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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:58 AM

Tennessee Supreme Court Considers Whether Minor Is An Accomplice In Her Own Statutory Rape

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2013/01/22/tennessee-supreme-court-considers-whether-minor-is-an-accomplice-in-statutory-rap

It's hard to imagine a more devastatingly unjust view of child sex crimes than one that considers the victim as an accomplice in the crime committed against them. But in Tennessee that's the very issue before the state supreme court in a case that has drawn attention to a centuries old rule that strikes some troubling contemporary notes on rape, consent and force.

In State v. Collier, a 42 year-old man was convicted of aggravated statutory rape after having sex with a 14-year-old victim. Collier, who authorities say was an old friend of the teenager's father, allegedly picked the victim up from a friend's house, took her back to his home where he had sex with her. When the girl returned home the next day she told police she had called Collier from her friend's house and that he picked her up and that she had consented to sex with him. Based on her statement Collier was arrested and charged with aggravated statutory rape.

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Believe it or not, under Tennessee common law, it is possible for a minor sex crime victim to also be an accomplice in the crime. The issue turns on whether that victim voluntarily consented to the sexual activity. If your head is swimming after that last sentence, you are not alone. The very idea of statutory rape is that some kinds of sexual encounters are legally impossible to consent to per se—such as the one between a forty-two-year-old man and a fourteen-year-old girl. Yet in Tennessee a string of cases suggest the pernicious idea that minors are culpable in their victimization is not at all a thing of the past.

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Some legal observers believe the Tennessee Supreme Court agreed to hear the case in order to do away with this idea once and for all. But when the state Supreme Court in Alabama unilaterally declares a fetus a person by judicial fiat, it is hard to feel optimistic about this kind of case. And that is even more true in a political climate where conservatives freely invoke the rhetoric of "legitimate rape" and "honest rape" and when judges in states like California opine on whether a rape victim's case is "real" or merely a "criminal law problem" during the sentencing of her perpetrator. We can talk about the Tennessee law as "arcane" but if it is used to support decisions in the modern day, there is nothing arcane about it. Here the State Supreme Court has an opportunity to make an important clarification in the law and end the legal practice of diminishing the victimization of statutory rape survivors. Let's hope the court takes such an opportunity seriously.


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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:05 PM

1. Far better we should teach her that her actions have no consequences.

 

Heaven forbid she should be held accountable for doing something incredibly irresponsible. Our teenagers must be taught that they can get away with anything at all.

...she told police she had called Collier from her friend's house and that he picked her up and that she had consented to sex with him.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:11 PM

3. Wow. nt

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Response to redqueen (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:22 PM

10. Jaw meet desk

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:21 PM

7. you want her prosecuted? holy crap, have you lost your marbles?

this is a child and is the victim.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:24 PM

15. Of course not. Like I said in my post, her actions should not have consequences.

 

No teenager should ever have to experience the indignity of experiencing consequences for their bad choices.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:30 PM

23. what consequences?

you're saying she should do time, for, um what?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:34 PM

30. No. She should NOT be punished in any way.

 

As a fourteen year old it's her right to do anything she wants without any punishment of any kind. After all, no fourteen year old can be expected to know right from wrong. That's just unfair.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:39 PM

45. why are you afraid to say what you think should happen to her?

you're derailing this thread over a ridiculous opinion that you won't even own up to.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:42 PM

50. I think NOTHING should happen to her. nt

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:44 PM

52. you aren't being honest about that

you keep talking about consequences for her actions.

you wouldn't keep harping on how nothing should be done to her for WHAT SHE DID, if you weren't playing a very dishonest game here.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:46 PM

55. I'm simply taking a CONSISTENT position and defending her innocence. nt

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #55)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:50 PM

67. No, we aren't as stupid as you think we are --you're trying to make her victim status a strawman

you are attempting to be coy and say that she is the victim here, just like if she shoplifted or stole a car, she'd also be the victim.

you won't even own it, while totally disrupting a thread which everyone agrees that she is the victim.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:46 PM

56. Oh stop.

How stupid do you think we are? You are being completely disingenuous and you know it. What no one can figure out is what you're trying to prove. Why don't you try giving us a genuine response, and not that childish one you've repeatedly posted?

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:48 PM

62. My position: She should NOT be prosecuted. End of story. nt

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #62)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:08 PM

97. Then why do you keep adding that no 14 year old should

ever be taught a lesson about anything, and that they should be allowed to do anything they want at all times. It does not make sense.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:49 PM

65. and the 42 year old man? No consequences either?

because going through a rape trial is far from "no consequences, so I'm assuming you think the whole thing should just be dropped?
Pls clarify.


1. Far better we should teach her that her actions have no consequences.

Heaven forbid she should be held accountable for doing something incredibly irresponsible. Our teenagers must be taught that they can get away with anything at all.

...she told police she had called Collier from her friend's house and that he picked her up and that she had consented to sex with him.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #65)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:54 PM

75. He is SCUM and should rot in jail forever.

 

If scum like that ever laid a hand one of my teenage grandchildren I'd cut off his male parts and cram them down his throat.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #75)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:03 PM

92. so wtf-> "Heaven forbid she should be held accountable for doing something incredibly irresponsible"

what WAS your point bringing this up?
"...she told police she had called Collier from her friend's house and that he picked her up and that she had consented to sex with him."
Because it looks like snark and victim blaming.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:29 PM

137. So you're gonna just triple down on the sarcasm...

...and try to tell us that's yor actual position?

Think it'll work?

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Response to Iggo (Reply #137)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:33 PM

146. Bored now.

 

Nobody seems to be getting my point.

And nobody seems will to give me an itemized list of which poor choices a teenager should and should not be held accountable for.

Logging off to go do something productive now.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #146)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:35 PM

148. You bored us a long time ago.

And yes, no one got whatever point you were sadly trying to make. I hope the rest of your day gets a better effort.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #146)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:38 PM

151. Disgusted right now. And "god forbid" you have a clear POV because your

sarcastic first post here said it all.
you'd have to be a fucking idiot to take it at face value. you were making light of rape.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #146)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:54 PM

166. You lose.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #146)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:38 PM

207. Your PPR was well deserved!

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #146)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:48 PM

215. Try practicing trolling a different site, maybe? nt

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #146)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:28 PM

237. I guess it didn't work.

Spectacular flameout, though.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #146)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:40 PM

258. Logging off ...

Is the most productive thing you'll do today.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #146)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 02:39 AM

341. Enjoy the PPR.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=131756&sub=trans

Posting Privileges Revoked
Revoked on Jan 25, 2013

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Rape apologist: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022258199
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Response to alp227 (Reply #341)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:22 AM

346. Yeah.

TBH, this guy wasn't exactly one who was above trolling in general, and I was on the receiving end of it myself on a few occasions(I'm not the only one, either), but I can also say that whatever happened in that regard is rather minor compared to what was said here yesterday(TBH, I never did expect him to go this far, though. Not in a million years. ).

Skinner did the right thing, IMO.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:26 PM

235. Pardon me for jumping in here, but I think you should stop and think

about how it comes about that a 14 year old girl consents to sex with a 42 yr old man. Ask yourself, What kind of upbringing a 14 yr old child that consents to sex with a man old enough to be her father could have had? Ask, How much parental guidance and what sort of examples must have been set before her- for her to think that she could suffer no consequences for her actions? And the 42 year old father's friend- Knowing his actions constitute a crime, takes advantage of his friends daughter? Some friend! Some father for that matter!


You want to blame the child. Children are called children because they are not adults. Their brains are not fully developed and many lack the maturity to make decisions wisely. It's why selling cigarettes and alcohol to them is illegal. They are deemed to young to make these decision to drink or smoke for themselves until they become 18 or 21. And it is also the reason why sex with a minor is considered illegal, even if she consents!

I think this child has suffered much consequences already and I think you are being unfair.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:08 PM

278. A minor cannot legally choose to have sex. She lacks the mental capacity/maturity to consent.

Thank you for making clear which side you are on in the War on Women.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:21 PM

8. most six year olds will often go along with anything grownups they know suggest, so it's their fault

too, right? They taunted that 42 year old friend of their Dad into wanting them. Poor grownup, all confused by these demanding kids.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:27 PM

17. Not 6, 14.

 

By the time a teenager is fourteen she should be immune to any and all consequences of her actions, just like I said in my post. She is old enough that she should be able to do or say anything she wants to, and never, ever be held accountable for it.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:29 PM

20. Digging your hole deeper and deeper, I see.

You're wrong.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:31 PM

25. So you think she SHOULD be prosecuted?

 

I'll stick with my position. She should NOT be prosecuted. Fourteen year-olds should be free to do or say anything whatsoever without consequences.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:12 PM

109. Speck, you are brilliant

I admire your wit. You're really pissing people off and they can't figure out how to fix it without stepping in it.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #109)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:18 PM

116. That isn't wit. That is a sickening, desperate attempt to blame a CHILD for being raped.

That you find something enjoyable about that pathetic, disgusting effort speaks volumes.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #116)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:24 PM

129. Oh, my. Where did he say that?

Show me.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #129)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:32 PM

144. so you agree with him?

or are you just defending him?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #144)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:24 PM

233. He has said over and over again .....

The girl is not responsible and should not be prosecuted, and the 40 year old man is a scumbag and needs to be prosecuted. What's to defend? Do you disagree with that?

