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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:45 AM

Ed Schulz says the Reid capitulation is about guns.

He says Reid bargained with McConnell from a position of weakness due to Reid's need to collect GOP support for gun control laws.

If I understand this, it means that DiFi and Boxer etc. traded their votes on filibuster for some GOP support for DiFi's weapons bill.

Dirty sausage making.

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Reply Ed Schulz says the Reid capitulation is about guns. (Original post)
grasswire Jan 2013 OP
BainsBane Jan 2013 #1
grasswire Jan 2013 #2
grasswire Jan 2013 #3
BainsBane Jan 2013 #4
grasswire Jan 2013 #6
MurrayDelph Jan 2013 #8
truebluegreen Jan 2013 #10
EastKYLiberal Jan 2013 #5
libtodeath Jan 2013 #20
elleng Jan 2013 #7
graham4anything Jan 2013 #9
KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #11
libtodeath Jan 2013 #21
awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #12
rucky Jan 2013 #13
MadHound Jan 2013 #14
jeff47 Jan 2013 #15
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #19
jeff47 Jan 2013 #30
jeff47 Jan 2013 #16
bullwinkle428 Jan 2013 #17
kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #18
duffyduff Jan 2013 #22
A Simple Game Jan 2013 #25
derby378 Jan 2013 #23
regjoe Jan 2013 #24
Purveyor Jan 2013 #26
grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #27
JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #28
hack89 Jan 2013 #29

Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:47 AM

1. I don't believe it

and how would Schultz know?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:50 AM

2. how else do we explain Boxer voting against the talking filibuster? nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:52 AM

3. and how else do we explain Reid's total reversal of position on filibuster?

people are asking who got to Reid, who threatened him or paid him off.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:52 AM

4. reports were she was against it earlier this month

and I don't know why. A DUer from Cali called her office and they assured the voter she was on board.

Seems to me folding on the filibuster makes it less likely gun control will pass.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:55 AM

6. I can see that likelihood, too.

Could be a trick. Not the first time Harry has been suckered.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:23 AM

8. Feinstein is not a public servant

When I lived in California, I wrote many letters asking her to explain actions she had taken, or asking her to take particular actions that would have benefitted the country, and when I did get an answer it could be summed up as

"Back off, sonny. I'm a Senator. I know more than you do."

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Response to MurrayDelph (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:10 AM

10. DiFi has always been a DINO

Imagine Harvey Milk in that seat....

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:54 AM

5. If true, it'd be one hell of a bargain. nt

 

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:10 AM

20. Don`t bet on it

if a bargain of such was made it was to let a worthless bill pass,Reid is not anti gun.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:00 AM

7. Jeeze I hate this shit.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:01 AM

9. LBJ said-Any jackass can kick down a barn but it takes a good carpenter to build one

 

and LBJ would have been praising the great one-upmanship Harry Reid did yesterday.

too bad all can't see it, but, well, they will down the road.

President Obama roped the dopes again.It's that 9 step ahead program that gets those that only see in front of their nose every single time.

and btw, I don't care what Ed says either way, since the night of the first debate. He and Rachel lost me forever with their astute acute blindness that night bloviating away. That night, couldn't tell if they were Rush and Sean or Ed and Rachel. Being that they sure sounded like Rush and Sean even if they didn't look like them.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:14 AM

11. So...

...if they made a deal with the rushpublicans to waive the talking filibuster for votes on some type of gun control measures? Considering how little people are expecting out of the legislature, I'd say that's not a bad deal...or one that will/can save lives. If this means getting some votes on gun control in the upcoming session, is that a bad thing? As it stood, surely some yokel rushpublican would put a hold on any gun control legislation and it'd fade into the darkness. Here there may actually be some light. I'm disappointed that the talking filibuster fell short and don't trust Turtleman...but the real log jam remains the House that is unlikely to pass any Democratic proposed or sponsored legislation.

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Response to KharmaTrain (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:10 AM

21. What if it a wink to let a terrible an inneffective bill through?

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:26 AM

12. It isn't about guns...

It about Harry's total lack of spine. Maybe he should get rid of his magic underwear.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:55 AM

13. Now we're sure to accomplish between 1 and Zero things this session.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:04 AM

14. Well, if Reid and Obama can't muster the support within their own party for gun control,

 

Then they've simply proven, once again, how ineffective they are in their respective leadership roles.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:39 AM

15. Why would they need Republican votes?

This theory falls apart when you note Reid already has a majority, and could pass such laws if there was no filibuster, or if it was weaker.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:05 AM

19. Because not every senator from the party is on board

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:52 PM

30. He's got 5 free votes - he only needs 50 + VP.

And if a Democrat isn't going to vote for a gun control bill, what makes you think a Republican would?

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:45 AM

17. I think you're misinterpreting what Ed was trying to say. It sounded to me like

Ed thought that Reid knew that most of the gun-control measures being discussed could not possibly pass due to some of the Democratic senators from more "rural"-type states refusing to back them. This would ultimately result in a vote total of less than 50 once people like Baucus, Manchin, etc. voted "no". Ed said it was essentially about giving Blue Dogs political cover.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:47 AM

18. McConnell asked Reid to change a dollar

and obliging ol' Harry gave him five quarters, a buffalo nickel, and a 1965 40% silver JFK 50 cent piece.
Fucking dumbass.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:23 AM

22. I am such a cynic, I don't believe a word they say anymore.

Like others have said, this is kabuki theater. Congress has no intention of rocking the boat of their rich supporters by doing what is right for everybody else.

The "filibuster fight" is all show, no substance.

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:11 PM

25. Yup, what you said. n/t

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:01 AM

23. That doesn't seem likely...

...since there are still a few Democratic Senators who will vote against Feinstein's bill. Six of one and half a dozen of the other?

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:06 AM

24. Doesn't make sense at all

 

If the Republicans fold on the 2nd Amendment, they are done.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:20 PM

26. Doesn't matter on damn wit what the Senate wants to do on gun control as NOTHING will get

through the House.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:24 PM

27. NO, it's about anything the Dems manage to squeak through the house.

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Response to grasswire (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:46 PM

28. DiFi's bill will die in the House, so why would Reid make this deal?

I'm guessing that Reid didn't want to change the filibuster, and is trying to divert blame.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:56 PM

29. It will not see a vote in the House until the Senate votes,

the republicans are not going to go on record on gun control unless they absolutely have to. They will sit back and see what Senate democrats can pass first. Since an AWB is opposed by a dozen or so Dems from pro-gun conservative states, Boehner is betting the AWB will die in the Senate.

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