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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHi, everybody! Here is your Friday Afternoon Challenge: “Group Shots”!
Can you name their titles?
And please dont cheat...it ruins the Challenge for others...
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snooper2
(30,151 posts)god's first attempt at a black hole?
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It was his first go at "Sea Lion Going After Anchovies"
And not one decent upskirt view in the bunch.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Then I realized you meant "piazza"
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)sticking out around the arch as if those fellows were peaking though some windows!
I identified the woman on the left as St Barbara immediately, and didn't know how I did that until I looked closed and saw her holding a tower. I saw it before I saw it, so to speak.
Anyone else spot St. Sebastian there on the bottom?
Also - John the Baptist, St. Roch, St. James.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)CTyankee
(63,892 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,528 posts)CTyankee
(63,892 posts)oldhippie
(3,249 posts)But I see the warning about cheating. I'm not sure what constitutes cheating in this contest. How would one cheat? Don't look in books? Don't search the 'net? Just go from memory? Please explain for a newbie. Thanks.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)It's pretty simple but I needn't go into it here.
Just plain Googling is just fine and what everybody does. Books, great! Memory, wonderful!
What I really want is a conversation about art. The Challenge is just a little "hook" to get people wondering and trying to find out...it's a wonderful experience and folks seem to like doing the sleuthing!
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)I didn't think of that, but now that you mention it I understand. OK, no cheating.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)folks tell me that they have fun with the "chase."
panader0
(25,816 posts)If you don't know it, you don't know it. P.S. What is googling?
CT, I love your challenges. Thanks
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)so they Google the subject of the picture and up come a bunch of other pictures maybe of the same theme and then they start exploring. some people never had art history in school so they might find this a really illuminating experience.
Google provides a very important service in this regard. People indulge their need and love for art and what's the harm? I really don't want to "stump" anybody. I want them to look further and find what they might not know (boy, do I know about that!). I've heard from several DUers that my Challenges have helped them find things they never knew were there and that makes me feel so good!
gateley
(62,683 posts)CTyankee
(63,892 posts)I always K&R to help keep it going, then come back to be educated after those who know have weighed in.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)horseshoecrab
(944 posts)#3 is called Fanatics of Tangier and is by Eugene Delacroix.
CTYankee. Always love your art challenge!
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)evidently, the poor guy was in a house when the street riot erupted and he glimpsed the events through the louvered shade...probably terrified...
horseshoecrab
(944 posts)There was no doubt that it was Delacroix's style. Looking him up on google was able to find the name of this work.
So I learned that these dervishes would sweep through entire towns this way, scaring up the populace, causing a racket and collecting alms. Perhaps a case of "nice town you got here... It'd be a shame if anything happened to it?"
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)able to post too much tomorrow...I'm here tonight, tho!...
horseshoecrab
(944 posts)Urban Baby -- I love it.
Have a wonderful first meeting with Jack tomorrow, CTYankee!
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)This work is the street art of its time (and it is still on the street...) and is a part of a fascinating period of labor history (way back history!).
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)It looks familiar to me...but I'm blanking out...
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)Can't believe I found it.
Tabernacle of the Fonticine by Giovanni Della Robbia. It's a street tabernacle and is apparently part of a tradition of having a madonna on every street.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)easy enough because of the glazed terra cotta. But not as refined and frankly not nearly as well done as Luca's work.
The "labor history" of this is very interesting and I have to thank Jill Burke for her scholarship on this from her excellent essay pushing back on the meme that only the great families of Florence were responsible for the wonderful art of Florence in the early to mid Italian Renaissance. This appears in her piece in "Viewing Renaissance Art" a Yale University Press book and her essay is entitled "Florence Art and the Public Good." She asserts that the guilds and other labor organizations of the day were ardent supporters of the art of the era and responsible for much of its greatness.
This work was sponsored about one of the poorest of labor groups in the city, the wool workers. It demarcated their "territory" where they lived and also served as a kind of supplication to the Virgin and the saints Barbara and Caterina to give them aid in the time of pestilence (black death).
I'd be interested in knowing the source you had, since I haven't run across too many references to this particular tabernacle. Please share it since I think it would be a great read and I love anything about that era in Florence.
Note the homage to the doors of the Baptistery, with the popping out heads surrounding the scene?
horseshoecrab
(944 posts)The style told me that this was one of the Della Robbia, so being pretty sure of that was a big help, eventually.