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #233)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:27 PM

236. he was arguing sarcastically

don't say that you read his posts and also say that you didn't notice the sarcasm or thrust of his arguments, which were to assign culpability to her as a party to what happened (even if he tried to be coy by saying that nothing should come about legally as a result).

and what was his reason for saying she shouldn't be punished for shoplifting or driving drunk?

all innocent too, or do you mistakenly think we are that dumb?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #236)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:36 PM

238. And apparently that is not allowed by ....

.... our community standards. Why post a topic on a discussion board if you don't want discussion. We both know the answer. We just want to see "me too" comments and no opinions we don't agree with.

It's OK. I understand completely. I think everyone has made their point. I know what the Community Standards are. I try to adhere to them.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #238)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:13 PM

279. Thank you for making clear where you stand in the War on Women by

supporting a rape apologist who has now been PPR'ed.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #129)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:42 PM

154. He's using sarcasm to suggest that the 14 year old girl is just as responsible in this situatiion as

the 40 year old man. Are you really so dull as to not understand that? Or do you actually understand that yet take the same position? Either way, that's pretty sad.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #154)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:21 PM

229. I see nothing in his posts to suggest that .....

.... "to suggest that the 14 year old girl is just as responsible as the 40 year old .."

Do you? Show me that suggestion.

Yes I understand sarcasm. I also understand people refusing to admit that they have double standards. I'm smarter than you think.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #229)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:32 PM

290. there is no double standard. we don't treat 14 year olds as legal adults because they are not.

we do not treat what happens between two teens the same as what happens between an adult and a teenager.
we expect human beings to take more responsibility for their behavior as they become adults.

what double standard did you think our dear departed troll exposed in his sarcastic rants?

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #290)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:40 PM

294. That's really good to know, but ......

.... if you google "14 year old tried as adult" you'll get a few stories about those things we don't do. I'm sure all those stories are fake.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #294)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:51 PM

302. there are all sorts of "enhancements" to penalties based on the nature of the crime. we have them

for adults too, most often used due to the extraordinary circumstances of the crime committed. many murders are prosecuted as manslaughter, when they aren't. the law works in a myriad of mysterious ways. not always perfect.

but all that has nothing to do with rape laws, sorry.

if you think that ass trolling by making sarcastic jokes about a fourteen year getting raped was brilliant, then you don't get out too much. if you think making excuses for rapists flies for very long here, you're sadly mistaken.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #302)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:46 PM

317. More making stuff up ....

I never said anything about "enhancements." You said "we don't treat 14 year olds as legal adults." I pointed out that we do. You changed the subject.

I have made not one single statement about rape laws, nor have I made any excuses for rapists. I would never do such a thing. But folks here continually make shit up and read whatever they want into a statement to fuel their rage.

Good night. I'm leaving for the weekend.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #317)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:52 PM

319. no you just "high fives" a rape apologist troll and gleaned some deep wisdom from his posts.

which were pure wiseass bullshit, devoid of any purpose except to inflame.
hey, he's already had 4-5 puppets, I'm sure some of you all patting him on the back are 6 and 7.
because there aren't that many deranged assholes here.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #317)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:00 AM

339. Being raped isn't a crime!

Being a rapist is! Get it! How is that concept beyond you?

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #294)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:59 PM

334. I don't agree with those laws.

I don't agree with this law either. Fourteen-year-olds are not adults. Period.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #229)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:10 AM

356. He's suggesting that the 14 year old needs to be punished for being raped.

Are you really so slow as to not see that? Everyone else here does, and the user was PPRed for it. I think it's pretty clear what was meant.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:22 PM

122. no, you do

or you wouldn't have said this:

Heaven forbid she should be held accountable for doing something incredibly irresponsible.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #122)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:03 PM

254. PPRd.

Good to see Skinner won't tolerate that kinda shit. That name rings a bell too, from DU2. Probably been disrupting under the radar forever.

Good riddance to bad rubbish imo.

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Response to Rex (Reply #254)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 02:41 AM

342. With a name like "Speck Tater" most likely some RWer "spectating" at us.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:31 PM

327. WTF with "do or say anything whatever"

NO, the only issue is consenting to sex. And 14 year olds are legally incapable of it. At least with guys that old.

And no one said there would be no "consequences." The parent might well ground her or lecture her or yell at her or something. Or whatever they'd have done had she had sex with a 14 year old boy who might not be prosecuted for it.

But we don't know what the 42 year old did or said, either and so there is not a lot of ground to assume she was being a brat or misbehaving by consenting. The idea is that the 42 year old should know better and you should be a lot more concerned that HE have some consequences. That's the issue being discussed here.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:02 PM

253. Rope my friend, he just kept grabbing for more rope

and it looks like Skinner was more than happy to provide.

That one has left the building.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:36 PM

39. how is one "accountable" for being raped?

If your car is stolen, should you be held accountable for being robbed?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:38 PM

44. speck is saying

by 14 she knows better and should not be held accountable. So I guess by this logic the 6 yro who doesn't know better should be held accountable

I think I woke up in the Twilight Zone today

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:40 PM

46. this is some twisted stuff

and I'm not buying the attempt to dissemble.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:41 PM

47. I'm saying she DOES NOT know better. You got my position backwards.

 

Kids at 14 should not be held accountable for anything. Not for sex, not for shoplifting, not for bullying, not for fighting. It's just in their nature to explore and test the limits. We MUST allow them to do anything whatsoever without any punishment. How else will they learn to be self-reliant?

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:46 PM

57. You are a misogynist troll. Fuck off.

There's a reason statutory rape laws are on the books.

And part of it is people like you.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #57)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:49 PM

66. My position: She should NOT be prosecuted. Do you disgree? nt

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #66)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:51 PM

69. I recognize a really lame attempt to engage in a satirical reductio ad aburdem

argument.

The problem is that your position is reprehensible.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:47 PM

58. If you are going to be disingenuous, at least try and make it clever instead...

of simply appalling.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #58)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:44 PM

158. Seriously, people should be required to obtain a license to employ sarcasm.

The bulk of the people who use it only do so because their arguments are incredibly asinine to begin with. I never thought I'd see sarcasm used to defend child rapists. It's a pretty sickening sight.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #158)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:50 PM

164. Yep, it is a very sickening sight...

when one has nothing substantive to say in defense an indefensible position, as is the case here, they fall back on pathetically obvious disingenuous posts digging their hole ever deeper, imo.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:48 PM

63. Really...



So in the comparison you addressed the 14 yr old- should the 6 yr old be punished so they will know better?

At what age should rape become a crime? 16, 18, 23? 12, 10, 5? Does force need to be used. Some of those toddlers and tiaras dress pretty provocatively but we could allow them to explore their limits, maybe some older relative taught them about sex...

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #63)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:50 PM

68. She was the VICTIM and SHOULD NOT be prosecuted. I don't know how to make it clearer. nt

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #68)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:57 PM

82. And you include

shoplifting, bullying etc. She would be the victim too.

What should a minor face consequences for?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #82)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:01 PM

90. Nothing, of course.

 

Unless you want to start claiming that some bad choices should have consequences and some should not depending how emotional we adults feel about those choices. What kind of hypocrisy would that be?

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #90)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:19 PM

194. Let's clear up something...

This has nothing whatsoever to do with the choices of a 14-year-old. Under the law, a child under the age of consent is not able to make choices, so what this child "decided" is not relevant.

I'm a 52-year-old male. If a fourteen-year-old child shows up on my doorstep, buck naked and screaming "Fuck me, Fuck me, Fuck me NOW" the situation is utterly and completely mine to control. If I choose to engage in sex with this child, it's rape. That the child may have expressed consent is not an issue because the child is not CAPABLE of consenting. If I choose to rape a minor, it makes no difference if the child was a willing participant, if the child was legally drunk, or if a beat her senseless first. Rape is rape.

The only choice that matters is the choice made by the adult -- a choice to rape a child and violate the law.

What they're doing in Tennessee is disgusting and disturbing.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #194)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:23 PM

195. Well, that's about as clear as it can be.

I'd love to have some of these rape-defenders respond to it.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #195)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:30 PM

314. Got awfully quiet in here (nt)

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #82)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:05 PM

182. Why is ^^^^ THIS being hidden?

This post gets hidden, yet the numerous posts supporting a child rapist are allowed to stand? What the fuck is going on here?

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Response to EOTE (Reply #182)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:30 PM

200. No shit.

It's like Freaky Freeper Friday.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #182)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:11 PM

245. What a travesty.

I do not wish to be a member of site where rape apologists post freely.
Science Geek is outta here.

I denounce Democratic Underground in the strongest possible terms.

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Response to Science Geek (Reply #245)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:11 AM

357. Just so you know, the user was PPRed, he's gone now.

So, in this case, DU did the right thing. I can continue t post in good conscious.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #68)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:23 PM

126. And I think you are NOT a horrendous asshole.

And definitely not a sickening piece of rape apologist scum.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #126)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:29 PM

136. ^^This^^

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:23 PM

127. nobody believes you, because your first post in this thread makes clear what you believe:

Heaven forbid she should be held accountable for doing something incredibly irresponsible.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2258247

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:14 PM

111. If your gun is stolen , should you be ....

.... accountable for the harm that comes from it?

