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Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:00 PM

Atheists might not be able to graduate high school?

Last edited Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:21 PM - Edit history (1)

This is why it's important to vote. Arizona Republicans are planning to make kids take a military-style oath. If you refuse to say the last words, "So help me God," You will not be allowed to graduate high school.

This is why it pays to be in a blue state.

If you got a problem with me being an atheist, too fucking bad.

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Reply Atheists might not be able to graduate high school? (Original post)
Indyfan53 Jan 2013 OP
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #1
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struggle4progress Jan 2013 #43
Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #4
Moonwalk Jan 2013 #16
Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #17
bunnies Jan 2013 #19
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Lordquinton Jan 2013 #21
EvilAL Jan 2013 #26
jeff47 Jan 2013 #32
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dlwickham Jan 2013 #28
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temporary311 Jan 2013 #6
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MineralMan Jan 2013 #7
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #9
tblue37 Jan 2013 #61
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alphafemale Jan 2013 #14
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Fumesucker Jan 2013 #12
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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:02 PM

1. So tack this on the end...

And thank you Satan. That'll shut them up. Although I am partial to Lucifer. Satan seems to scare the funDies more.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:08 PM

3. or "so help me, god does not exist"

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Response to unblock (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:12 PM

8. Yeah that one too

Which ever one makes funDies heads spin the most.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:15 PM

40. Son of perdition. Little horn! Most unclean!

I do miss the old names. - Satan

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:08 PM

2. That won't last 2 seconds in a court.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 09:50 PM

38. It will take 3 seconds to have this law struck down by the courts. nt

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:52 PM

43. +

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:12 PM

4. The whole oath is stupid; the last part is just insane

I love to ridicule atheists (because one tiny poke gets them going all day), but that is just dumb.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:54 PM

16. Do you like to ridicule the LGBT community too when they argue about their rights? How about...

...women, blacks, and other minorities? I have to wonder why you enjoy poking at people who have to fight really hard to get their rights respected. I can only conclude that you've never been a science teacher fighting the school board over teaching creationism, that you are not a gay person who had their right to marry taken away by Prop. 8 which was passed by religious groups, and that you are not a woman threatened by religious groups wanting to take away your right to contraceptives or abortion.

Oh, and thank you for outing yourself. I'll make sure, after this, to put you on ignore. I hope the rest of the atheists here do the same. There is never any reason to waste time on a troll.

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:57 PM

17. Atheism is a choice; minority status is not.


Exactly zero of your rights are infringed upon by those who choose to exercise religious freedom.

Nice try, however, and indeed thank you for proving my point.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:28 PM

19. Is it?

There have been many studies which have suggested that a certain part of the brain is responsible for ones "religious" beliefs. Ever heard of the "God Helmet"?

Myself, I have never believed in god. It was not a decision.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:15 PM

20. You are wrong and apparently lacking tolerance.

Minority status exists because one is in the minority. People that follow the Jewish faith are in the minority yet they can choose to be atheists or Christians. What you are saying, IMO, is that you can be intolerant of atheists because they "choose" to be in the minority. That's an intolerant rationalization. In fact it's the same rationalization that homophobes use.

"Exactly zero of your rights are infringed upon by those who choose to exercise religious freedom." Seriously? Did you even read the OP? You dont think rights are being violated when people are forced to pay homage to a deity they don't believe in?

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:20 PM

21. Do you poke Christians and Muslims as well?

Religion is a choice, so why not? they are even better than Atheists, or is it just too easy?

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:32 PM

26. I'd say religion is a choice,

we are all born atheists.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:38 PM

32. And now to Goodwin:

Those stupid Jews should have just chosen another religion to avoid the Nazis, right?

Repressed groups are repressed groups. Doesn't matter if the members of that group chose to join it or are born into it.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:07 PM

39. Atheism is a choice? So you were born believing in a god? Which one?

Religion is a choice, not atheism. We are all born atheists.

I choose to be Agnostic.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:14 AM

47. You know what they say...

Gangs are for people who can't make it on their own.