Did a lot of searches for "della robbia, outdoor art, florence." Still not finding it. Figured out that it was a tabernacle by its shape. I just stared at the thing waiting for something - anything - to jump out and me. Worked on the inscription where I found something that really helped:
The inscription on the tabernacle states that it was posted on the Via Chaterina in 1522 (MDXXII). Couldn't be Luca - he died in 1482. So, this would have to have been either Andrea or Giovanni Della Robbia.
So, this narrowed it down. A search on "Della Robbia, Florence, tabernacle 1522" and variations of that led quickly to the big hits.
The hits that I would call scholarly are:
http://www.academia.edu/425678/_Every_Sort_of_Manual_Type_and_Mostly_Foreigners_Migrants_Brothers_and_Festive_Kings_in_Early_Modern_Florence
This deals with the wool workers, in this case German and Flemish immigrants, and how much they added to the Florence art scene in their commissioning of these works.
and also this, in which author, Allan Marquand, mentions Giovanni's homage to Ghiberti's bronze gate, and plenty more!
http://books.google.com/books?id=VMQVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=inscription+on+Tabernacolo+delle+Fonticine&source=bl&ots=007C8_dpBt&sig=wL1xz1zI2CsD-gzlCb3Mp05PJ7c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JQkEUajRI-my0QGB3YHQAw&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=inscription%20on%20Tabernacolo%20delle%20Fonticine&f=false
Love those popping heads on the baptistery gate and on the tabernacle! Fascinating challenge this week.
Hope this helps CTYankee.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)a very lefty message and I love it!).
This stuff is great, altho I think lots of folks would think us crazy for our eating it all up!
I wish I could find the other two companion books to Viewing Art in the Renaissance put out by Yale University Press, but I can't seem to find them in my library...and I only get library books now, alas...no more room for more books in my house!
gateley
(62,683 posts)I'm especially intrigued by#'s 2 and 5 -- and love the floor on #1!
getting old in mke
(813 posts)Looks like a view of the Rapture from the point of view of one left behind. For some reason I think of this on the ceiling of some English country house.
gateley
(62,683 posts)but that's sure a possibility!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I'm guessing this is the same subject by another artist.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)seemed determined to "lose" linear perspective and indulged in a bit of wildness that I find disturbing. Tintoretto can be, to me, particularly strange. There's some weird stuff with those guys...it's probably my least favorite styles/eras of Western art. Rosso da Fiorentino was downright unhinged and painted some crazed looking madonne and saints (but then comes up with some adorable putti)...
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)http://www.italian-renaissance-art.com/Fra-Filippo-Lippi.html
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)The model for Salome is, of course, Lippi's mistress and mother of his future children, who had been a noviate nun under his "care" as a monk at their convent in Prato when she got inconveniently impregnated by him when she was posing as his Madonnas....
gateley
(62,683 posts)CTyankee
(63,892 posts)should have been one (he was "given" to the church as a young child, a common practice in those days). So he drank and caroused as a monk and was (incredibly) put in charge of a convent of nuns, of all things. Because he was producing great art for the church (this was at the beginning of the counter reformation, after all) the Pope "took pity" on him and the teenaged novitiate he impregnated and told them they could relinquish their vows and marry. She did but he kept on...
If you are ever in the Uffizi in Florence you will see this lovely young woman Lippi painted as his Maddone in several works. Such beauty...
gateley
(62,683 posts)CTyankee
(63,892 posts)by two women authors, Laura Morowitz and Laurie Lico Albanese. Albanese wrote this article in the NYT back in 2008: http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/travel/02next.html?_r=0 about the restoration of this fresco. It is in the Prato Cathedral (outside Florence) which is where they have the green sash of the Virgin, allegedly thrown down to the apostle Thomas by the Virgin on her way up to heaven in the Assumption. The sash is displayed on Sept. 8, the Virgin's Feast Day.
reteachinwi
(579 posts)was The Ascension of Christ by Bernardino Gatti , but alas...
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)Mannerism...
reteachinwi
(579 posts)but they were following a tough act.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 26, 2013, 03:16 AM - Edit history (1)
moments in art...what the hell was he thinking....???? but it is not Gatti...
burrowowl
(17,632 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)Is #1 a Botticelli?
#4 is Jeff Koons, of course <joke>
getting old in mke
(813 posts)That was the hint I needed to find it. Once I saw others of his, the style is very clear. Sort of like one of the old-fashioned photo shops.
