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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:40 AM

Why Are So Many People Flagging Atheist Mom’s CNN iReport Article As ‘Inappropriate?’

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With close to 740,000 views and 10,000 comments, a CNN iReport article titled “Why I Raise My Children Without God” (link) is one of the site’s most popular features. But now CNN has been forced to defend the article from users who won’t stop flagging it as “inappropriate.”

In the story, a blogger identified only as TXBlue08, who also blogs at Kids Without Religion, discusses why she chose to raise her two children without God. In the opening section, she explains:

“I thought it was only right to be honest with my children. I am a non-believer, and for years I’ve been on the fringe in my community. As a blogger, though, I’ve found that there are many other parents out there like me. We are creating the next generation of kids, and there is a wave of young agnostics, atheists, free thinkers and humanists rising up through the ranks who will, hopefully, lower our nation’s religious fever.”

Those sentiments and the list of reasons for her decision that follow, including “God is not logical” and “God does not protect the innocent” have created so much controversy on the site that CNN recently updated it with the following note:

“CNN hasn’t flagged this iReport as inappropriate, but some community members have. This is a divisive topic, however it does not violate our Community Guidelines, so we ask people to please stop flagging it. We will continue to review the story as often as possible.”

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Reply Why Are So Many People Flagging Atheist Mom’s CNN iReport Article As ‘Inappropriate?’ (Original post)
trailmonkee Jan 2013 OP
pkdu Jan 2013 #1
bluestateguy Jan 2013 #2
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #58
JI7 Jan 2013 #3
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #5
defacto7 Jan 2013 #11
A HERETIC I AM Jan 2013 #18
Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #41
Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #93
Silent3 Jan 2013 #96
Ferretherder Jan 2013 #110
uponit7771 Jan 2013 #38
OneMoreDemocrat Jan 2013 #48
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #51
JI7 Jan 2013 #73
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #99
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #102
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #103
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #106
GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #113
KittyWampus Jan 2013 #31
JI7 Jan 2013 #72
KittyWampus Jan 2013 #75
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #104
DavidDvorkin Jan 2013 #87
kairos12 Jan 2013 #54
defacto7 Jan 2013 #90
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #105
Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #71
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #4
LisaLynne Jan 2013 #23
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #32
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #60
kairos12 Jan 2013 #61
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #62
Warpy Jan 2013 #80
Tikki Jan 2013 #6
longship Jan 2013 #7
intaglio Jan 2013 #8
yortsed snacilbuper Jan 2013 #9
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #10
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #12
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #13
Kalidurga Jan 2013 #14
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #17
bongbong Jan 2013 #67
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #68
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #100
cali Jan 2013 #20
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #21
cali Jan 2013 #35
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #59
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pnwmom Jan 2013 #16
cordelia Jan 2013 #25
randome Jan 2013 #34
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:43 AM

1. Wingnut Fundy Kryptonite....whatdyaexpect?...nt

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:46 AM

2. Fundamentalist Christians do not take kindly to disagreement

Their worldview is that they are acting on God's behalf and anybody who dissents from that is of the devil.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:04 PM

58. And their god made the entire universe just for them ...

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:47 AM

3. i think some people are scared at the idea of there being no God

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Response to JI7 (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:49 AM

5. There seems to be an element of *fear* attached to a lot of religions

How uplifting and/or inspiring is that?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:26 AM

11. Fear is the premise of religions.

It's the source and basis on which the need for it is built. Without fear and it's twin, the supplying of a self perpetuating answer to fear, religion is purposeless. All you are left with is.... life.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:02 AM

18. Guilt

You can't forget guilt.

Particularly the Abrahamic faiths. They use guilt very effectively.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:56 AM

41. And its attended twin, Punishment.

Without the Fear of Punishment, what is Guilt but a fleeting thought, easily dismissed?

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:48 PM

93. And control

Fear, Guilt and Control, Oh My!

And also "Faith" is glorified, as if believing any stupid s@#$ for which there is no evidence is a wonderful, wonderful thing if you call it "religion."

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #93)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:59 PM

96. Fear, guilt, control... and an almost fanatatical devotion to the Pope

I'll come in again.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #96)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 08:18 PM

110. Fear, guilt, control, an almost fanatical devotion to the pope...

...and a nice red uniform......d'oh!

Cardinal Fang, you'll have to say it!

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:50 AM

38. It's also a premise of an unchanged mind

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:56 PM

48. Maybe in some Western religions, certainly not all religions...

 

Try not to use such a large brush.

