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Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:53 AM

Republicans aim to re-introduce "3/5 of a person"

NYT's Charles M. Blow



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/opinion/blow-rig-the-vote.html?_r=0

Rig the Vote


Republican lawmakers in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin are considering whether to abandon the winner-take-all approach to awarding Electoral College votes and replace it with a proportional allocation. That change would heavily favor Republican presidential candidates — tilting the voting power away from cities and toward rural areas — and make it more likely that the candidate with the fewest votes over all would win a larger share of electoral votes.

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The Washington Post reported Thursday that the sponsor of Virginia bill’s, Charles W. Carrico Sr., a Republican, “said he wants to give smaller communities a bigger voice.” Carrico told The Post, “The last election, constituents were concerned that it didn’t matter what they did, that more densely populated areas were going to outvote them.” Yes, you read that right: he wants to make the votes cast for the candidate receiving the fewest votes matter more than those cast for the candidate receiving the most.

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Paul Bibeau, who writes “a blog of dark humor” from Virginia, points out a numerical oddity about the effects of the Virginia law that turns out, upon reflection, to be more stinging than funny: “This bill counts an Obama voter as 3/5 of a person.”

That is because, as Talking Points Memo says, “Obama voters would have received almost exactly 3/5 of the electoral vote compared to their actual population — 30.7 percent of the electoral vote over 51 percent of the popular vote.”

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Reply Republicans aim to re-introduce "3/5 of a person" (Original post)
Scuba Jan 2013 OP
n2doc Jan 2013 #1
Kolesar Jan 2013 #2
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #3
paulbibeau Jan 2013 #7
Oilwellian Jan 2013 #9
spanone Jan 2013 #4
davidn3600 Jan 2013 #5
upi402 Jan 2013 #6
ErikJ Jan 2013 #8
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #10
ErikJ Jan 2013 #11
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #14
ErikJ Jan 2013 #15
OnionPatch Jan 2013 #16
krispos42 Jan 2013 #12
reformist2 Jan 2013 #13

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:58 AM

1. Good way to put it

IF you are in a democratic leaning district, you are 3/5 of a voter. At least if the repubs have their way.



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Response to n2doc (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:59 AM

2. Yes, very insightful! eom

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 11:16 AM

3. Paul Bibeau has been very humorous here on DU.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:46 PM

7. Thank you!

And the piece that Blow refers to appeared on DU first! I'm willing to bet that DU people helped get the word out. I want to THUMBTACK that fraction to the GOP.

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Response to paulbibeau (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 05:50 PM

9. I heard from the Roanoke Times yesterday

They called me within two hours after I hit send. Three fifths definitely got their attention! I suspect they'll be publishing it soon, hopefully in their Sunday edition.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 11:18 AM

4. when you lose, find a way to cheat to win next time...reThug political philosophy

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 11:40 AM

6. This is a huge issue

It will hasten the end of all life, as climate change will be ignore by Republicans who gain power by this.

Or the corporate Dems that are our "best option" in the new "political reality".

Enjoy!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:51 PM

8. Rural America already over represented with US Senators.

Montana with a pop of 1 million has 2 US Senators and Calif with 30 million also gets 2 US Senators.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:01 PM

10. I actually like that balance of populace and states.

 

It ensures that people who live in rural areas aren't getting shafted by a majority of people elsewhere who have no concern for a minorities interests. It prevents a 'Tyranny of the Majority'.

The senate represent state interests and the House represents the people's interests. I'm fine with that.
Don't forget to mention that California has 53 House Reps and Montana has only 1 and that for legislation to bass, it must be agreed upon by the House and Senate!

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:41 PM

11. Undemocratic

No matter how you spin it, rural America gets more representation per person than do the heavily populated states. Thats why the Senate cant get anything passed.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:44 PM

14. Right, because it's the Senate that's stonewalling all of the House's great legislation.

 

Oh wait... NOT!

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:00 PM

15. Pelosi's house put out 400 bills 2006 to 2010

and almost all were killed by the Republican Senate.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:29 PM

16. That is a somewhat reasonable argument.

But it doesn't justify the huge difference in political power between states like Montana and California. A Montana resident has 30 time more power in the US senate than I do, since I live in California. It's hard to feel like that's just fine and dandy.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:50 PM

12. It's worse than that

Wyoming with 0.5 million people has two senators, as does California with 37 million people.


I've proposed before that no state should have more than 12 representatives; when you get that big, split up into smaller states. It keeps adding new states to the Union, with new state constitutions and the latest ideas in government. And it keeps a state from being too under-represented in DC.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:54 PM

13. If this isn't proof the districts are gerrymandered, I don't know what is.


In state after state, urban voters have been crammed into as few districts as possible, resulting in a relatively small number of overwhelmingly lopsided democratic districts, and relatively large number of barely-republican districts.

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