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #111)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:25 PM

131. What is your point?

Obviously it depends on the circumstances. If the gun was safely secured in a safe, no. If it was left around where it could easily be taken, yes.
Lastly, 14 year olds can't legally own guns. Nor can they consult to sex with an adult.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #131)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:32 PM

145. Point made

It depends.

Thanks.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #145)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:18 PM

281. Absolutism and black-and-white thinking is a RW trait. Again, thank you for letting all of us

know which side you are on in the War on Women.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #281)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:46 PM

300. Why, you're quite welcome ....

But I am not a participant in the war on women, nor men for that matter. I don't think you will find a single post by me where I take a stand one way or the other. All of my comments in this thread have been about process of discussion, not so much content.

I'm glad we are never guilty of any absolutism or black and white thinking around here. That would really suck.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #300)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:50 PM

301. If you are thinking that being a rape apologist's water carrier is going to earn you

friends here, you are sadly mistaken.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #111)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:44 PM

259. Yes! Absolutely!

Gun owners should be held accountable.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #261)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:01 PM

263. We should never blame them for being victims.

Blaming people for being irresponsible is a different issue.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #263)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:21 PM

264. Thank you

So we can blame irresponsible victims for being irresponsible. Check.

Is there a class of people that are not capable of being irresponsible? Children, perhaps?

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #264)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:47 PM

269. We can blame them for their irresponsibility, not their victimhood.

The level of an individual's responsibility should not be determined by age alone. I have known many children demonstrate more responsibility than many adults. Each case should be determined on it's individual merits.
However, any individual's level of responsibility, no matter how great or how small, has no bearing on their level of victimization. I see a lot of conflation happening in this regard.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #269)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:03 PM

271. "We can blame them for their irresponsibility, not their victimhood."

"Each case should be determined on it's individual merits."

So do you think it appropriate that the TN court is determining the level of responsibility or irresponsibility? Or is there an exception for some crimes and not others?

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #271)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:50 PM

274. No, the entire issue is ridiculous.

There is no way the girl/victim is an "accomplice" in the crime, even though she may consider herself a willing victim. The state has established a legal age of consent for carnal knowledge and laws have been enacted, classifying the adult male a rapist. The crime is his, and his alone. The girl bears no responsibility in terms of the crime and Collier's case is bogus IMO.

Any "blame" which may attach to the girl, is not blame for being a victim. She appears to have made some bad choices and hopefully will have learned from that. Whatever she might have done, though, does not excuse the crime, nor does it mitigate the crime in any way. Succumbing to temptation is not a defense.

Gun owners, OTOH, have a responsibility, and should be held accountable, to a degree, for their negligent actions that result in innocent lives being endangered or lost. True accountability in that area would change a lot of minds regarding gun ownership.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #274)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:58 PM

275. I understand your position .......

Well stated. I'll keep that in mind.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #271)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:38 PM

292. no, a child can give no consent, they have no culpability here.

and no, it;s not appropriate for TN courts to try and place any responsibility on the child.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #263)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:51 AM

338. Thank you!

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #261)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:51 AM

337. that you think there is anything equivalent between

leaving a gun around and being the victim of a rape crime . . .
One is the act of an adult. The other is a child assaulted by an adult. Is that so difficult for you to understand?

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:02 PM

175. So you think that as a child ages, they should become LESS accountable for their actions?

That's perhaps the most stupid thing I've EVER heard on this site. Does it hurt your brain to make such a stupid argument?q

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:24 PM

14. Uh, not just no. Hell no!

What were you thinking? 14-year-olds cannot consent, by law. That's why we protect them with statutory rape laws.

Please don't do this again. Thanks.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:28 PM

19. Are you disagreeing with me and saying she SHOULD be prosecuted?

 

I'm saying she should NOT be prosecuted. As a 14 year old she should have the right to do or say anything whatsoever without ever been held accountable.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:30 PM

21. Of course she should not be prosecuted.

The man should, though, since a 14-year-old cannot consent.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:32 PM

27. Then we are in COMPLETE agreement.

 

She should not be prosecuted. At fourteen a person should be free to do ANYTHING without any consequences. It's their right, since they don't have functioning brains yet.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:35 PM

32. I won't play. It's a stupid game.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:47 PM

59. My position: She should NOT be prosecuted. Your position? nt

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #59)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:57 PM

81. Your idiotic and dishonest equation of crimes committed BY the teenager

vs those committed AGAINST the teenager show what team you play for.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #81)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:11 PM

106. kids that age HAVE been prosecuted for texting naked pictures.

 

If a 14 year old can be charged with child pornography for emailing a naked picture of herself to her boyfriend...

All I'm asking people to do is state clearly and consistently exactly WHAT a teenager can and cannot be held accountable for. Everybody is ducking that question under a mask of phoney outrage.

Here's the kind of consistency I'm advocating in action:

http://triblive.com/news/westmoreland/3321021-74/law-charges-police#axzz2J0o8t1hv
‘Sexting’ teens won’t be prosecuted

Greensburg police have withdrawn summary charges against two Greensburg Salem Middle School students over a sexting incident, the chief said Friday.

The alleged incident occurred before a new Pennsylvania law took effect to regulate sending sexually explicit photos by cellphone, Chief Walter “Wally” Lyons said.

---We’re withdrawing the charges because there was some confusion,” Lyons said. “The case was reported after the new law was signed, but the incident occurred before the new law (took effect).

“We don’t believe the offense warrants prosecution under the existing law at that time, which would be a felony,” Lyons added.


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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #106)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:43 PM

155. Life isn't consistent.

But you know that, and are trolling. You sick fuck.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:58 PM

170. What you are doing is obvious to most.

You attempt to say they have no responsibility is messed up when used in this manner. It is actually very sick. She cannot by law consent.

And your equating it to theft shows extremely shallow thinking. If a 14 yo steals they should be held accountable for it. Unless it is found out that their father or an older figure has been training them for it. Then they should be seen as a victim.

Your point that a 14 yo cannot be held responsible for their actions is false. But you know that. You should try comparing apples to apples.

So there, I bit, and I am sure you got the responses you wanted out of this.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:20 PM

283. We appear to be in agreement that rape victims should not be prosecuted for being rape victims.

But I'm pretty sure that wasn't actually your point.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:25 PM

16. ...........

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:30 PM

22. Isn't apologizing for rape a bannable offense on DU?

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:36 PM

38. Tha man is SCUM and should be thrown in jail.

 

I'm not apologizing for him at all. I'm just concerned that that poor girl might be charged with something. No fourteen year old should ever be held accountable for any choice they make. It's just not right. They should be free to do anything they want, without any punishment.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:48 PM

162. Derp. Of course 14 year olds need to be held accountable.

Sometimes by parents, sometimes by law enforcement depending on the issue. Just not for being raped by people three times their age. Why the fuck would you think that 14 year olds shouldn't be held accountable for anything? You're suggesting that teenagers shouldn't have ANY responsibility or accountability? That's one of the most bone-headedly stupid things I've ever heard. Christ, never have any children, you are a horrendously bad role model for them.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:21 PM

284. What crime do you think she might be getting away with? Just curious.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:42 PM

48. Not when it was Roman Polanski.

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #48)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:35 AM

358. You should get a million dollar prize for that one

Roman Polanski is OK

Ted Nugent is a sick pig


Hmmmm?????

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:36 PM

37. I'm not convinced a 14-year-old person can consent to sex.

I'm not sure they really understand what they are consenting to.

If all parties are young, then I don't think they are raping each other, but I am still not convinced they truly understand what they are doing.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:38 PM

43. You're right. Any more than she could consent to shoplifting or

 

getting drunk and taking dad's car for a joy ride. At fourteen kids need to explore the possibilities and learn their limits by trial and error. We should never, ever punish them no matter what choices they make. After all, they cannot consent to their actions.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:42 PM

49. you're comparing this to her willfully shoplifting?

you are so far out of line.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:44 PM

53. Willful sex? willful shoplifting? How can anything be willful at 14?

 

She did nothing wrong and should be let go.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:48 PM

64. Your reductio ad absurdem attack on statutory rape laws is disgusting.

P.S. please stay away from children,

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #64)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:52 PM

72. She was the VICTIM and SHOULD NOT be prosecuted.

 

I don't know how to make it clearer.

I really don't understand all you people who disagree with that conclusion.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #72)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:53 PM

73. Because we recognize heavy-handed sarcasm.

Pig.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #73)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:23 PM

285. He's not a pig. He's a pig fucker.

God, I love beating up on people after they've been PPR'ed, lol.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:52 PM

71. you posted a repugnant opinion and you know it, which is why you won't say it outright

even though you pretty much did say what you mean, outright.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #71)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:57 PM

86. Last time: She is an innocent victim and should go free.

 

That is my position.
My position is consistent, not relative to which kind of bad choice she made.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #86)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:00 PM

89. what the 42 year old did was her choice?

fail again.

and the jurors are so bad on this that they can't figure out how to hide your posts.

admins will be hearing about this and then your cleverness will not seem so clever.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #89)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:05 PM

94. The man is SCUM, the girl is a VICTIM.

 

I don't know how much more clearly I can say it.

