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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:15 PM

Oak Harbor WA...Council member walks out of city meeting over armed veteran


http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Councilman-walks-out-of-meeting--188298651.html


The City of Oak Harbor is getting national attention after a recent video posted to YouTube shows a city councilmember walking out in the middle of a meeting when he learned a resident was carrying a concealed weapon inside city chambers.

Mayor Scott Dudley says within the last week his inbox and voicemail have been inundated with hundreds of messages from people around the country in support of his decision to apologize for Councilmember Rick Almberg's actions during the Jan. 15 city council meeting.

"Right now, as we speak, I have well over 300 emails all from people who felt compelled to reach out and say, 'Thank you for standing up and defending this disabled vet,'" Dudley said.

I have emailed Mr Almberg and thanked him for his courage...would you do the same thing...

ralmberg@oakharbor.org

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rsmith6621 Jan 2013 OP
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #1
shenmue Jan 2013 #2
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #3
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #60
Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #4
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #5
peacebird Jan 2013 #32
Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #49
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #7
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #8
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #10
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #11
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #14
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #19
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #21
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #50
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #57
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #59
bongbong Jan 2013 #61
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #64
Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #30
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #38
nick of time Jan 2013 #47
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #52
nick of time Jan 2013 #54
Pholus Jan 2013 #17
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #53
Pholus Jan 2013 #62
Hekate Jan 2013 #18
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #56
Hekate Jan 2013 #63
Skip Intro Jan 2013 #23
Bonobo Jan 2013 #46
Bonobo Jan 2013 #48
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #58
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #51
Berserker Jan 2013 #13
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #20
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #55
Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #6
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #9
Berserker Jan 2013 #15
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #22
Berserker Jan 2013 #31
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #35
Berserker Jan 2013 #37
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #40
Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #43
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #45
Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #34
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #36
Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #39
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #41
Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #44
dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #42
freshwest Jan 2013 #12
rsmith6621 Jan 2013 #16
liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #29
dballance Jan 2013 #24
ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #25
okaawhatever Jan 2013 #26
1620rock Jan 2013 #27
liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #28
rsmith6621 Jan 2013 #33
marybourg Jan 2013 #65

Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:23 PM

1. Why was he packing heat?

Who was he planning on shooting?

If he wasn't planning on shooting someone why was he packing heat?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:25 PM

2. Oh, you know...

in case the Martians invaded in the next five minutes.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:29 PM

3. Of course!

What an idiot he is then. Martians melt any gun they encounter.

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Response to shenmue (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:40 PM

60. Protection from ze Germans!

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:33 PM

4. Kind of like asking a woman who she is planning to f**k if she is on birth control pills

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:38 PM

5. Pulled that one from space, did ya?

Did me calling out gun nuts launch you?

Because fucking is so very dangerous. You got something against fucking?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:38 PM

32. Exactly! Well said RobertEarl!

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:21 PM

49. do you have trouble with dots??

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:48 PM

7. In case the scary black people from the inner cities decided to come and

rape and pillage because their welfare checks got cut.

That's always what it's really about. Fear and racism.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:52 PM

8. It was legal, what does it matter?

Almberg was a delicate flower who wilted publicly. He needs to do his job or resign in disgrace

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:57 PM

10. Answer the question

Why are you avoiding it and attacking someone who understands that people with guns are best avoided. So why are you scared of answering the simple question? Who was he planning on shooting?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:03 PM

11. Your "question" is fraudulent framing at best

He is permitted to carry and chooses to carry. No further explanation is needed.








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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:09 PM

14. No.

People with guns are fucking dangerous people. Period.

People with guns should be made to wear markings so that we know to keep them away from peaceful members of society. Better yet, make all guns give off a sound like a fire alarm whenever the gun is within a thousand yards of anyone but the owner.

That's our answer: Gun alarms. You get the right to bear arms and everyone else gets to know you are dangerous and should be avoided.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:16 PM

19. Your desire that

"People with guns should be made to wear markings so that we know to keep them away from peaceful members of society."

sounds familiar. Where have we seen that before?

