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Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:49 PM

We just watch what they do, then do the opposite.

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Reply We just watch what they do, then do the opposite. (Original post)
Scuba Jan 2013 OP
SDjack Jan 2013 #1
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #6
truebluegreen Jan 2013 #2
MAD Dave Jan 2013 #3
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #10
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #13
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #25
tavalon Jan 2013 #27
gateley Jan 2013 #40
tavalon Jan 2013 #26
longship Jan 2013 #4
pangaia Jan 2013 #9
WCGreen Jan 2013 #11
longship Jan 2013 #12
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #14
longship Jan 2013 #16
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #17
Thor_MN Jan 2013 #18
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #20
Thor_MN Jan 2013 #36
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #37
Thor_MN Jan 2013 #41
HiPointDem Jan 2013 #43
Thor_MN Jan 2013 #44
zeemike Jan 2013 #19
longship Jan 2013 #21
JDPriestly Jan 2013 #35
Squinch Jan 2013 #5
indepat Jan 2013 #7
pangaia Jan 2013 #8
uponit7771 Jan 2013 #22
BlueJazz Jan 2013 #15
woo me with science Jan 2013 #23
KG Jan 2013 #24
IDemo Jan 2013 #28
99Forever Jan 2013 #29
treestar Jan 2013 #30
Scuba Jan 2013 #31
treestar Jan 2013 #46
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #33
treestar Jan 2013 #47
CanonRay Jan 2013 #32
fascisthunter Jan 2013 #34
woo me with science Jan 2013 #38
gateley Jan 2013 #39
moondust Jan 2013 #42
gateley Jan 2013 #45

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:57 PM

1. The contrarian approach is successful because USA is controlled by "morans". nt

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Response to SDjack (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:44 PM

6. The country is controlled by oligarchs that have dozen of think tanks.

We are right where those that control the USofA want us. The morans are the tools they use to fake legitimacy.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:58 PM

2. But we're exceptional

doncha know.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:32 PM

3. Canada is in the same boat as the US.

Teachers are glorified babysitters, mandatory minimum sentences are overcrowding our prisons and we bailed out GM and Dodge.

Our housing bubble has not entirely burst yet so no telling how that is oing to go. But it is sufficient to say that Prime Minister Harper will pad his pockets and those of his friends and let the middle class take the brunt of the fiscal hit. Also, we are nowhere close to eliminating our budget deficit so no telling how bad it outs get.

Thank God for our nationalized healthcare system, but PM Harperbwants that gone too.

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Response to MAD Dave (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:25 PM

10. Thats because you elected a moron just like we did multiple times.

 

America has a proud history of electing morons and idiots who well just fuck things up and the lemmings think the are a great president.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:57 PM

13. nothing to do with morans; more to do with big money & big power operating behind the scenes.

 

they don't want the same things you do.

and they're very smart.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:54 AM

25. Sure thing Sparky Dubya was a frigging Einstein

 

The corporations know they just have to find a halfwit to sell their nonsense to the morons who are stupid enough to fall for it.

To those who do not really pay attention they look smart and reasonable to those who do pay attention they are toadies of the corporation. Some are smart and calculating, most just do what they are told by their masters. As long as they vote the right way and don't say to many stupid things they are set for life.


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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:29 AM

27. Yep, it's a shell game

We don't really have the choices we think we do.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:06 PM

40. "...they don't want the same things you do."

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Response to MAD Dave (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:28 AM

26. I know

I've wanted to become a Canadian for nearly two decades but I look now and there's much that reminds me of my own country, minus the imperialism. And that's no longer enough. Besides, even though my profession is highly valued in Canada, my age isn't so my dream is better off fading away.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:34 PM

4. As one from Scandinavian descent...

...this warms my black heart. My father's ancestors helped found Iceland. My mother's ancestors were Suomalainen (Finns, to Americans -- what Americans call Finland, Suomalainens call Suomi).

By the way, you pronounce the long 'u' in sauna. It's not "sawna" but "SAH-oo-na".