All I'm asking for is consistency

For which bad choices do you think a 14 year old should be held accountable?
For which bad choices should they forgiven without consequences?

I'm saying that since they are too young to know better they should NOT be held accountable for their bad choices. Consistently. And without regard to how we, personally, feel about those bad choices.

I don't understand all the fuss. Why not just list which bad choices you think a teenager SHOULD be held accountable for. And WHY, for each bad choice.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #94)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:12 PM

110. because you compared her to a car thief and a shoplifter

you aren't clever, no.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #94)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:16 PM

192. Simply repeating the same thing over and over again does not, in fact, make it any more believable..

Simply repeating the same thing over and over again does not, in fact, make it any more believable... a posting history however, does indeed allow a rather more revealing agenda.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #94)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:25 PM

198. For the love of god, why are you saying that this 14 year old girl 'chose'

to do this? She's 14 - she is INCAPABLE OF CHOOSING. Honestly, how do you NOT get this?

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #86)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:03 PM

178. Lets turn it around.

Since you added "not relative to which kind of bad choice she made."

Do you think a 14 yo should face consequences if caught stealing?

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:56 PM

79. 14-year-olds can be taken advantage of others

The reason statutory rape is illegal is because kids that age are unable to consent specifically to sex with adults. They are too easily seduced, and therefore victimized. Shoplifting is not in any way comparable.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #79)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:24 PM

286. + 5 brazillion

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:03 PM

91. Did your kids really fuck you up or something? I say that really hoping you

don't have any. For their sakes.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #91)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:20 PM

118. 5 Grandchildren in their 20's

 

And yes, we are all happy, healthy, and well adjusted. Thank you for asking.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #118)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:24 PM

128. I guess we'll have to take your word for it. Was there a restraining order? I'm

sure that would have helped.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #128)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:29 PM

138. If that scum had taken advantage of MY granddaughters when they were 14

 

I'd have cut off his man parts and shoved them down his throat.

And NO, I would NOT have punished her for being a victim.

We all seem to agree that the girl should NOT be prosecuted.
The ONLY thing we disagree about is how consistent we should be.

Perhaps you could clarify your position by listing those choices that SHOULD be punished, and why.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #138)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:34 PM

147. No. Stop derailing. Go start a "Things 14 year olds should be punished for" thread if you want.

And just so we are clear, I also see right through your idiotic act here. Pathetic.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #138)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:35 PM

149. Bullshit, you were trying to be cute by bringing up shoplifting and joy riding. The article is

not about how the parents should or would handle this at home. it's about a ridiculous interpretation of the law by the state. Your strawman bullshit blew up in your face and you're still digging deeper. If you say you have grand children I assume you're a fucking grown up. So figure it out. In the mean time feel free to continue flinging your feces around.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #138)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:12 PM

223. You contradict yourself

I see your posting privileges have been revoked and for good reason. What is so puzzling is, you refer to the rapist in this post as someone who could "take advantage" of your 14 year old granddaughters. That is the crux of the issue. A 42 year old man was "taking advantage" of a child. Sexual predators "take advantage" of 14 year old girls every day. That's why we have laws that help protect those vulnerabilities, because they are, in fact, still children. To suggest this victim who was "taken advantage of" is partly responsible for what happened, is despicable.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #91)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:26 PM

287. I am betting that our friend has been accused, and possibly convicted, of

statutory rape himself in the past. That's why he's got such a bee up his butt about this.

He's gone, so I'm free to talk shit about his pigfucking ass.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:09 PM

101. I don't think sex compares to drinking booze or stealing shit.

I also don't think underage drinking should be compared to stealing. Sex, drinking, and stealing are very different behaviors with very different outcomes and potential outcomes.

Generally speaking, humans are sexual animals. We have urges and emotional needs that can be met, or we believe can be met, through sexual activity. I don't see the benefit of the government punishing the teen, but I understand the parents doing so.

Generally speaking, underage drinking is a victimless crime. The underage drinker is relatively likely hurt themselves, and this is why it is illegal. I also don't see the benefit of the government punishing the underage drinker, but I understand the parents doing so.

Stealing the safest behavior of the three, but it does have a victim. Generally speaking, we don't punish the thief their own good, we punish the thief for the benefit of the victim and potential, future victims.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #101)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:22 PM

123. So give me a list of which poor choices SHOULD be punished. And why.

 

Hey, she's a kid. Cut her some slack for crying out loud.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #123)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:27 PM

134. Do you mean punished by parents or punished by government?

Those are very different lists. For example, calling one's sibling a very naughty name should be addressed by the parents, as opposed to the government. Shooting someone should be addressed by the government and the parents.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:23 PM

196. in the old days of America

and in Europe, 14 was the age of marriage and consent.

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Response to azureblue (Reply #196)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:35 PM

206. I know, but I don't think that contradicts my post in anyway.

Not that you're claiming to contradict my post.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:47 PM

60. What?

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #60)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:55 PM

78. She is innocent and should not be prosecuted.

 

The man should rot in jail forever.

What more do I need to say to clarify my position?

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:55 PM

77. Heaven forbid that she might have been LYING about consenting....

....and was doing so in an attempt to keep what really happened a secret.

Now, if she claims she was forced to have sex, the legal authorities can charge her with perjury even though she might have actually been raped..

I'm not sure what you were attempting to say in your post, but you ought to consider not going down that path again.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:56 PM

80. She is a CHILD

He is 42 years old.

I cannot believe I am seeing this crap on this site.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #80)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:18 PM

115. Eaxctly! She should NOT be held accountable. We agree then. nt

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #115)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:02 PM

276. Oh please that is NOT what you started off saying

I'm not buying the crap you are trying to sell.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:09 PM

102. WTF

Your post has no place n her. Saying a minor should be prosecuted for this.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:10 PM

103. you would much rather teach a fuckin' 42 yr old his actions have no consequence and point finger

at the girl.... wow. insightful. tell more.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:19 PM

117. Holy crap!

Disgusting. And I'm even more disgusted that your comment is still here. Do you still have the chance to self censor?

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:21 PM

120. Oh, and just so you know, I totally think you are NOT a disgusting piece of crap.

And you are definitely NOT a sickening defender of pedophiles and one who would blame a 14 year old girl for being raped. No sir, you are not a sickening rape apologist.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #120)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:25 PM

130. Hey! I said she is an INNOCENT VICTIM and the man is SCUM that needs to rot in jail.

 

That's my honest to God position. If you disagree with that, please feel free to say so, but don't twist my position around to look like I'm saying the opposite of what I'm saying.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #130)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:27 PM

133. And I just said that you are NOT a disgusting, worthless piece of rape apologising filth.

Do you disagree? You must disagree because you seem to have a problem with what I'm saying. So you think that you're a disgusting piece of filth? I disagree with that statement, but apparently you and many others here disagree.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #120)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:30 PM

140. I like totally agree with you. That poster is NOT defending pedophilia, or insinuating that 14yo

can give consent to sex with 40yo pedophile and must be punished for it. Nope, not at all. They are totally blameless and they are definitely great and upstanding citizen who just want justice to be applied equally to pedophile rapist and his underage victim.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:23 PM

125. How did I manage to wander onto a freeper site? I was sure this was DU.

My head is exploding with the cognitive dissonance.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:44 PM

157. Fourteen years old...

...vs. forty-two years old. You think she might have been influenced in any way?

Well regardless of that, of course she showed incredibly bad judgment. But the whole idea behind STATUTORY rape is that the issue of consent is null and void when one of the parties is underage. So your emotional take on this is 100% irrelevant.

Thank goodness.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:55 PM

167. You can go directly to hell.

Gods above and gods below, I pray that you're just trying to get a rise out of us.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:56 PM

168. You. Have. Got. To. Be. Joking.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:10 PM

186. What specifically leads you to that conclusion?

"Our teenagers must be taught that they can get away with anything at all...."

What specifically leads you to that conclusion?

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:24 PM

197. Good riddance to you.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:28 PM

199. THIS STATE IS PART OF THE SOUTH

 

This states people believe in creation versus evolution. I know the urban areas of this state are good the big country areas are deep RED.

Justice is not served when it becomes a POLITICAL AGENDA.

We need to set the time machine to sometime in the future to see if there will be a future or if this country will be dragged back to the DARK AGES of hate and terror...

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Response to ROBROX (Reply #199)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:56 PM

220. What's with the South bashing?

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Response to ROBROX (Reply #199)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:52 PM

303. Stuff like this never happens in any other state, right?.....

...Just another excuse to bash the South, right?

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:33 PM

204. This poster has been PPRed by the Admins.

The appropriate action has been taken.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #204)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:45 PM

212. If ever a post called for it...

it was definitely that one.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:42 PM

210. Are you fucking kidding me?

She didn't steal liquor from her parent's bar. She fucking got raped, and you say she's accountable? Fuck you!

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:14 PM

224. I may have my first post hidden in over 8 years

You are a sickening piece of filth.

Your statements have no place in civil society and certainly no place here.