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:18 PM

21. Are you afraid to be seen, and known?

Yes, you would be avoided by peaceful people. Does that bother you?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:23 PM

50. I'm a large black man...people fear me regardless

Concealed carry is intended to be convert. Its how plain clothes LEOs carry too.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:32 PM

57. I don't fear you.

Now put a gun in your hands and if you are a two-year old, yeah, fear.

What don't you get that?

Oops power just went out see yall later!

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #57)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:37 PM

59. But I carry a gun...

Which means I am a somehow a threat to you in your twisted thinking

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #59)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:58 PM

61. Hi, Delicate Flowers

 

What are your plans for your "I'm Like Rambo!" gun tonight? Stroking it? Humping it?

Just curious what the Flowers do with their Precious, seeing as how they worship it so all-consumingly.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #59)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:00 AM

64. Powers back

Twisted thinking?

Like i was saying, I don't fear you. But if you were a two year old and you had a gun, then I'd fear you. Well, not you but the gun.

Why is it that so many gun-slingers here just don't understand that without your guns, you're cool. And yes, when you have a gun, the fear is a wise emotion. What is so hard to grok about that?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:37 PM

30. some kind of patch

maybe even sown on their clothes. Can we ensure they are tattooed also?

I would much rather have CCW with some type of control or just make it illegal so we have no control or checks. People will still carry.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:57 PM

38. Wand everyone?

Forget marking the owners. Mark the guns. Better yet, make the bullets radioactive and let a tax on guns pay for Geiger counters for everyone so that we can tell who has bullets on their person.

Set up spots where many people pass and whenever a radioactive bullet sets of the alarm people can follow the carrier and have the cops check them out before they do something stupid.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:20 PM

47. People with guns should be made to wear markings...........

 

Didn't a certain gentleman make a certain class of people wear a marking to keep them ID'd about 70 years ago?
Your post is disgusting and you should delete it.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:25 PM

52. Not digusting at all

Not racial, not religious (except gun nuts do have their own religion, eh?)

But forget that. What kills people are bullets. So we make bullets be radioactive and issue Geiger counters so we can track the bullets around and tell people: Stan away from the bullets!

I like it! Empty guns are safe. It's the bullets that we have to beware.

You have a problem with the public being made aware of dangerous deadly bullets?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:27 PM

54. Whatever.

 

Your post was disgusting and should be hidden or deleted, but you obviously aren't going to do the right thing.
Have a good night.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:15 PM

17. Yeah, cause nobody EVER wears their gun to intimidate...right?

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Response to Pholus (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:26 PM

53. You do know that we are talking about a concealed carry incident

The vet had to be queried to determined if he was carrying

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:19 PM

62. Only after the vet initially bragged about it to establish his credibility.

One of the biggest problem with guns is that their owners are often times self-deluded into thinking that their death-dealing toys have magically made them more relevant. For lack of a better name I propose that we call this the "man card" effect. Both this vet and the thug in my photo *want* people to associate them with their gun -- what, are you seriously going to argue with them when they have the power to coerce you into obeying them? That, of course, is the problem.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:15 PM

18. Political assassination has become an all-American sport

They should install metal detectors at the door, with a sign straight out of Ye Olde West advising people that all weapons are to be left at the door.

Almber IS doing his job.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:31 PM

56. Is the rate increasing or decreasing?

When was the last attempt in this country?

Almberg made an out of order motion, and petulantly stomped out when he lost. That is not doing his job.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:58 PM

63. What do you call the shooting of Gabby Giffords? She was shot in the head...

... and was meant to die.

Nothing petulant about it.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:26 PM

23. +100.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:16 PM

46. It is a danger to everyone there

What if the gun is taken from him?

What if he, himself, is a danger?

No one can read another's thoughts, but an armed man has the potential to kill many people and it is that potential that makes the situation an unknown.

A wise person avoids potentially dangerous situations.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:20 PM

48. An explication of your choice of phrases

"Delicate" = "not manly"

"Wilting" = implying flaccidity, once again "not manly"

Rather revealing word choices.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:34 PM

58. A better explanation

There is a poster here who like to call gun owners "delicate flowers". I am simply returning the favor.