(I guess so--you edited it to #5 while I was replying )
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)getting old in mke
(813 posts)The Women of Amphissa
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)getting old in mke
(813 posts)I hadn't heard of him before, so started browsing.
He has sort of an unreal realism going on. Of course it helps that I'm currently listening my way through a series of audiobooks that take place in ancient Rome.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)has regained somewhat. I had greeting card with his "spring" on it so I have been impressed with him for some time. His stuff is beautiful...
Chiyo-chichi
(3,574 posts)The woman in the center looking straight out at the viewer is the artist's wife.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)I love this link to the picture's history. It is illuminating.
thanks so much for informing all of us. Where did you find it?
Chiyo-chichi
(3,574 posts)This one grabbed me for some reason and I wanted to know more.
I think the first thing that drew me in was that the group of 3 or 4 women to the left in the foreground look almost photo realistic as compared to the 3 women who are on the floor in the foreground.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)story...
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)CTyankee
(63,892 posts)As for #6,shame on you..you will be SO unhappy...look at the clues...you will get it...
(not really, you are great, Cthulu...just wrong on this one...)
malaise
(268,717 posts)Don't have a clue
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)I not only don't have a clue, I don't have any idea how to cheat.
She always says "no cheating". I can' even figure out how the hell you would cheat at this.
Now I do provide a valuable community service, however, as everyone else can say, despite how little they may know, "at least I know more than grantcart" and that would be true.
malaise
(268,717 posts)Like you I don't even know how to cheat at this.
I do love this weekly thread.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)on google and up it comes). There I told you.
But most people here are good sports or at least I believe them to be. If they feel that they have to cheat to get to the right answer, then they're missing the whole point which is the joy of the art pursuit!
grantcart
(53,061 posts)right click locator I could figure it out.
Nope.
I still enjoy your threads a lot but in order for me to participate you are going to have to use examples of original artwork used in creating American cartoons circa 1960 to 1965, preferably from the Warner Brothers Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck school of art.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)interesting or that "speak" to you...if you know what I mean...
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)If you know what I mean...
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Jealous of their commercial success!!
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)My kids still get royalty payments whenever those old cartoons are played.
Through him I also knew Jack Zander who created the character of Jerry in the old Tom and Jerry cartoons. He was living in the NYC area at the time I knew him, having moved there from California after he did the Tom and Jerry cartoons...
However, I do not know enough about cartoon art to include them in a Challenge. I think the history of cartoon art is wonderful and there were some great artists who did them (I mean commercially in the political sense that we mean it today -- "cartoon" has a different connotation in art history).
grantcart
(53,061 posts)BTW I always consider it a win when I am able to get CTyankee to respond to one of my bizzare off the wall posts.
Its the only way I can score on the Friday challenge.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)I luv ya for that! You are so sweet...thanks...
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)CTyankee
(63,892 posts)Folks here do it all the time and so do I! Love it!
reteachinwi
(579 posts)and Jules-Descartes Ferat has a bio that matches the hint CTYankee gave us but I haven't identified the work.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)Suich
(10,642 posts)#5 sure looks like a photo...how did he do that? Must be a warm day, with the women sitting and laying all over that cool marble floor!
Hekate
(90,562 posts)burrowowl
(17,632 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Detail from:
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)by Raphael, but it's been turned into Nappy Time at the ladies' spa.
YAWN!!!!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)The composition was influenced by Melozzo da Forlì's perspective and includes the decoration of the dome base, which represents the four protector saints of Parma: St. John the Baptist with the lamb, St. Hilary with a yellow mantle, St. Thomas (or Joseph[1]) with an angel carrying the martyrdom palm leaf, and St. Bernard, the sole figure looking upwards.
Below the feet of Jesus, the uncorrupt Virgin in red and blue robes is lofted upward by a vortex of singing or otherwise musical angels. Ringing the base of the dome, between the windows, stand the perplexed Apostles, as if standing around the empty tomb in which they have just placed her. In the group of the blessed can be seen: Adam and Eve, Judith with the head of Holofernes. At the centre of the dome is a foreshortened beardless Jesus descending to meet his mother.
