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Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:06 PM

RIP Howard Zinn

Howard Zinn passed away three years ago today, on January 27, 2010. Sorely missed, never forgotten. His legacy continues.

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Reply RIP Howard Zinn (Original post)
HarveyDarkey Jan 2013 OP
Cirque du So-What Jan 2013 #1
HarveyDarkey Jan 2013 #3
Cirque du So-What Jan 2013 #6
Sugarcoated Jan 2013 #24
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #2
joelz Jan 2013 #4
riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #5
CrispyQ Jan 2013 #7
hfojvt Jan 2013 #10
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #8
localroger Jan 2013 #19
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #22
jsr Jan 2013 #9
LoisB Jan 2013 #11
WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #20
SQUEE Jan 2013 #12
Solly Mack Jan 2013 #13
RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #14
Th1onein Jan 2013 #15
xocet Jan 2013 #16
QC Jan 2013 #25
MinM Jan 2013 #26
dsc Jan 2013 #28
xocet Jan 2013 #32
leveymg Jan 2013 #17
WillyT Jan 2013 #18
freshwest Jan 2013 #21
Rhiannon12866 Jan 2013 #23
patrice Jan 2013 #27
DeSwiss Jan 2013 #29
LittleBlue Jan 2013 #30
kooljerk666 Jan 2013 #31
HarveyDarkey Jan 2013 #33
Fight2Win Jan 2013 #34

Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:12 PM

1. Coincidentally, I posted just last night

about his iconic People's History. I take every opportunity to promote that work.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:15 PM

3. A book that should be in everyone's library

I missed that post, could I have a link?

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:18 PM

6. Here it is

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2266234

It wasn't an OP, but I still saw an opportunity to tout his work.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:43 PM

24. Hey, I'm reading that book

I'm in the first couple chapters . . . I have to take it in small chunks. It's a lot of truth to take in.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:15 PM

2. Best.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:16 PM

4. Your country lost a true treasure 3 years

ago. I miss him a lot these days. The Zinn education project site has a great deal of good information. I read this before going to see Lincoln.

http://zinnedproject.org/posts/19018

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:17 PM

5. Pay tribute by buying his books

RIP Howard Zinn

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:20 PM

7. Mr. Fish's tribute to Zinn:



One of my faves.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:49 PM

10. I would have preferred "peasant's revolt"

it's a variation where one side has 8 pawns and a king and the other side has 4 knights and a king.

interesting game, because unlike most games, the two sides do NOT start out even. The knights, IIRC, have a slight advantage. So much so, in fact, that when I played the computer at a certain level, I could not ever win.

But playing a loert level player, he swore that the pawns had the advantage.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:29 PM

8. I owe him a debt...

In ninth grade, history we studied the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I said the second bombing was completely unnecessary. I think I might have also called it mass murder or something. It was a horrific act in any case. My teacher and I argued more than once about it. In my case it became a shouting match. To her credit she didn't send me to the principles office or lower my grade or anything petty like that. But, she was trenchant in her arguments and impervious to reason.

It was a decade later and I was in college I found Zinn's book A People's History of the United States. I read the whole thing with horror, because of how much abuse that has been heaped on so many people. And gratitude, because much of what I suspected was being acknowledged with footnotes and everything. But, when I came to the chapter on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I cried. I knew it was mass murder and here it was spelled out the whys, the hows, and it was unmistakable truth. I was vindicated, but I didn't celebrate that for even a second.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:03 PM

19. Richard Rhodes made a similar case

Actually, in The Making of the Atomic Bomb Rhodes goes further and suggests that Hiroshima and possibly even the Trinity test were stupid and unnecessary and essentially created the escalating terror of the Cold War. It turns out that once you know it is possible to build nuclear weapons it's not all that difficult to figure out how if you have the resources of even a medium-sized nation at your disposal. But it's so ridiculously expensive that if we hadn't proven it is possible, it's very unlikely anyone else would ever have gone to the expense to find out.

