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Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:47 PM

 

What is "UnAmerican" to you?

Personally, I don't find much to be "UnAmerican". Just the concept itself seems a little foreign to me (heh, see what I did there) and in my view, seems mostly to be thought about by the right wingers, not progressives and liberals.

But I suppose if I had to come up with something, I would say the spying on of Americans to be "UnAmerican", and just the growing super surveillance type atmosphere in general in America, to be "UnAmerican". Based on the concept that personal freedoms are one of the things that I think America does best. What do you find to be "UnAmerican"?

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Reply What is "UnAmerican" to you? (Original post)
quinnox Jan 2013 OP
ananda Jan 2013 #1
virgogal Jan 2013 #10
Scuba Jan 2013 #2
on point Jan 2013 #3
patrice Jan 2013 #4
Tagish_Charlie Jan 2013 #5
quinnox Jan 2013 #6
banned from Kos Jan 2013 #7
quinnox Jan 2013 #11
Herlong Feb 2013 #45
Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #8
quinnox Jan 2013 #12
bunnies Jan 2013 #20
RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #22
leftstreet Jan 2013 #32
PDJane Jan 2013 #9
virgogal Jan 2013 #13
shraby Jan 2013 #14
Posteritatis Jan 2013 #15
Cirque du So-What Jan 2013 #16
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #26
Cirque du So-What Jan 2013 #34
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #35
Cirque du So-What Jan 2013 #36
Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #43
Xithras Jan 2013 #17
Downwinder Jan 2013 #18
jberryhill Jan 2013 #19
Herlong Jan 2013 #21
LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #23
Posteritatis Jan 2013 #24
Cirque du So-What Jan 2013 #25
Herlong Jan 2013 #27
Posteritatis Jan 2013 #30
Herlong Jan 2013 #31
Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #28
Ellipsis Jan 2013 #29
whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #33
demwing Jan 2013 #37
Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2013 #38
Louisiana1976 Jan 2013 #39
kimtjj195_tx Jan 2013 #40
4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #41
kwassa Jan 2013 #42
datasuspect Jan 2013 #44

Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:48 PM

1. Easypeasy.

.. Everything the rightwing considers "American."

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:51 PM

2. Private prisons are "UnAmerican".

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:52 PM

3. Denial of equal rights to all; rule by theocracy are 2 that come to mind...

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:53 PM

4. Royalty, un-earned privilege, dishonesty because it is slavish, phony value(s).

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:54 PM

5. Ted Nugent

 

Rush Limbaugh, Bill Orally, Glenn Beck, Paul Ryan, Ann Coulter, The Wasilla Windbag, Rupert Murdoch, Alex Jones.....
Got the picture?

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:55 PM

6. I like all the answers so far

 

good ones!

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:55 PM

7. Socialism. We are a free enterprise society.

 

With a safety net.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:58 PM

11. you just had to ruin it

 

couldn't resist!

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:56 PM

8. I find the concept of "un-American"...

to be nothing more than an excuse for pious hypocrisy and ugly nationalism, frankly. "Un-American" is frequently used as a synonym for "undemocratic" or "unpatriotic" (as though democracy is uniquely American, and as though the American hyper-nationalistic flavour of "patriotism" is laudable). Labelling your opponents as "un-American" is intellectually lazy and in the historical political discourse is a step away from saying "Nazi" or "fascist" or "communist".

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:59 PM

12. honestly, I'm right there with you

 

That is how I feel about it too.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:12 PM

20. this.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:34 PM

22. +1

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:58 PM

32. +1

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:57 PM

9. Oh, lord, where do I start?

Let's start with the GOP and vote rigging.
Torture.
I would have thought that Guantanamo is un-American too.

Unnecessary wars, drone strikes, genocide....those are, provably, American.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:59 PM

13. Bidets.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:00 PM

14. Voter suppression.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:00 PM

15. Better than ninety-five percent of the entire world. (nt)

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:02 PM

16. For me, that term is practically meaningless

Throughout its relatively brief existence, is there a single atrocity that has not been perpetrated by the US government upon its citizens or indigenous people or those of other nations? The only reason that we don't have a figure as infamous as Stalin, Hitler or Pol Pot is that we're better at delegating authority.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:48 PM

26. I think it's more insidious than that...

we are better at rewriting and distorting history.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:33 PM

34. It's the American way, yunno

In the same way that the British Empire did not 'invent' racism, neither did American powerbrokers 'invent' historical revision, but it has certainly been elevated to an art form.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:42 PM