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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:25 PM

51. "[councilmember] Almberg was a DELICATE FLOWER flower who wilted publicly." YES! +1 (nt)

 

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:07 PM

13. And

 

You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:17 PM

20. Hey yeah

You should love my idea about gun alarms then. Let the world know how proud (but full of fear) that you are that you are packing heat. "Look at me", you could tell everyone near you: "I'm dangerous and can shoot you if I want."

Why hide it? Sound off! Don't be afraid to tell the world. You have the right to be more dangerous than anyone else!

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:29 PM

55. Nobody has to plan on shooting anyone to be dangerous

How many stories have we read of "responsible gun owners" who blow their head or someone else's off while doing innocuous things (which of course the Gungeon types run in to analyze and break down why those people "are not the norm"). How the fuck am I supposed to know that the guy with a concealed carry permit isn't going to do something stupid that causes me to get fucking blown away while I'm sitting listening at a town council meeting. And be fucking dead while the asshole lives on, filing his reports with the NRA and whomever else will defend him, shrugging his shoulders claiming "It was just an accident, I did nothing wrong, such is the price people have to pay for MAAAAHH RIIIOTS".

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:44 PM

6. What was the mayor defending the armed nut from? Shooting himself in the foot?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:54 PM

9. Keping the Mayor from being shot?

Armed people, as any idiot knows, are dangerous people who plan on shooting someone. Otherwise why are they packing?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:13 PM

15. What a rediculous hateful idiotic question

 

Are you drunk?

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Response to Berserker (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:21 PM

22. Yeah i hate dangerous people with guns.

Guns alone, sitting in a locked cabinet, are ok. It's people that kill and those dangerous people with guns, in public, are what kills people. Can't argue against that without going beserker, can you?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:38 PM

31. You sound like

 

Earl and your other brother Earl. You can never be taken seriously when you say anyone with a carry conceal license wants to just kill people.
That is ridiculous and you know it.
You should try for one.
Maybe you won't pass and that way when you meet one of us you will know we have been law abiding citizens all of our lives and we are not the ones to be in fear of. Stop your hate it will get you nowhere.
And as for my name I am a Vikings fan that's all.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:47 PM

35. wants to just kill people. I never said that. Never.

Why do you make up bullshit like that? Because you are scared to have an honest debate?

I know plenty of 'you'. And when 'you' have a gun 'you' are dangerous. And when we have gun alarms, the worst of 'you' - the criminal minded and half insane, will be giving us a warning. What, you don't want us to know the criminal minded and half insane are packing heat?

Really, why coddle the criminals like you want? Just because all of you are dangerous and you don't want to be seen as being just like the criminals? Why do you want the criminal gun packers to be hidden?

Can you answer anything without making up bullshit?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:55 PM

37. It's people that kill and those dangerous people with guns, in public, are what kills people.

 

You said that.
And I think you are nuts by your posts.
Have a nice evening.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:03 PM

40. You think I am nuts?

You have nothing to fear from me. But I do have lots to fear of the gun nuts.

Sorry to have made it so all you can do is mumble about your guns, but maybe you now realize that we see you as dangerous when you have a gun? And maybe that is what makes gun nuts so crazy about guns is that a gun makes them feel dangerous?

I think that's it. Gun nuts feel powerless without a gun.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:10 PM

43. not quite but close

"Who was he planning on shooting?

If he wasn't planning on shooting someone why was he packing heat?"

if he had a gun he must be planning on shooting people..............................



I never plan on shooting anyone, hope I never have to. I am sure that is the feeling of 99.9% CCW permit holders. I was a boy scout and like to be prepared.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:15 PM

45. Not even close

But hey, being a gun nut means not having to be close to shoot someone.

So what we need to do is make closed off gun nut rooms for packers. Bullet proof glass, and herd them all in there so the rest of us can go about not worrying about getting shot.