Hyvää päivää


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Response to longship (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:14 PM

9. Right on. :>)

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Response to longship (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:46 PM

11. Yank yooo bery mouch

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:53 PM

12. I can't get my car out of the garatts.

Cuz I lost my garattski.

Saatana perkele!

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Response to longship (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:59 PM

14. in finland it's sa-oo-na. not in the US. loan words are almost nowhere pronounced exactly

 

as they are in the land they were borrowed from.

i'm sure the finns have english loanwords they pronounce 'wrong' as well. big deal.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:03 PM

16. Fine.

My mother was a Suomalainen. In my, and my relative's, households we pronounced it like in Suomi.

BTW, that's the name of the country, not Finland.

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Response to longship (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:17 PM

17. as i said, finnish has borrowed lots of words from other languages, and the finns pronounce them

 

all 'wrong'.

It's "hot dog," not "hodari".

silly finns.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:19 PM

18. Some people in the US, who have no clue, pronounce it SAWnah

and others pronounce it correctly.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:29 PM

20. some people make a big deal out of nothing. language isn't a fixed thing. the finns have borrowed

 

lots of words, they pronounce them all wrong.

it's "flicka" not "likka".

it's 'headache,' not 'hedari'.

silly finns.

i'm quite sure you have no clue about the hundreds of loan words you personally pronounce 'wrong'.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:00 PM

36. What's with the personal insult?

I grew up in an area with many Finnish immigrants. I learned to correctly pronounce sauna in one. If one chooses to mispronounce it out of ignorance, I don't care that much.

I'm not sure why you make such a big deal of defending lack of knowledge, but have a nice day anyway.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:10 PM

37. you lived in an area with finnish immigrants. that's why they pronounce it in the finnish way.

 

you chose to call anyone who doesn't pronounce 'sauna' in the finnish way 'ignorant'. what's the point of the personal insult? there are 100s of loan words not pronounced in the original way, & i'm sure you pronounce most of them 'wrong' too.

i think you understood my point, but have a nice day.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:07 PM

41. I think I understand that you have some sort of bee up your bonnet

but I don't get why you feel so strongly about the way a word is said. Do you just like to randomly pick fights with people? Does it give your life some sort of validation? I called people ignorant (there are many in the world), you choose to call me personally ignorant.

The pronunciation of sauna, by anyone whose experience includes a real Scandinavian sauna is not SAWnah. Those that have never seen anything other than a few minutes in a hot room in a hotel say SAWnah. SAWnah is not THE American pronunciation of a Finnish, just of those who don't know better.

Have a better day than you have been having, find some one else to argue with.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #41)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:35 PM

43. the american pronunciation is the pronunciation of most americans. which is 'sawna'. pronouncing

 

a word the way most of the people around you pronounce it isn't 'ignorant,' that's what language is.

sorry you don't/can't/won't get it, & would rather feel superior because you pronounce it like finns do.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:26 PM

44. Who says that most americans prounouce it SAWnah? You? Maybe around you they do.

Not where I am. Most people pronounce it SOWnah here. Sorry that you live in a place where people have mangled the name into a nasal whine. Most be pretty miserable listening to people whine all the time. Probably explains a few things. I'll leave you to anguish over defending your choice of mispronunciation.

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Response to longship (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:29 PM

19. I can attest to the Finish love of education.

Early in the Internet days I had a pen pal relationship with a Finish student...I think she was about 8th grade level and she could write perfect English...and she was also learning Swedish....they seem very proud of being educated....and they have a lot to be proud of in their schools.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:47 PM

21. Suomalainens are mostly trilingual.

Suomi has long been "divided" by language, part speak Swedish, part speak Finnish. Many Suomalainens speak both, plus English.

My mother never learned English except from her siblings. She was the youngest of twelve (born in 1913), and English was never spoken in the household, in spite of the fact that my mother was born in Wisconsin and lived her life in the USA. Her mother (who died in the 40's) never spoke English, although my mother, and her siblings, highly suspected that she understood it.