You are vile

(I understand my post is rude and I am most definitely insulting a DU'er, but it is worth it! The poster I am responding to has posted something that should deeply offend everyone)

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #224)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:30 PM

288. I had some fun beating this horse long after he died. I figure the mods

won't do much about all my nasty responses to him. He's PPR'ed, but I guarantee you he's reading this whole thread still.

So fuck YOU, Speck Tater, and the fucking pig you rode in on. Apologies to pigs.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:05 PM

277. This has to be one of the most disturbing sub threads I've ever seen.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:39 PM

333. Edit

Edit: Nevermind, he's banned. I don't want to delete this, though. One of the most absurd piles of excrement I've ever read on DU.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 02:36 AM

340. The girl no doubt needs help, but let's not slut-shame.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:56 AM

344. So many missed the point

I normally only read DU and don't actively participate as I have several other boards I post on but on this issue I had to chime in because so many here are missing the point of a very valid question that is often brought up here and ignored but deserves an honest answer. First off and I realize he has been banned and can't respond but he will likely read this anyway, Speck Tater while the discussion you were attempting to create was valid your method was silly and poorly handled. I will attempt to shed some light on what I think your true point was though.

First off, lets be clear the adult in this situation deserves to go under the jail and the teenager is a victim not a perpetrator. If you can't legally give consent then giving consent that you cannot legally should not be grounds for a separate charge.

Now for the real point that the understandably no so loved tater was trying to make. He was attempting to point out that we as a society adhere a double standard to legal responsibility of minors based on how icky we view situation. Like it or not that is a true statement. Which leads to the question the rotten tater was attempting to get at, at least I think he was. That being is this double standard one we should be comfortable with. My response to this is absolutely yes. Our entire political ideology has acceptance of double standards based on our definition of acceptable vs repugnant at its very core. It is a core tenant of social justice, and how many times have we all used the phrase that the world is not black and white but instead shades of gray. To be shades of grey means that you are accepting of double standards to a certain degreed so long as they fall upon the right side of where the gray happens to be in that situation. You can't have a gray world without double standards. The key is for those double standards to make sense and be based on what is in the best interest of everyone. There is no reason we should be afraid to voice this position. Although being prepared to intelligently defend it might be a good idea.

For those who are not buying this, let me change the scenario a little bit to create a hypothetical. Instead of the girl who was victim being the one who called the pedo. What if a "date" was setup by a "friend" of the girl who had an axe to grind and knew what was likely to happen, but the "friend" was also only 14. Would that friend be accountable as an accomplice? I dare say most here would agree he/she would be regardless of age. Why, because in that situation the friend's actions are on the wrong side of the icky scale regardless of the individual's age, and rightfully so as we should all find that situation unacceptable behavior warranting action.

So yes there is a double standard about when we treat teenagers as adults in legal matters and when we do not. We should be entirely comfortable with that, so long as the basis remains what is right.

As for the rotten tater, I am not sure you should have been banned for the point you were trying to make but your method was so poorly handled that banning you for your own good was likely a good call.

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Response to nobody_special (Reply #344)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:36 AM

347. Lotta words, signifying not a lot

The dearly departed tater, and you (the newborn spud??) tripped himself up and this is why: a 14 year old can rob a store, steal a bike, even commit murder, and there are legal consequences because they are acts of commission. We can argue whether there should be adult level punishment handed out, but that's a topic for another day.

In most states, however, a 14 year old cannot consent to sex, especially with a 42-year old man, and therefore must not be punished for being raped. . There's nothing "icky" about this. It's really very clear. Some people have problems accepting that we have age of consent laws, and I find that puzzling.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #347)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:38 PM

350. "The dearly departed tater, and you (the newborn spud??)"

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #347)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:45 PM

354. spot on with the newborn spud retort SC

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:09 PM

2. On the other side, we charge 14 year old kids with murder in adult courts. Should one

be acceptable and the other not? I agree that he should have known better and turned her down but she knew full well what she was doing too.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:12 PM

4. I am stunned.

Fucking stunned.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:35 PM

34. On this subject, many DU'ers cannot pick a lane. How many times have so many DU'ers suggested that

teens are fully capable of making their own sexual decisions for themselves. Any suggestion otherwise is damned as prudery.

When it's convenient to label a teen as an autonomous decision maker, then they are.

This has been my observation over many years here on DU.

My own opinion is that teenagers don't have fully developed decision making capabilities. They need to be protected by law. And they should also rightly be subject to rules & disciplinary actions by their parents.



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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:45 PM

54. i think it's very different between teens than it is between adults and teens, and most laws

recognize that and address the age spread, and it has to be more than a few years difference to prosecute.
But it's like the male privlege thing, people don't want to admit that some people inherently have more power in some situations and should not abuse it. Amazing to me, people are willing to make the kid equally responsible to a 42 year old man.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #54)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:48 PM

61. It's the age that makes me ill. Guy's age implies he's close to a pedophile IMO. And the power thing

you mention YES INDEED.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #61)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:58 PM

87. scary to think they are hanging this on "she called" .....

WTF is this friend of the Dad's doing giving out his number and making plans to meet her in secret? Very manipulative stuff.
If this is like 90% of these cases, he groomed her for this by encouraging a secret relationship, pretended he was in love, and manipulated her. It's not hard to do to a teenager who's not your kid. They have no idea that people who appear normal can be so fucked up- especially family and friends.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:20 PM

228. Gee Kitty

Should the girl have been spanked for her misbehavior?

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:50 PM

260. "They need to be protected by law." I agree completely

And I would go so far to say that includes murder as well. A 14-year old simply does not have the same decision making capabilities as an adult. Even their "consent" should be qualified. So those saying that this 14-year old "consented" to sex with a grown assed man are just beyond any realm of common sense and basic human decency, imho.

And believe me, it gives me no pleasure to say this after reading about that hateful 15-year old monster that killed his entire family and texted a pic of his dead mother to his girlfriend. If he was 25, I'd say that he should be put UNDER the damn jail for all eternity. But at 15, I am just not at all convinced that he deserves the same punishment as an adult. The mentality of a teenager is just too different. They are still children, even though they sure as hell believe otherwise.

I have no doubt that one day, the full force of what he's done will come crashing down on him. And it will not be pretty.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:10 PM

105. and we can't get juries to hide these posts

they keep leaving them.



we are even talking about it in meta. almost everyone is horrified, and yet, the juries --another planet.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #105)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:22 PM

124. It is so far past time to limit the jury pool...

I'm hoping it is just trolls on juries which cause these results.

One year, 1000 posts... that seems reasonable and may help.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #124)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:25 PM

234. Look at how many times the apologists have served on juries here. n/t

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #105)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:27 PM

135. I was on that jury

and just knew it wouldn't get hidden. I did my best - but still got only one vote.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:24 PM

13. Murder = having sex

Nice.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:38 PM

42. initiated it? by making a phone call. OMG, she probably also wore a skirt. the dirty whore!

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:27 PM

18. Goodness.

The gnurrs out from the woodwork come.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:36 PM

36. some seven or eight year olds "know full well" what sex is, and might even "flirt*" with adults

because they like the attention. Let's not call fucking seven year old kids rape either, right?
(*or what people would characterize as flirting- when they needed to defend a rape)
A cut off age has been determined, it needs to be set, or it's open season on all kids. This guy "knew full well" it was rape, and he's more powerful. Grown men have no problem saying no to kids if they WANT to. It's unrealistic to assume because this kid made one phone call that she is a seductress. Any 42 year old guy setting up meetings with his friends young daughter knows damn well he's crossing some serious fucking lines. The kid is probably stupid enough to think he in in love with her, and they are like Romeo and Juliet. That's how these sad fucks operate.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:54 PM

76. What cave did you people crawl out of? nt

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:57 PM

84. OMG how many people like this are here

Ok completely rewriting it to make it gender neutral. Young teens are very easily seduced by adults who know how to do it. We as a society recognize that and protect them from adults who would take advantage of them.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #84)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:08 PM

99. multiple juries won't hide the worst posts in this thread

while almost all of us are horrified.

the jurors are coming to opposite conclusions.

wtf?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #99)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:01 PM

174. Ever watch "To Catch a Predator?"

These guys are all over the Internet.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #99)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:04 PM

180. Perhaps if we stopped posting on this thread

we could censor the OP w/out having to whine

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Response to OldHippieChick (Reply #180)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:10 PM

188. the OP has done nothing wrong but post an article that is documenting some disturbing news

why would we want to censor her?

it's the second poster and other poster here that have posted the awful stuff.

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Response to OldHippieChick (Reply #180)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:10 PM

189. "whine"?

You think we're 'whining'? Wow.

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Response to OldHippieChick (Reply #180)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:23 PM

232. WTFingF?!

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Response to redqueen (Reply #232)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:33 PM

250. I'm hoping that it was a mistake

and she really meant PPs, not OP, because there was absofreakinglutely nothing wrong with the OP.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #250)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:00 AM

335. No real mistake, but I must have been too liberal

in my thinking that we can easily censor someone by simply ignoring their ignorance as opposed to "whining" about why they weren't censored. And yes, I said "whine" because I don't understand continuing to post on what one believes to be an offensive post when it would be so much easier to simply stop posting. But then, maybe that's too easy.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:17 PM

113. Oh FFS

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:20 PM

119. She is 14 years old! How can a 14 year old consent to something like this.

She went to the cops so obviously she did not really want to do it. She was raped in my opinion.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:10 PM

187. Please stay away from children. They are not consenting when you think they are. nt.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:22 PM

230. I'll ask you as well, appleannie

Should the girl have been spanked when she returned home?