Yeah, extreme, but they make smokers sit apart. Why not gun nuts?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:40 PM

34. question

1. how many legal CCW carriers have openly killed someone in a public place?

2. how many CCW permit holders are in the U.S.?

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:52 PM

36. How many? Too many. On both counts

Now, if we have gun alarms of some kind even the criminals who are packing will be noticed. Do you want packing criminals to go unnoticed? How about the half insane?

Why are some afraid to tell people they are packing heat? I understand criminals wanting to hide. Why do law abiding packers want to hide the fact they are packing? Because you don't want to be avoided and shunned?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:03 PM

39. Well

come up with a gun alarm and get rich

Do you want packing criminals to go unnoticed?
They already do, If you wanted to really impact crime with weapons it would not be going after rifles but handguns. I give you credit for this.

Why are some afraid to tell people they are packing heat?
Do not know about others, but I am not afraid, Concealed is the law that is what CCW is.

Why do law abiding packers want to hide the fact they are packing?
I do not need to bring attention to myself or cause unreasonable fear to others. I very rarely carry and have had to pass training and have a federal background check and also be checked by my local sheriff.

Because you don't want to be avoided and shunned?
No

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:07 PM

41. Not everyone is like you

And that is why we have to do something about people packing guns.

You seem reasonable, you don't seem like a gun nut at all.

So here is a question: Why don't you pack everywhere you go?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #41)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:13 PM

44. Do not need to

I take into account my surroundings. I am former military and do risk assessments. And no I would not carry to city hall. It is also illegal in my state.

Nice to have a reasonable discussion.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:08 PM

42. You would have to know Oak harbor to appreciate the inanity of this.

Full of retired Navy and other miltary, sitting all by its lonesome at the north end of Whidbey Island.
22,000 folks, most of them Caucasian, and very little to do around town.
Folks on Whidbey are pretty laid back and mellow, so it is surprising someone would tromp around with a gun at a meeting.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:06 PM

12. If I was him and had the means I'd move to Canada and escape the shooting gallery the NRA wants.

He had every right to walk out. And it's no wonder with the many low-information, instant gratification voters demand from officials that good people are leaving the field. To be replaced by bagger fanatics, who drag everything down to the lowest common denominator and think bullying is what it means to run a country. The mayor should not have listened to people outside his city emailing him.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:15 PM

16. If you watch the story on KOMOTV



..They interview the gun totting citizen. He is a disabled ex-vet who served in Afghanistan. In his closing comment he said he carry's as an extension of his military service... I guess his commander didn't sign his exit papers cause his military service is done.


The councilman also is an ex vet and owns guns. He just does not feel that council chambers is an appropriate place for guns.

If you watch the number in attendance when the gun guy goes to get a seat there are about 20 sitting down..after the vote the number drops to about 7... some I guess did not want to be there knowing some one was packing.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:36 PM

29. I would leave too

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:29 PM

24. I Find it Disturbing he says he Carries to Protect Other People

He's not a sheriff or a police officer. He has no business having the impression he is responsible for protecting other people with his gun. That pushes him toward being a vigilante.

He was trained as a solider, not a law enforcement officer. They are two very different things.

What exactly will be his decision-making process for when to draw his weapon to protect other people? It scares me to think about it.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:30 PM

25. KOMO seems to be a little slow at the news?

This was actively discussed back on Monday in the Guns forum.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172105310

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:31 PM

26. I sent an email. I hope I spelled yahoo right. C'mon people send an email nt

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:33 PM

27. ...he carry's as an extension of his..what?

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:34 PM

28. considering there have been instances where people have come right out and shot at

council members before I don't blame Almberg for walking out. Council meetings can get very heated and citizens get very angry when council members do something they don't agree with. Why should this guy get to carry a weapon with him just because he is a veteran? My brother is a veteran and he doesn't carry a weapon every where he goes.

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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:39 PM

33. PTSD that would Be My Concern



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Response to rsmith6621 (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:08 AM

65. If I became aware that someone in the room with me

was carrying a loaded weapon, other than a peace officer, I would leave immediately also. And living in Arizona, it's not theoretical.

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