. Norquist
Oliver L. North
Robert "Bob" Nosler
Johnny Nugent
Ted Nugent
Lance Olson
Timothy W. Pawol
James W. Porter II
Peter "Jay" Printz
Todd J. Rathner
Wayne Anthony Ross
Carl T. Rowan Jr.
Dr. Don Saba
Robert E. Sanders
William H. Satterfield
Ronald L. Schmeits
Tom Selleck
John C. Sigler
Leroy Sisco
Dwight D. Van Horn
Linda Walker
Howard J. "Walt" Walter
J.D. Williams
Robert J. Wos
Don E. Young

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Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:55 PM

19. Frame it as an issue of second-hand gunsmoke

and how that kills innocent people. Worked for cigarettes.

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