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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:02 PM

54. I guess you're getting your kicks now reading the responses. n/t

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:35 PM

28. as if atheists never attack people of faith on this site

what's good for the goose blah blah blah

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:18 AM

48. Sounds like some atheist hurt your feelings and you are in payback mode. Which is fair I guess. n-t

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:12 PM

5. This will struck down by the courts.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:18 AM

49. Eventually. In the meantime... nt.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:12 PM

6. Wouldn't this exclude

Jehovah's Witnesses as well?

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Response to temporary311 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:57 PM

37. Exactly. Any group that refuses to swear oaths would be cut out.

It's as if the Republicans are just begging to be hated.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:12 PM

7. In the first place there are people who are not US Citizens

attending public schools. Both permanent resident aliens and green card holders have children in those schools. This is an awful idea, and won't survive a court challenge.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:14 PM

9. All it takes is one parent to sue.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:20 PM

61. Idiots keep costing schools and localities money to fight lawsuits

they are bound to lose, even as the schools don't have enough money to cover adequate teacher pay; nurses and counselors;books, material, and equipment; cleaning services and grounds maintenance, etc.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #61)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:32 PM

66. Idiots keep costing schools and localities money to fight lawsuits they are bound to lose

Which gives them cover to call for deeper cuts,that they can then blame others for.....

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:16 PM

10. This scares me

 

I really do hope this plan backfires on their asses. Religion, ugh.

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Response to kimtjj195_tx (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:08 PM

56. Religion has been the scourge of mankind from day one. n/t

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:19 PM

11. completely aside from the so help me god part, it's silly to coerce support for the constitution

as a requirement for graduation from high school.

for servicing in the government or the military, entities that derive their power and authority from the constitution, sure.

but for high school graduation???

of course it would have zero beneficial effect. it would convince absolutely no one to be any more loyal to the constitution, nor would it convince anyone to believe in god. it's 100% ineffective at whatever it's nominally attempting to accomplish.

what if someone fully supports and defends the PEOPLE of america but believes that the constitution should be scrapped in favor of a different form of government that would work better for the PEOPLE of america? is that so disloyal to the PEOPLE of america that, of all things, they should be denied a high school diploma???

hardly. this is just yet another stupid, self-serving republican serving up a big ol' plate of nationalist jingoism to advance their own selfish political interests.

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Response to unblock (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:40 PM

14. Belief in a deity is not required for military service.

There is even a standard Arlington tombstone engraving. It's a molecule or something I think.

The military academies are turning into Jesus camps though, so I hear.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:55 PM

35. agreed -- i was only referred to the part about supporting the constitution.

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Response to unblock (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:41 PM

33. It's also the exact opposite of the point of the Constitution

The entire point of the Constitution is to create a government that supports the people.

The government should be swearing an oath to us, not us swearing an oath to the government.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #33)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:56 PM

36. very well put!

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:23 PM

12. Religion is a tradition in America

If you don't like tradition in public ceremonies you should really just keep it to yourself.

We had a major flamewar here only a couple of days ago about religion in public ceremonies and now here some atheist is agitating the damn guano again.

Haven't you people learned your place yet?































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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:37 PM

29. Bwahahaha. I was worried about you for a minute, Fumesucker.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:55 AM

46. And, gee, it can be any religion's God...

...as long as it's a God. Isn't that inclusive enough? Let's all sing kumbaya!

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:11 PM

57. Too far to scroll, BP when up! lol n/t

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:32 PM

13. Since I have a son who will be graduating next year, and is, like me, an Atheist...

I look forward to suing the fuck out of these crazy, god-bothering morons.


I hope it passes, I really do.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:45 PM

15. Is there a link to this story? n/t

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:36 AM

51. ....

http://legiscan.com/AZ/text/HB2467

AN ACT

AMENDING TITLE 15, CHAPTER 7, ARTICLE 1, ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES, BY ADDING SECTION 15-701.03; RELATING TO SCHOOL CURRICULUM.