35. I'm reading the companion book to

Oliver Stone's "Untold History of the United States" some things I knew, but there's much I hadn't read before or had forgotten. Last week I read Robert Parry's "America's Stolen Narrative" and Jeffrey Toobin's "The Oath" It's all so disheartening.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #35)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:54 PM

36. Isn't it, though?

I would add Howard Zinn's A People's History Of The United States to that list. Lots of inconvenient truths contained in those books, but I would sooner have the people of this country know the truth instead of having smoke blown up our collective ass.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #36)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 09:03 PM

43. I read Zinn years ago...figure it's time to reread.

From "Untold..."

A speaker at a 1923 advertising convention in Atlantic City...said "Appeal to reason in your advertising, and you appeal to about 4% of the human race" I think the GOP understands this much better than do the Dems, and has been using it effectively for 40 years, at least. It has taken the Madison Avenue approach ie. no facts, just fantasy.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:09 PM

17. Anything that denies opportunity.

America is the land of opportunity, or it used to be anyway. Anything that denies people the opportunity to express or improve themselves is un-American. Anything that denies people the opportunity to exercise their fundamental rights is un-American. Anything that denies Americans the right to move up or down (and down is just as important as up) is un-American.

But most importantly, America has always been the land that SPREAD opportunity. When we place our own profits and narrow interests above the opportunity of OTHERS in OTHER NATIONS to share in those same opportunities (by supporting oppressive regimes or declaring war on governments we don't like), we're doing the most un-American thing of all by ignoring the ideals that America originally stood for. Freedom, self reliance, self determination.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:09 PM

18. Poverty!!!

In the self styled richest country in the world.

Prison rates in the "land of the free."

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:09 PM

19. Intolerance


That's not to say we don't have a long tradition of it.

But some folks have too broad a definition of "tolerance". Tolerance is no more and no less than putting up with difference and remaining civil. It's the bare minimum, but it goes a long way.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:22 PM

21. What I Have Learned from the term UnAmerican

 

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By the likes of Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reiliy, is we must work against these clowns because everything they said was UnAmerican a mere 4 four years ago, is how they earn their pay now.

I was an American then and I am am American Now. The end. That is the lesson.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:34 PM

23. I think those in elective office who consistently vote against any

legislation designed to help ordinary people are unAmerican, and I question the intelligence of the voters who put them there in the first place.

I also think the TSA with its "everybody is a potential terrorist" mentality and jackboot tactics is unAmerican and in violation of the 4th amendment.

The use of drones to kill innocent people is unAmerican as is launching a war based on lies.

Letting corrupt Wall Street bankers who destroyed the economy go free is unAmerican.

A society which turns its back on the poor and homeless and which allows children to go hungry is unAmerican.

A nation which has billions to spend on war toys but has no problem cutting social programs is unAmerican.

A nation in which there is a vocal minority who value their guns more than the lives of their fellow citizens is unAmerican.

In a lot of ways the America in which we live is unAmerican.



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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:36 PM

24. I notice the responses so far define it as "whatever I dislike," which seems consistent. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:38 PM

25. As opposed to your response

which is, like, nothing.

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:54 PM

27. I notice the responses so far define it as "whatever I dislike," which seems consistent. (nt)

 

Really? How so?

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Response to Herlong (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:56 PM

30. I only ever see "un-American" used by any Americans to mean "generically bad." (nt)

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:54 PM

28. Almost everything that America is today. n/t

 

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:56 PM

29. "Our Family" pumpkin pie filler at Wallmart canned in China

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:59 PM

33. Me

by today's standards anyway. I used to get this place... not anymore.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:06 PM

37. Censorship

and fear. I see them as related.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:25 PM

38. a Republican

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:28 PM

39. Racism and homophobia.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:32 PM

40. Things that constitute as "UnAmerican"

 

-Waging bloody wars
-Denying millions of people in the US healthcare
-Locking up millions for petty crimes
-Denying womens' right to cheap birth control

And etc.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:37 PM

41. The throttling of Debate

Striving to keep the honest exchange of ideas from the market place of American ideas. Trying to boss people or bully people into living their lives as another person sees fit.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:52 PM

42. Wall Street

Financial manipulation of world markets.

Vast income inequality.

heading toward oligarchy of small percentage of the population over the much poorer majority population, like many third-world countries.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 09:03 PM

44. oligarchy and theocracy

 

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