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Response to localroger (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:54 PM

22. If or when the US is no longer a nation, I don't think history will treat us kindly...

Not where nuclear weapons are concerned. And not where US corps outsource slavery.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:35 PM

9. R.I.P.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:54 PM

11. We sure could use his voice now.

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Response to LoisB (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:06 PM

20. His voice, is now our voices.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:00 PM

12. I continue to give out "A Peoples History" as gifts

at Christmas and for birthdays every year..
it is incredibly good for kick starting questions in a life of uncritical acceptance of the established narrative.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:37 PM

13. I miss his voice.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:39 PM

14. Just finished his 'Power Governments Cannot Suppress'

One of my favorite authors. Brilliant, inspiring man.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:54 PM

15. A People's History of the United States was required reading in my freshman

college History class. It is what made me a liberal.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:29 PM

16. RIP Howard Zinn... Do Recall NPR's Hit Piece in Rememberance of Zinn....

Activist Historian Howard Zinn's Obit Causes a Firestorm
by Alicia C. Shepard
February 04, 2010 10:39 AM

...

And that's what hundreds said about a Jan. 28 remembrance of Howard Zinn, the activist historian who died Jan. 27.

Zinn was decidedly left of the American political spectrum and the first to say he was biased. His best-known book, "A People's History of the United States: 1492 to Present," was a surprise best-seller. It told history from the point of view of those who had been vanquished or oppressed by the powerful.

Zinn, 87, died of a heart attack last Wednesday while on a speaking tour in California. NPR scrambled to get something on the air for All Things Considered (ATC) the next night.

The four-minute piece by Allison Keyes quoted three sources: two who praised Zinn and one, David Horowitz, who was harshly critical. It was the commentary by Horowitz that led Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), a left-leaning media watchdog group, to initiate a campaign that resulted in over 1,600 emails, over 100 phone calls and 108 comments on npr.org. Others complained on air.

...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2010/02/howard_zinns_obit.html


Should one ever have the opportunity to broadcast an obituary for Alison Keyes - it should definitely include a "balanced" segment that as vitriolically as possible states the following:

"There is absolutely nothing in her intellectual output that is worthy of any kind of respect. Keyes represents a fringe mentality which has unfortunately seduced millions of people at this point in time. So she did certainly alter the consciousness of millions of younger people for the worse."


Howard Zinn definitely deserved better than Keyes' brand of journalism.

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Response to xocet (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:47 PM

25. NPR = Nice Polite Republicans n/t

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Response to xocet (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:31 AM

28. I don't know if you read the whole link you gave as your first link

but I did and followed it to their obit of Buckley, what a huge difference.

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Response to dsc (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:00 AM

32. Yes, indeed - what a difference! n/t

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:33 PM

17. Best Professor I ever had.

He lived what he taught - nonviolence, love, and compassion. The world's a better place for him.

Maybe, a little rubbed off on us.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:54 PM

18. K & R !!!


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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:46 PM

21. I review this by Howard Zinn when things look their worst:

To be hopeful in bad times is not just foolishly romantic. It is based on the fact that human history is a history not only of cruelty, but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness.

What we choose to emphasize in this complex history will determine our lives. If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something.

If we remember those times and places—and there are so many—where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibility of sending this spinning top of a world in a different direction.

And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand Utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.


~ Howard Zinn


Thanks for reminding us of this beautiful soul.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:21 PM

23. K&R! We're sure missing his courageous and intelligent voice...

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:19 AM

27. I have Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States on my iPod & I listen to his words,

though I've read the book and have listened to the audio book all of the way through already, at least 2-3 times a week, wherever I happen to pick the recording up, no matter how many times I've heard a passage before, I continue to be surprised at the depth and multiple-dimensions of the stories about us that Howard Zinn tells.

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 02:42 AM

29. K&R

“Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of leaders…and millions have been killed because of this obedience…Our problem is that people are obedient allover the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves… (and) the grand thieves are running the country. That’s our problem.” ― Howard Zinn

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 02:52 AM

30. RIP, great man

Such a contribution to popular history

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:31 AM

31. The day he died Democracy Now devoted a large chunk of show...............

 



All HZ interviews & such: http://www.democracynow.org/topics/howard_zinn

Special show on the day he passed on.........: http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/24/be_honest_about_the_history_of

I was watching DN on the day he passed & learned a lot.

I have not read him yet but I owe the library a visit.

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Response to kooljerk666 (Reply #31)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:05 PM

33. You owe the bookstore a visit

his books are not just one time reads, especially People's History

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Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:19 PM

34. there is a version of People's History for kids as well

 

great gift for kids!

Great way to show another perspective NEVER given in textbooks...

WE the People actually have a history of revolt and progress, a step backward here and there, but we fought for those steps forward!

Howard Zinn will never be forgotten, if I have anything to do with it....

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