The actual premise for religion is to answer questions like, "Who am I?", "How did I get here?", "Where is here?", and such.

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Response to OneMoreDemocrat (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:34 PM

51. Absolutely.

Well, anyway, as close to "absolutely" as a deist/Buddhist/Unitarian can get to just about anything…

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:34 PM

73. yeah, you need a higher power that will punish in order for you not to kill someone

the thing is that among the criminals there are far more who believe in god than atheists.

what i usually find is that people often use God as an excuse for the crap they do by saying they prayed and asked god for forgiveness.

but the atheist who never committed a crime will go to hell just for not believing .

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:05 PM

99. Is it just me, or is the God as depicted in the Bible completely batshit?

I love you, but I'm going to punish you by burning you in hell for all eternity!

You're the pinnacle of my creation! Nah, I'm gonna throw a huge flood at you because you're horrible! Except for half a dozen cool people who'll keep the animals from dying out. I'm sorry, here's a rainbow, that'll make it all better!

I'm gonna let you rot in slavery. But don't worry, I'll save you... after making you wonder around in the desert for 40 fucking years!!!

I LOVE YOU! I HATE YOU! I LOVE YOU! I HATE YOU! I'LL SAVE YOU! I'LL ROAST YOU!

Seriously? If god were real, I'd expect that when I died and went to the afterlife, I'd see god cutting himself.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #99)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:57 AM

102. Sounds sort of like he/she/it could possibly be diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder

I suppose the fact that the Bible was cobbled together over several centuries by, presumably, a bunch of different people has *nothing* to do with the scattered depiction. Also, what I've never understood is why some people, mostly Christian fundies, pick stuff out of the OLD Testament to support their prejudices and beliefs (esp. those regarding gays) yet I always thought that NEW Testament- about the birth, life, death/resurrection, and teachings of Jesus Christ (who never mentioned a lot of things, including gays) was basically supposed to replace it.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #102)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:03 AM

103. Heh! God the Bunny Boiler. And is it just me, or do most fundies think the Bible has two books?

Leviticus and Revelations.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #103)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:04 PM

106. They start with their beliefs

and they just cherry-pick those books/verses in the Bible that (seem to) support them. Just like how many teabaggers selectively cite the US Constitution that "support" their beliefs. Sometimes it seems like many fundies skip the entire New Testament and what Jesus says altogether even though that would seem to be the most important part of the Bible, at least for Christians anyway.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #99)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:55 AM

113. Not only that...

I made you flawed in the first place, and now I'm going to punish you when you can't achieve the impossible of being perfect. And, I love you unconditionally, but if you don't adhere to certain conditions, you are going to face eternal suffering.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:00 AM

31. Agreed. Although there is also an element of fear in scientific materialism.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:31 PM

72. can you describe what you mean by scientific materialism ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #72)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:53 PM

75. The doctrine that nothing exists except matter and its movements and modifications.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #75)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:22 AM

104. What's fearful about that?

Call me a "scientific materialist" but I have yet to see evidence of the supernatural.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:22 PM

87. How so?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:51 PM

54. Bulls Eye

The impending dark void strikes great fear in many.

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Response to kairos12 (Reply #54)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:04 PM

90. Not here.

but then I'm not religious.

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Response to kairos12 (Reply #54)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:25 AM

105. There is a lesson to be learned.

Life is precious. You only get one, it has a finite span, and it ends. Don't squander it.

Live well and help others live well.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 03:11 PM

71. Yes, but it's a lot of people, probably most, that are fearful of the idea. If we admit to ourselves

 

that there is no God, then everything is our own doing and fault. and that's one hell of a failure.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:48 AM

4. We don't practice religion in our household

My wife and I had our fill of religion being crammed down our throats when we were kids and have no interest in practicing anything now nor making our kids endure it. We don't mock or disparage it or anybody else whom practices religion and we're not going to freak if any of our children want to practice it when they grow up- or when they spend time with religious relatives- but we're just not interested in it personally and doubt we ever will be. And no, a portal to Hell has not opened and sucked our house into Hell........yet.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:42 AM

23. You have to try harder these days to open a portal to hell.

I mean, look at all the competition you have from various Repugs!

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Response to LisaLynne (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:05 AM

32. LOL

n/t

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Response to LisaLynne (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:07 PM

60. "portal to hell" Isn't that trademarked by the GOP?