When my mother talked on the phone to her brothers and sisters it was always in Finnish. Until her dying day she was a truly bilingual person. I only wish that she would have brought me up bilingual, too.

Now, I can only say hello, merry Christmas, and some Suomalainen curses (which my mother would say often rather than the English).

Haista napa!

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Response to longship (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:10 AM

35. Greeks and Hungarians also are often multilingual.

If your language is not commonly understood by others, you learn theirs. The drive to communicate is strong enough to make people who speak languages others don't know learn languages.

How many people who are not Greek or Hungarian or Finnish speak the languages of those countries?

In contrast, almost everywhere we go, someone speaks English. We have less incentive and sometimes even less opportunity to speak foreign languages.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:39 PM

5. And note that all of those failed American strategies are cornerstones of Conservativism.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:53 PM

7. Endemically failed strategies are the prices we gladly pay for the joys of living in a right-wing-

soused society.

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Response to indepat (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:13 PM

8. with lots and lots and lots of 'weapons'

otherwise known as GUNS. GUNS GUNS....

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 09:51 PM

22. +1

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:59 PM

15. The one that most infuriates me is the last one. We send thieves to prison unless..

...they happen to work in the investment & banking industry.

The ones that do the most damage receive the best outcome.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 09:53 PM

23. K&R

Great post. Thanks.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:07 PM

24. it's almost comical the way this country choses the exactly wrong solutions to its problems

only almost.

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Response to KG (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:23 AM

28. See my sig line

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:18 AM

29. Anyone actually know anyone in Washington DC to..

... pass this along to?

Of course none of them would listen anyway, who am I kidding?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:33 AM

30. Those countries are smaller and more cohesive

It is easier for them.

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Response to treestar (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:36 AM

31. Doing the right thing is usually more difficult than not.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #31)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:59 AM

46. It's more difficult here

With the Senate giving some state disproportionate power to their population. Supermajority requirements. And the filibuster's abuse.

The Parliamentary system lets things get done faster. If a party has power, it can't be stopped. But our system is designed that things don't change without overwhelming support. We have to factor that in.

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Response to treestar (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:43 AM

33. Peculiar that we find certain things far easier than some other nations

Using military force for instance seems to be something that the size and lack of cohesiveness of the USA does not appear to impede in any substantive way.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:02 AM

47. That's completely different

Because it involves different things. We don't know that Iceland or Finland or Sweden would not do the same if they could. They are not necessarily stopped due to superior morality. Maybe they just don't have enough people and resources. England ran roughshod over the rest of the world when it was able.

IMO any nation would rule the world if it could. Due to our size and natural resources we have an advantage in military conquest. In fact, why did European nations want us to come into WWI and WWII?

Internal and domestic policies however, leave us at a disadvantage in moving forward. The system we have is designed for conservatives. It makes it difficult to pass a new law. There are so many checks on it. Whereas a Parliamentary system allows for change when the party of a country's left is in power.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:41 AM

32. Yeah, cuz itz European Communist Socialist Nazis over there

We're number one, We're number one...

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:35 AM

34. Americans have become slaves to the bankers

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 01:43 PM

38. Kick

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:02 PM

39. We refuse to learn from others who have successfully attempted what we're facing.

It's just nuts.

America is the GREATEST -- nobody is smarter. It's about time we realized the folly of that belief.

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Response to gateley (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:04 PM

42. Health care and gun control come to mind.

Both have been done about as well as can be in other places such that a wise people could learn and adapt the best of those tried and tested models. Not the U.S., no siree! Profits first forever!

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Response to moondust (Reply #42)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:43 AM

45. And what most fries me is that the masses have been brainwashed into believing

that OUR way is the BEST way in EVERYTHING, and the entire world envies us! I sure grew up believing that! And I think most people, who aren't paying attention, still do.

To be fair, in a government for the people by the people, that's how it should be.

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