Correggio's Assumption would eventually serve as a catalyst and inspiration for the dramatically-illusionistic, di sotto in su ceiling paintings of the 17th-century Baroque period. In Correggio's work, and in the work of his Baroque heirs, the entire architectural surface is treated as a single pictorial unit of vast proportions and opened up via painting, so that the dome of the church is equated with the vault of heaven. The illusionistic manner in which the figures seem to protrude into the spectators' space was, at the time, an audacious and astounding use of foreshortening, though the technique later became common among Baroque artists who specialized in illusionistic vault decoration.
Among many other works, Correggio's Assumption inspired Carlo Cignani for his fresco Assumption of the Virgin, in the cathedral church of Forlì; and Giovanni Lanfranco's fresco of the dome in the church of Sant'Andrea della Valle in Rome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_the_Virgin_(Correggio)
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)As posted in the thread, subject to confirmation/correction by CTyankee:
1. Fra Filippo Lippi - Herod's Banquet
2. Correggio - Assumption of the Virgin
3. Eugene Delacroix - Fanatics of Tangier
4. Giovanni Della Robbia - Tabernacle of the Fonticine
5. Sir Lawrence Alma-Tadema - The Women of Amphissa
6. J. M. W. Turner - The Battle of Trafalgar
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)I'm off to catch a train to Manhattan to see my new grandbaby but I'll be back tonight and will check in with you...interested in knowing your art chase with Correggio from that loony Mannerist period!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)All of these works were tough, because in most cases they weren't turning up in normal searching, even after repeated tweaks of the search terms. For more tweaking ideas for the Correggio, I looked at the titles of similar works, some of which included names like Abraham and some prominent saints--but the names were no help. Other terms from the titles finally did it. I don't think I used 'assumption'--I think I found it when I included 'apotheosis.' (As you know, one can get a bit spacey after searching a lot of images, and it can be hard to remember what was the final key.)
The Turner should have been the easiest. But I think I overlooked the painting when it popped up in early searches because I wasn't recognizing it from the detail (easy to do when looking at small images of large canvasses). It was only looking at the titles of similar works that led me to include 'Trafalgar' in my search terms.
I think horseshoecrab's find (the Giovanni Della Robbia) may have been the toughest (along with the Sir Lawrence), because I couldn't find it even when I searched on 'tabernacle.'
Thanks for another great challenge, CTyankee. This one was tough--but I guess I'm addicted to the weekly combo of torture and fun. (Do you think I need to see someone about that?)
horseshoecrab
(944 posts)I simply gave up on the Turner. I know what you mean -- In the heat of the chase, things melt together but I'm glad you kept at it pinboy3niner!
Thanks for the hat-tip. That tabernacle was brutal but gratifying to hunt down. The Turner was tougher because of it being a detail. So hat's off back at you!
Combo of torture and fun? hmmm . . .
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)work. To me a tabernacle is more like Orcagna's in the Orsanmichele. The della Robbia looked more like a shrine. Usually, a tabernacle has a painting or a crucifix recessed with a four cornered apparatus enclosing it. Or at least the way I see it...
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)this...
entanglement
(3,615 posts)I didn't get any individual titles correct, but I at least guessed Lawrence Alma-Tadema correctly so that counts for something, doesn't it? I find pre-Raphaelite artists the easiest to identify, for some reason.
Too bad I failed to identify Delacroix despite having seen so many of his beautiful works
As a token of thanks, here is one of my Delacroix favorites - it is also based on his North African odyssey.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)Have you seen his works in the Louvre? I found "Death of Sardanapolous" to be quite impressive...that section is dumbfounding...Gericault is there and "Death of the Virgin" by Caravaggio is not too far away...
entanglement
(3,615 posts)quite the experience!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Most of us struggle to search for images, but we have the utmost respect for those who have real art knowledge.
Nice Delacroix you posted, too.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)are more inclined to embrace it than some the art of some other eras...this is my non-scientifically based theory and maybe it's cracked, but there is something about it that we look for and "hunger" for...kind of like sweetness in foods...AT is particularly good at his craft and art and deserves our respect.
entanglement
(3,615 posts)I am (alas) a dilettante and very far from possessing "real art knowledge". However, I've found that visiting CTYankee's thread weekly does have a rather beneficial effect.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)the library and websites on art...I've also been lucky enough to travel and look at art so I have been lucky so far.
I am so glad you like this project. I feel good that I am engendering a bit of interest in art here!
Thank you for your kind and encouraging words...
rppper
(2,952 posts)CTyankee
(63,892 posts)Link to history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vank_Cathedral
Thank you for this information. What a fabulous history there...