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:31 PM

289. A minor cannot legally choose to have sex. She lacks the mental capacity/maturity to consent.

Don't you DARE defend that disgusting pig fucker of a rape apologist.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:19 PM

5. Wait - isn't the premise of the statutory rape charge that a minor cannot consent?

So how can a minor be an accomplice if they cannot consent? The logic doesn't work.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:23 PM

11. WHOA!!WHOA!! WHOA!!

are you suggesting that these people actually have fuctioning brains??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:33 PM

205. +1!

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:23 PM

12. Yes

But it looks like they're hoping to change that

Disgusting

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:32 PM

26. I think they will try and decide whether a minor can consent.

That seems to be where this is going. I could see them trying to set an "age of reason" type thing. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic though, hopefully they'll just overturn the law in question.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:36 PM

35. If they say the minor can consent it is no longer rape unless the minor said no.

Did a defense attorney write this law?

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:38 PM

41. It sounds like one of those old archaic laws passed a 100 years ago...

that everyone forgot about until a clever lawyer found it to use as grounds for an appeal. Even a 100 years ago I'm surprised it was passed at all, though.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #41)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:35 PM

291. It IS one of those old archaic laws passed 100 years ago.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:08 AM

348. Guilty of consenting to what she is unable to consent.

Gee gosh darn golly, da stoopid, it hoortz.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:20 PM

6. Nothing has changed

Many, many years ago I read an article about a judge that ruled that a man was not guilty of molesting a five year old girl because she seduced him

It seems many men fear the power of the female and have no self-control


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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #251)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:15 PM

272. Fear is the starting point then turns to hate

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:22 PM

9. It looks like this case will rest on two issues.

1. Does the law really say that if minors consent then they are accomplishes and 2. If so then the question will be can minors consent? The court could possibly strike down the law as a whole, but they'd need to have a basis for it stronger than simply saying it is a bad disgusting law, which it undoubtedly is. Courts, especially in conservative areas, are wary of changing laws since they often feel they should leave that to the legislate, which begs the question why the hell the legislate haven't gotten rid of this horrible law by now? Logically I don't think minors can consent and thus this law should be struck down on that basis, but I don't have much faith in TN.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:31 PM

24. What a wonky law

Either she can legally give consent or she can't, she can't simultaneously do both.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:33 PM

29. Amazing

So if a minor testifies that an adult had sex with them it points to statutory rape. Yet if the same minor says they consented their testimony is basically nullified as an accomplice.

And people here support this??????????????????????????????????????????

The idea is that in a person is underage they CANNOT consent to something, they do not have the maturity and responsibility to do so. The ADULT is therefore solely responsible for the action as they are the ones who (should) know better and know the minor cannot give consent no matter how clear or knowledgeable they seem to be.
Is this difficult to understand?

They basis of this travesty is from the idea No force=no rape. Do we support that too???

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:34 PM

31. There are some seriously sick posts in this thread.

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Response to NealK (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:35 PM

33. Yeah, some of them should be bannable posts IMO. n/t

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Response to NealK (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:11 PM

107. completely agree

Truly shocking.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:43 PM

51. So knowledge is sufficient

to give consent. Should we teach 14 year olds how credit cards work and let them sign up on their own too. Kids are showing they know how to use guns so let's allow them to join the military....

How far do we want to twist this logic?

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:12 PM

108. A 42 y.o. man knows a hell of a lot more about exploiting power differentials, manipulation and

grooming of their prey.

WTH is wrong with you?

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #108)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:30 PM

141. with mentalities like posts on this thread, it is no wonder that we live in a rape culture and still

blame women, for mens behaviors.

here on du

a progressive forum.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #141)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:48 PM

216. On a positive note though,

there are only two on this thread with that god awful mentality.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #108)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:02 PM

252. I do NOT understand why that poster is still here.

Those Neanderthal attitudes are sick.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:51 PM

70. This thread is an embarrassment.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #70)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:54 PM

74. and jury after jury is upholding the worst posts here

maybe we shouldn't even post here anymore.

i mean, at DU.

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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:22 PM

121. This one didn't:

 

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In today's world some 14 year olds know more about sex than some 50 year olds. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2258513

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This is all part of a continuing apology for child rape and an effort to blame the victim.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #70)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:57 PM

83. I am stunned

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #70)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:16 PM

112. I was afraid to come back to it...

after those first two responses, I was worried about my blood pressure.

I'm glad to see that many others had the stomach to deal with those noxious posts. I was just floored.

There aren't as many defending the victim blaming here as on the Polanski threads, so things seem to be getting better.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:57 PM

85. To the jerkoff polluting this thread with their garbage. Fuck off. You're not being clever. nt

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #85)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:58 PM

88. Correction: jerkoffs (plural). There are at least two. nt

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Response to Xithras (Reply #93)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:07 PM

96. it's not the same

A man raped a 14 year old girl. She is the victim, not the perpetrator. Statutory rape laws exist because children cannot consent.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #96)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:30 PM

139. Teenagers can't consent to sex?

No doubt, every parent with a high-school age kid will be glad to know that there is no risk of their children engaging in risky sex, since teenagers would never willingly seek out or agree to have sex.

Statutory rape laws exist because children cannot consent.
Statutory rape laws create the legal presumption that people under the age of majority cannot consent, except nobody except Mother Grundy actually thinks that teenagers cannot mentally (as opposed to legally) consent to sex. If people actually believed that anyone under the age of majority is incapable of agreeing to sex, and that therefore anyone who has sex with them is forcing them to have nonconsensual sex, i.e. rape, we'd be sending SWAT teams into high schools to prevent the scourge of 17 year olds who've agreed to rape each other.

If Tennessee created a statutory presumption that 14 year olds cannot consent to an abortion, would you advocate locking up any doctor who performed an abortion on them (at the 14 year old's request) on the grounds that they performed a surgical procedure on an unwilling victim?

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #139)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:31 PM

143. He wasn't an teenager

He was an adult male rapist.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #159)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:49 PM

163. Go back to your cave. Suggesting that a child should be held culpable

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for the crime that victimizes her is SICK.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #176)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:05 PM

183. being raped isn't a crime!

Get it!!!!!! She is a victim!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #183)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:22 PM

257. So many here just don't get that. And that tells us all we need to know about them.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #176)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:19 PM

193. Speaking of lack of logic...

Your post is a perfect example.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #176)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:51 PM

240. Minors can not consent to sex with an adult.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #176)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:18 PM

247. Do you think this girl should be held responsible?

I forgot you can't answer in this thread. I think this girl was raped. A minor can not consent to sex with an adult.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #176)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:21 PM

265. Logic fail. A better comparison would be if she were robbed. Should she be charged with that?

Being raped by someone else is in NO way comparable to getting hurt by getting your hand blown off by your own explosive. Try this: "suggestintg that teenagers should not be held responsible for getting mugged and robbed is naive and patronizing." Does that work for you? It does not for me. neither does holding a teenager responsible for the actions of a 40 yr old man?

Rereading, maybe you are saying a 40 ys old man has the self control and responsibility of a homemade bomb? in which case you also are saying a female teen has more control and self responsibility than a 40 yr old man. incredible.

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #139)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:36 PM

150. Ugh. nt

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #139)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:43 PM

156. Not to a 42-year-old man

EVER.

Appalling.

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #139)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:47 PM

161. you have been on 4 juries

yikes. just yikes.

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #139)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:51 PM

165. not with people much older than them, no. It varies, but the penalties are harsher when the age

spread is wider. Usually nothing happens if both are similar in age. Interesting this is news to you, yet you can spew on the subject as if you were informed.

Now that you know, can you figure out why a 42 year old and a 14 year old is legally different than two 17 year olds?

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Response to dairydog91 (Reply #139)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:01 PM

172. if you can't see the difference between a medical procedure

and sexual assault . . . I don't even know what you are. You obviously find it terribly inconvenient that the law "creates" a presumption that adults can't violate children.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #152)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:42 PM

153. I'm not saying either

I'm saying the man in this case is a rapist and the girl a victim. What's next? Trying 4 years olds for being raped? Pedophiles always think the children consent. That's part of the stick.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #152)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:57 PM

169. Were adults involved in this other situation? If not, that's a big difference.

If they were and helped the underage performers, then they should have been found guilty and the performers not.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #96)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:14 PM

191. The point about the Tennessee statutory rape charge is that it's less severe than a rape charge

So of course consent is a consideration in it.

The offences, in decreasing order of severity, are:

Rape of a child - sex with a child below 13. This is a Class A felony, and consent is not an issue. Aggravated rape is also a Class A felony.

Rape - sex without consent. This is a Class B felony.

Aggravated statutory rape - sex with a child of 13 or more, but under 18, when the perpetrator is more than 10 years older than the victim. This is a Class D felony. Consent is not an issue in the definition; but, since rape of anyone 13 or over is held to be worse than it, it's clear it will be used as a charge in cases when consent is held to have been given.