(TEXT OF BILL BEGINS ON NEXT PAGE)



Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:
Section 1. Title 15, chapter 7, article 1, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding section 15-701.03, to read:
15-701.03. Graduation requirement; constitutional oath
BEGINNING IN THE 2013‑2014 SCHOOL YEAR, IN ADDITION TO FULFILLING THE COURSE OF STUDY AND ASSESSMENT REQUIREMENTS PRESCRIBED IN THIS CHAPTER, BEFORE A PUPIL IS ALLOWED TO GRADUATE FROM A PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL IN THIS STATE, THE PRINCIPAL OR HEAD TEACHER OF THE SCHOOL SHALL VERIFY IN WRITING THAT THE PUPIL HAS RECITED THE FOLLOWING OATH:
I, _________, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THESE DUTIES; SO HELP ME GOD.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:03 PM

18. I'm a Christian. I believe in God. And if I lived in Arizona I would ask one of my children ...

if they wanted to refuse, just so we could sue the ever-loving shit out of the state! If they declined (and I would never attempt to coerce either of them), I would find another way to bring that idiocy before a judge. I'm pretty sure God would forgive me.

No one should ever be required by the power of the state to acknowledge a religious deity in which they do not believe.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:21 PM

22. Thank you. n/t

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:04 PM

55. Exactly!!! Next will be pledging allegiance to the republican party to graduate. n/t

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:28 PM

23. Jehovah's Witnesses would be none to happy, too

This whole nonsense is simply dog whistles for the wacko right-wing fringe and is dead on arrival.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:30 PM

24. I am never going to Arizona.

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:24 PM

63. I added Arizona sometime ago to my list of states never to set foot in. I guess I have to

fly over them, but that's it ... no way am I ever going to enter, they are just too weird and frankly dangerous places to be.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:32 PM

25. The AZ gop is outing themselves as

as stupid demagogues that ends up backfiring on them like a mofo.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:32 PM

27. This idea is completely insane, but that does scare the crap out of me.

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Response to Initech (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:26 PM

64. Next will be a requirement to pledge allegiance to the GOP for graduation. n/t

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:42 PM

30. Totally illegal

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:54 PM

31. This is clearly insane and unconstitutional

and wouldn't get this far even in most of Dixie.

If Arizona passes it, it will stand only as long as the first atheist kid is denied a high school diploma.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:55 PM

34. Anyone who completes the requirements for graduation . . .

Cannot be denied that diploma. It's that simple. This won't survive a Constitutional challenge--if it passes to begin with.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:22 AM

50. So they make taking this oath one of the requirements.

That is what this proposition intends to do.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:19 PM

41. this cannot be constitutional

It won't stand legal challenge.

But WTF is with Arizona anyway?

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:25 PM

42. So very, very wrong.

This will never stand. Just can't.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 11:37 PM

44. It won't hold up in court,

but I feel horrible for the family and kid that challenge it. They're going to be getting an unbelievable amount of death threats, and probably stuff a little beyond. (Bricks through windows, smashed up cars, etc). Just like always happens.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #44)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:34 PM

67. Yep, religious people are always so pleasant, so wonderful, always thinking of others.



Anyone tells me they're religious I don't trust them one bit. Some of my worst business transactions have been with the supposedly religious. I don't trust them one bit, not at all.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:51 AM

45. In order to protect our constitution...

In order to protect our constitution, we have to destroy it.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:40 AM

52. what do repugs not understand about 'the land of the free'?

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:54 AM

53. Athiests shouldn't graduate.

Not if they can't spell atheist.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:14 PM

59. What if they're just athier, not the athiest? n/t

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:23 PM

69. OH! That's embarassing!

Thanks for catching that.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:13 PM

58. Even beyond the "so help me God" crap, this borders on brainwashing and indoctrination.

Thoughts of Chairman Mao, anyone?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #58)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:29 PM

65. And, that is precisely what they want, a brainwashed population of serfs, lemmings and

guppies.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:17 PM

60. I would simply add after I was done "…even though it doesn't exist" or something similar.

What are they going to do? Once I'm done saying their little oath I can say whatever I want to.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 12:21 PM

62. It's unconstitutional and can never be enforced.

I guess it's some sort of symbolic thing.

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Response to Indyfan53 (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 01:00 PM

68. An oath to graduate from high school

is utter nonsense.

I cannot imagine a rational electorate allowing it to be permitted, or let their Representatives even finish their terms.

For the brief term such a law were in existence if it were to come to pass, graduates can console themselves that the degree is just a certificate of attendance anyways.

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