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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:37 PM

Are Obama's progressive hints and Reid's capitulation all of a piece?

Reid's capitulation on filibuster gives Obama cover to make any kind of progressive happy talk, both of them knowing that there's no chance for any movement forward in Senate and House.

So we must ask: was this coordinated? Obama's inaugural speech raised the hearts and hopes of many on the left. Then Reid's deal with the devils (a total reversal of his previous intentions) cemented any progressive legislation dead on arrival.

Is this strategy? Coordinated?

Or happenstance?

Has there been any comment from the WH on Reid's capitulation?

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Reply Are Obama's progressive hints and Reid's capitulation all of a piece? (Original post)
grasswire Jan 2013 OP
lunatica Jan 2013 #1
MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #2
daleanime Jan 2013 #3
Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #4
grasswire Jan 2013 #8
southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #5
leftstreet Jan 2013 #6
Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #7
Still Sensible Jan 2013 #9
grasswire Jan 2013 #10
phleshdef Jan 2013 #11
Scurrilous Jan 2013 #14
grasswire Jan 2013 #15
1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #16
Taverner Jan 2013 #12
RedstDem Jan 2013 #13
forestpath Jan 2013 #17

Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:40 PM

1. Hahahahahahaaaaa!

That's a mighty stretch there pilgrim.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:41 PM

2. Sure makes you wonder, doesn't it?

 

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:43 PM

3. Don't care which way it went down....

already knew we would working against our "elected officials" in order to do anything.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:48 PM

4. YAY! More unfounded speculation, and bizarre conspiracy theories. We don't have enuf of 'em.





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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:52 PM

8. When Democratic politicians start consistently acting in understandable and clear...

....ways that don't look like weakness, we Democrats will all be on the same page.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:49 PM

5. Well I think we need to start asking when are we going to get more FDR dems. From

 

now on when the DNC calls and asks for money I am going to tell them if there isn't a FDR democrat running am not going to give them money..

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:51 PM

6. Obama gets a 4 yr vacation, photographing unicorns n/t

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:52 PM

7. It is plausible it is not like either of them are very progressive or liberal

 

Besides Pres Obamas words rarely if ever are the same as his actions so your theory does hold water.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:03 PM

9. Well, while the meek filibuster "reform" is incredibly disappointing

the current, gerrymandered make up of the House already cements a ceiling on the potential amount and speed of progressive legislation in the next couple years.

I don't think the President and Reid sat down and said "gee, here's a great plan to fuck liberals!"

In the near term, my disgust for the tepid deal Reid brokered with McConnell is because it doesn't do very much to open the floodgates and get the President's appointments expedited.

If Reid, for lack of votes, had to abandon the "speaking" filibuster, I certainly wanted the onus switched to the minority so that they would have to actually produce the 41 votes... instead, the onus remains on the majority to produce their 60. For the life of me, I can't understand why Reid couldn't/didn't at least do that.

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Response to Still Sensible (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:05 PM

10. the answer lies in another thread

Reid played us all.

"Reformers in and out of the Senate believe that Reid tapped into their enthusiasm to advance his goal."

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:06 PM

11. Next person that uses the words "capitulation", "cave" or "triangulation" should get cliche banned.

Reid didn't "capitulate". He just knows how to fucking count. When is DU and the progressive community as a whole going to attempt to get better at Senate math?

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:18 PM

14. ....

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:32 PM

15. you're right....he didn't capitulate

This reportedly was his plan from the get-go.

"Reformers in and out of the Senate believe that Reid tapped into their enthusiasm to advance his goal."

He played us.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:46 PM

16. Probably never ...

because in their/our living rooms, on our couches, in our basements, in our bedrooms, the solution always is, "All we gotta do is ...", because that's as far as it'll go - from their/our living rooms, on our couches, in our basements, in our bedrooms, onto the internet.

Whereas, in DC, the Statehouse, City Council Chambers, those capitulating, caving, triangulating folks, are not afforded that luxury, someboby actually has to do something with what they come up with, and not all of them are on your side.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:06 PM

12. I doubt it, but let's check back in 2 years

 

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:16 PM

13. i'm going with

yes...

or more precisely, duh!

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:59 PM

17. I don't think it matters.

 

After President Obama put SS cuts on the table in December, what he said about it and Medicare in his inaugural speech didn't get my hopes up.

So, I don't think he and Harry Reid needed to coordinate with each other because they already knew exactly where the other one already really stood anyway.

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