The rape of a child law exists because children under 13 cannot consent. The statutory rape law exists because sex with a child between 13 and 17 (inclusive) who consents is held to be less severe than sex with an unconsenting victim.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #93)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:09 PM

100. This involves a 42 year old man. It is rape, End of discussion amongst reasonable people. nt

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:08 PM

98. One of the sickest things I've read recently

 

And the war on women continues.

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Response to rickjliberal1946sef (Reply #98)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:10 PM

104. And we have people fighting on the wrong side in this thread.

And three different juries have stood up for the proposition that teenagers who are statutorily raped are to blame.

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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:26 PM

132. This post was alerted on! Tick Tock! Update! The jury voted 6/0 to let the post stand.

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At Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

One of the sickest things I've read recently
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This guy is a repeat disruptor, known as "Death Threat Guy" to the mods. Just flagging him up for the MIRT.

If you're aware of him then please hide. However the I suspect the MIRT will take care of him fairly soon.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:35 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
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This whole thread is an embarrassment with people willfully misrepresenting what others are saying. This post is nothing compared to some of the things posted. People are too geared for instantaneous self-righteous rage and too often msihear each other. Enough already.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: What does being Death Threat Guy have to do with this post? I will tell you: nothing.
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I don't know if the alerter's allegations are true or not. The post however is not deserving of being hid! Leave it.
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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #266)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:38 PM

267. Thanks CJ. Didn't realize!

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #266)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:41 PM

295. How can you possibly know this????

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #295)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:38 PM

349. Check his profile.

He's checked out.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #349)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:01 PM

353. Are you psychic?? There is no way to know that one troll is the

same person as a previous troll.

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Response to ohiosmith (Reply #132)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:26 PM

273. How bad is something that even Death Threat Guy finds it repellent?

I mean, even Death Threat Guy gets it.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:18 PM

114. This is totally disgusting!

I hope the court does the right thing and get rid of this stupid law. A 14 year old can not consent to sex with an adult. Just horrible!

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:31 PM

142. The American Taliban at work.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:47 PM

160. This is one sad thread.

Not all of it, but far too much of it.



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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #160)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:05 PM

181. There had to be some kind

Of jury fail going on earlier. I am rec'ing this tread so that it will get a late bump for the afternoon crowd. People need to see who the trolls are.

This has been disgusting. So much for my lunch break.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:00 PM

171. Is it projection?

Rape is a level one crime, a category that includes murder, robbery, and assault. Such heinous acts do not -- on ANY level! -- compare with a misdemeanor like shoplifting. Those who have tried to argue that there is no difference are making a self serving attempt to justify child abuse; perhaps speaking from personnal experience to excuse their own behaviors?

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Response to procon (Reply #171)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:07 PM

185. my thoughts exactly nt

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #173)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:06 PM

184. if you read the thread

You'll want to vomit.

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #173)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:11 PM

190. You are only ok with that because you have internalized the values of the rape culture we live in.

Read more.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #190)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:18 PM

225. WTF?! I've internalized the values of rape culture? Am I also HITLER?

 

Anyway... I enjoy reading your posts, I have learned a great deal, but please take it down a notch.

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #173)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:54 PM

218. Not all 14 year olds are the same. That's a very broad brush you are using.

As a society, we set the bar for what is allowed to a point where the vast majority of children are protected. You are really reaching if you think "it's just sex" applies to everyone regardless of age or maturity level.

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Response to randome (Reply #218)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:19 PM

226. I agree, and that is not what I believe

 

I would like to see a calm and reasoned national discussion on this issue. And one that starts from a health perspective rather than a religious one.

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #226)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:12 PM

246. The national discussion has already decided 18, 16 for some states.

How low do you want to go?

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Response to randome (Reply #246)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:22 PM

248. Age of consent is only one aspect of sexual development

 

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #248)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:27 PM

249. It's an age of consent that society has already spoken on.

Consider speed limits. Should they apply to everyone or only to those who are careless drivers?

It's the same situation. The laws are set up to protect those who are not 'competent' enough to go through a sexual experience. We have no way of knowing who is capable and who is not so the law draws a line in the sand to be safe.

Having sex with a 14 y/o is illegal. You have no way of knowing whether she initiated it or not. At that age, a minor's 'testimony' should be considered suspect since she is most likely not mature enough to understand the emotional aspects of sex.

You don't know that she was mature enough. She doesn't know. Her testimony is, and should be, suspect. But the 42 y/o man did know. There is no question about that.

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Response to randome (Reply #249)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:57 PM

262. How clear do I have to be? I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH YOU!

 

What the hell, it's like you are trying to start a fight or something. I am deleting my original comment.

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #173)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:06 PM

222. Knowing about sex doesn't mean a 14 year old cannot be coerced by an adult to consent to sex.

Which is the reason for statutory rape laws. The premise behind it is a teenager under a certain age cannot consent to sex with an adult over a certain age since the adult should know better than to be having sex with a person who is not yet mentally mature. Basically, it's too easy to mentally manipulate a teenager into consenting to do things they may not have decided to do without the manipulation. As a former teenage girl and the parent of one, I can attest to the ease with which one can manipulate a young mind with the right tactics.

Also, the man was a friend of her father's. He knew full well she was 14 and that he was breaking the law, yet he still chose to do so.

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #173)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:45 PM

239. What a disappointment to see you write that

In essence you're saying, child predators can begin seducing 14 year old girls with impunity. I hope you don't ever have a daughter.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #239)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:01 PM

242. I do have a daughter actually, and obviously what I wrote came across wrong

 

I would like to see a rational discussion that begins and ends with mental and physical health as the foundation. I would, for example, like to see a national standard for sexual education. I would like to see nationwide access to birth control and reproductive health services. I would like to see SCIENCE replace religion as the determiner of our sexual morality. And I could go on, but hopefully now this is clearer.

I do not support perverts preying on kids. I DO SUPPORT removing the moral stigma we currently attach to the sexual choices people make. I am tired of reading about girls killing themselves because they got slut-shamed.





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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #242)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:09 PM

244. That sounds very much like what NAMBLA wants, too.

We need to have boundaries to protect those who are not able to cope with early sexual awareness. Not every teenager is ready for sex at 14.

The boundaries are currently set at 18, 16 for some states. I don't see that those should be moved.

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #173)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:04 PM

255. Knowing "what sex is" does not equal enough knowledge

to be able to give consent.

Christ on a crutch - why is that so hard to understand??

And yes, you are offensive.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:03 PM

177. So, I've got one question for those defending the grown up and further victimizing the CHILD

If this was your 14 yr kid, would you feel the same way? Would you feel your 14 yr old daughter needs to take responsibility for her actions? Or that she should be taught a lesson because as a teenager she may have employed poor decision making? If so, I want you to find the nearest pedophile (you can look them up online) and have your daughter call them for a ride (and see how quickly you change your tune on this).

A 42 yr old man "consenting" to have sex with a child is a pedophile--whether said child "complies" or not. Full stop.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #177)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:43 PM

211. +1

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #177)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:47 PM

213. The man should take full responsibility

And the child should not be held accountable for any ridiculous consent or conspiracy to co-comment of this crime. It is the man's fault. He should have known better.

The girl should have counciling and a trama assessment. I hate for people to be placed in a victim role but in this case it seems to be the most psychologically safe position for her to assume. Hopefully she will have decent help to be re-empowered as a strong healthy woman, with firm boundries, from whomever wants access to her body.

Tragic things do happen to young children that set them up for abuse. Wanting to be older, and seen as desirable at adolescents, is a dangerous vulnerability. Oh, I hope she gets help and that she did not get pregnant.

That man deserves to be on a registered offender list, and kept away from any kids, after a long jail sentence.
I like chemical castration, myself. Shot of depo and some Melaril, ought to cool his jets.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:31 PM

201. Tennessee needs to protect this child not prosecute her.

Statutory rape is still rape.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:31 PM

202. If this...

...14yr old had commited some or of henious violent crime then what? Why is it we treat people under 18 as adults only for certain acts?

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Response to deathrind (Reply #202)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:45 PM

299. Sexual activity by a minor is not a crime (by that minor). THAT'S WHY.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:32 PM

203. SURE there isn't a war on women right now....

 

And Wilbur does a takeoff from Moffett Field this afternoon...don't be late

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:39 PM

208. Being a Tennessean, I want to both puke & cry at the same time.



The War on Women is alive & well, actually thriving, here in TN.
I don't hold out a lot of hope in this changing to protect the "victim". I fear they will somehow use it to re-enforce this lunacy.

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Response to southerncrone (Reply #208)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:49 PM

217. A lot of idiots everywhere....

don't let them get you down.

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Response to southerncrone (Reply #208)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:20 PM

227. The court is allowing this appeal to finally review and overturn this outdated law.

In this case Tennessee is in the right.

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Response to Lone_Star_Dem (Reply #227)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 01:50 AM

355. I'm not holding my breath.

But, hope you are right.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #209)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:54 PM

241. Interesting...so the rapist was a multiple offender n/t

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #241)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:02 PM

243. The way I read it

was he was considered a multiple offender due to multiple sex acts/rape during the two days they were together.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:55 PM

219. Dafuq?

No other words come to mind, really.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:04 PM

221. Whatever they can do to revictimize the victim

That seems to be the goal of the right.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:23 PM

231. Ain't Tennessee great?

Between their abstinence-only sex ed, the church's belief that the right time for mothers to tell their daughters about sex is the morning before the wedding, and Tennessee's history of 14-year-old brides, the girl may not have known she can't consent to sex with a man old enough to be her father.

I say make sure she knows she can't legally consent to this, and why, and let her go.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:12 PM

256. Reminds me of the disgust I felt at the Roman Polanski defenders.

It seemed like half of Hollywood blamed the 13 year old victim, who he plied with Qaaludes and anally raped.

Remember Whoopi Goldberg wondering whether it rose to the level of "rape-rape"?

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:18 PM

280. She should not be prosecuted, ridiculous. The idea that she's a victim is absurd

She wanted sex, she called a guy and got it. Makes me laugh to see reference to a "victim", no more a victim than if the guy on the other end of the line had been 14.

Hopefully the judges are rational and throw this out.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #280)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:20 PM

282. WTF? Where are you people coming from?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #282)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:44 PM

297. From a place where no normal people reside.

And that place is too disgusting to even try and imagine or figure out.

Personally, I think that some of the respondents are pedophiles (in action or in mind)... there cannot be any other answer.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #282)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:07 PM

306. Let's just say under rocks are not as crowded as it used to be. nt

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #280)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:38 PM

293. So if a 14 yr old CHILD calls you for sex you'd do it? Have sex with her? nt

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #293)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:11 PM

309. Nope! That's about being a responsible adult

It's hypocrisy a mile wide though when a boy does this and it's "atta boy" but not the opposite.

Really though, it seems victimless to me. Still a crime, but one of the necessary laws that doesn't necessarily need a victim

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #309)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:26 PM

311. so you'd be fine with your 60 year old boss fucking your 13 yr old child? Is 12 okay too?

What about a millionaire talking an 11 year old into doing it because she's get a room full of toys out of it- she's able to consent too?

And no, most of us are NOT "atta boy" when this happens to 14 year old boys. Maybe you are.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #309)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:35 PM

315. You do realize that a minor cannot legally give consent, right?

It's like saying prostitution is a victimless crime (which it isn't).

And that you claim that it's some sort of double-standard because people say "atta boy" to 14 yr old male CHILDREN, doesn't make it right. We (and when I read about that happening, I am) should be appalled. That's the double-standard. We shouldn't be patting this guy on the back for getting a 14 yr old to sleep with him just because some do so for male children. Those that do give the "atta boy" need to examine their definition of pedophilia and why it's okay for boys to be molested but not girls--that's another double-standard.

And the question no one seems to be asking is, why is a 14 yr old child "attracted" to a 42 yr old man. Often when girls her age act out this way, particularly with much older males, they've been sexually abused prior to this act.

And I want to reiterate, no CHILD, male or female, can consent and the adult should have said no. The onus is not on the child to make the correct decisions in situations like this, it's the adult.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #315)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:43 PM

316. In this country, yes

But if you've ever experienced another culture, you'd see that it's really about societal attitude. In Japan, they would not see this as something where there is necessarily a victim.

Every nation determines their attitude toward this based on their culture. In some Japanese and Chinese provinces, they would scoff at the notion.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #316)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:00 PM

321. 15 yr old force to marry 70 yr old. girl forced to marry rapist. ya, other countries does a lot of

shitty stuff. your point?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #321)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:07 PM

322. Japan is more modern than we are

If you've ever been there. Their kids are better educated and have lower teen pregnancy and overall delinquency rates than we do.

Lumping them in with tribal cultures is inaccurate.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #322)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:10 PM

323. that would be why once a woman has a baby the husband doesnt want sex anymore or

why 43% of 18-34 yr old men think sex is icky and 58% of women 18-34 think sex is icky and they play computer games stalking and raping little girls.

thank you for your insight

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #316)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:12 PM

324. Fortunately, for our girl children, we live in the USA

where societal standards and the law say a child cannot legally consent to having sex with an adult.

To argue that it's legal in other countries is a moot point and, frankly, an argument to condone pedophilia and statutory rape. Your posts are just full of fail.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #316)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:29 PM

326. In some Chinese villages, they practiced cannibalism during the Revolution. I guess that makes

cannibalism A-OK for us too.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #309)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:57 PM

320. it would be men with the "atta boy" shit. just like it is the men blaming this girl.

i would like to see one woman that would not be all over a grown womans ass fucking a 14 yr old boy.

you may be all into the "atta boy". but then, that would be your issue. not ours.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #280)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:43 PM

296. Alerted, though the jury failed on this one

compare the juror's defense of the post to other defenses in this thread, where a similar post was defended.

same thinking, same type of language, same reasoning, same terminology.

but i have no idea.

At Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:22 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

She should not be prosecuted, ridiculous. The idea that she's a victim is absurd
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2261452

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

The poster is actually saying this is okay.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:31 PM, and voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This whole case is abhorrent. But the poster is not attacking anyone, not violating TOS, not doing anything but expressing an opinion. I don't like it either, but that doesn't mean it should be hidden by anyone but those offended...that is what your "hide thread" button is for.
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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #280)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:44 PM

298. "She wanted sex, she called a guy and got it"

Raped by a 42-year-old MAN. She is a middle school child.

What a shameful post.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #280)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:06 PM

305. By that logic, I should be cruising the jr. high schools for dates.

I'm 45. Jesus, 30-year-olds look like kids to me.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #280)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:09 PM

307. You are a rape apologist. And a moral idiot. Go ahead, alert on me. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #307)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:19 PM

310. Agreed. 14? Really? Jesus Christ! nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #307)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:26 PM

312. I've no interest in alerting

We have different opinions, that's all

Btw I'd like to thank the jury for allowing me to express mine, even though most of them maybe didn't agree

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #312)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:35 PM

328. your opinion that it's okay for a 42 year old to have sex with a 14 year old?

have you lost your marbles?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #328)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:02 PM

330. Where did I say that?

You are letting emotion and outrage cloud reason here.

I said that this should be illegal, but that she was no victim. I would put this in the same category as counterfeiting and SS fraud as crimes that should be crimes but don't necessarily have a victim.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #330)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:09 PM

331. you called it a "victimless crime", you said Japan it wouldn't be illegal and that...

on this very thing, they were "more evolved" than us.

you said it was the same as if she was with another minor.

so, you say all this crap and now you're offended that dozens of us are calling you on the BS?

and yes, we've alerted and checked the Terms of Service box.

and you are carrying on an argument that a few other sad members are saying, one of them banned today, another's post hidden and they are blocked from the thread, but you are picking up the baton for both of them it seems.

how um, well, i don't have words for what it seems like.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #331)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:24 PM

332. My quote

What you said:
you said Japan it wouldn't be illegal and that...



What I said:
In Japan, they would not see this as something where there is necessarily a victim.



What you said:
you said it was the same as if she was with another minor.

Did I?

What I said:

no more a victim than if the guy on the other end of the line had been 14.


About the other posters, I have no idea what they said. I didn't read the entire thread, only the OP. It sounds like the jury thought it was okay. I'm not attacking you, just expressing a viewpoint.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #332)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:22 AM

336. so, are you arguing that there's no victim, but it still should be a crime? and that you disagree

that minors should not be able to consent? so kids of any age can make these decisions to have sex, no big deal?

I'm not sure where you're going with equating kids having consensual sex with each other, vs grownups pursuing sex with kids - it appears you think kids are fair game for adults and it would't be harmful for kids to have relations with adults when they are thirty or forty years older? If not, please clarify.
You seem to think there's no victim here, would you say the same if this girl was 6 or 7 years old and called this man up?

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #280)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:09 PM

308. You are way out of line.

She was a victim of a crime. Statutory rape. The fact she may have been complicit does not excuse the crime, nor does it make her any less of a victim. In fact, it makes her more of a victim. She was victimized by a predatory 42 year old sleaze bag, friend of her father. She is also a victim of her own stupidity, which was probably a result of poor parenting.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #280)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:27 PM

313. What you're saying is truly puke inducing.

"She wanted sex, she called a guy and got it." A 14 y/o???

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #280)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:24 PM

325. Ugh. That is absolutely disgusting. She is a child, he is 42. She is a victim.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #280)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:11 PM

352. Oh shit!

A real life honest to goodness rape apologist!

She wanted it?

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:03 PM

304. That's a good way to deter reporting of sex offenses.

Isn't the whole point of statutory rape that a minor cannot consent? How the hell does this make sense to anyone with a functioning synapse?

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:51 PM

318. I think it is premature to criticise the court since they didn't rule

the fact is it could be a very good thing this case was taken up. As the law currently stands, absent some other evidence, no one can be convicted of statutory rape in TN on the testimony of a child victim. The precedent was upheld as recently as 1960. Hopefully the court will get it right this time.

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:51 PM

329. OH FFS!!!!!!

The whole point of statutory rape laws is that children under a certain age don't have all the facts and therefore can't legally consent to sex.

They can't sign contracts or get married without a parental cosign for an excellent reason: they are too young.

What part of not fucking children didn't that middle aged SOB not get?

What part does the Tennessee lege not get?

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Response to redqueen (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 04:26 AM

343. To all the people who are blaming the GIRL