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #60)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:13 PM

61. Actually A Ride In A FEMA Camp

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Response to kairos12 (Reply #61)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:17 PM

62. I hope it's not as expensive as Disneyland rides!

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:06 PM

80. Religious people seem to know how bad god's aim is

by the way he punished sodomites in San Francisco by sending a hurricane to New Orleans and feminists in NYC by sending a tornado to Joplin Mo.

They behave as if our disbelief is going to target them for the divine retribution.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:53 AM

6. We didn't mention it, they never asked...we all are content..

No was grew up to be frantic.

Tikki

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:01 AM

7. Atheists hear them all the time.

There really are the same ones, too.

You can't be good/moral without god.

If you don't believe in god, you are a Satanist.

Pascal's wager: isn't it better to believe in god because if he exists, you'll spend eternity in hell if you don't.

You're an atheist. Do you believe in anything?

Hitler/Stalin/Pot/Mao was an atheist.

Blah. Blah. Blah.

The arguments never change because they never have any new arguments. Many of them go back centuries.

Theists would not have the power today if they didn't have the power then, a time when if you professed non-belief, they'd kill you. It may have taken a while to get the task done, but they'd get er done.

As Daniel Dennett says, we have to Break the Spell that religion holds over humanity. That isn't to say eliminate religion. But, maybe we ought to understand how it holds so large a grip on our world. Dennett's book outlines a way to have a good start on that. I firmly believe that it is a project which can only help humankind and our future. I also feel strongly that if we don't do something like this, we are going to have a very rough road ahead of us.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:13 AM

8. I've posted a linkto the following before

FT Magazine: Atheism in America
Snip/ ... Like that of Harry Purdy, born in Manchester, the son of an American GI father he did not know. A year after the US government opened up its records, the then 46-year-old stepped off the plane at Louisville Airport, Kentucky in May 1991 and became the first of the lost GI babies to be reunited with his father. Purdy eventually took up American citizenship and moved over to live in 1993.

“It was a good thing I met him for the first time,” he told me when we met at a roadside restaurant near his home, “but this is Kentucky, this is the Bible Belt. I’m an atheist.” One by one, members of his new family turned against him because of his lack of belief. Harry doesn’t see any of his American family any more. “The last one I saw was my cousin, Ronnie. Every time he invites me over to dinner, he turns to religion.

The most extraordinary story I heard was from a woman in Tuscaloosa county, Alabama. She grew up in nearby Lamar county, raised in the strict Church of Christ, where there is no music with worship and you can’t dance. She says her family love her and are proud of her, but “I’m not allowed to be an atheist in Lamar County”. What is astonishing is that she can be pretty much anything else. “Being on crack, that was OK. As long as I believed in God, I was OK.” So, for example, “I’m not allowed to babysit. I have all these cousins who need babysitters but they’re afraid I’ll teach them about evolution, and I probably would.” I couldn’t quite believe this. She couldn’t babysit as an atheist, but she could when she was on crack? “Yes.” I laughed, but it is hard to think of anything less funny.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:20 AM

9. god, protect me from your followers!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:23 AM

10. Eh, look at what happened on DU when some atheists expressed dissapointment with the inauguration

For one we got a patronizing history lesson that most atheists probably know better than most theists.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:34 AM

12. I don't know exactly which thread you are referring to

But, I have seen some comments directed at you that to me were teetering on the edge of abuse. Almost, but not quite alertable. Very uncomfortable to watch. It was almost as if they believed you were attacking them by not believing in their god.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:52 AM

13. This is the specific thread, it's like the OP was talking to a fifth grade special ed class

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022231375

I chose to be amused by it rather than angered but others could take it differently, it really said a lot more about the author than the intended audience.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:24 AM

14. I find the reaction to the OP more instructive than the OP itself...

People insisting that religion has no place in secular events are attacked, vigorously. And the attackers taking the stance "you just hate theists". A very strange reaction indeed.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:45 AM

17. After a particularly unpleasant episode here in real life

I had a Christian sigh and tell me just yesterday that he understands why I'm sometimes biased against Christians.

Of course this Christian had just been ripped off for over $2000 by some real strong Bible thumpers so that might have colored his views a bit.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:39 PM

67. William Burroughs put it best

 

> Of course this Christian had just been ripped off for over $2000 by some real strong Bible thumpers so that might have colored his views a bit.

"If you're doing business with a religious son-of-a-bitch, get it in writing. His word isn't worth shit. Not with the good lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal."

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Response to bongbong (Reply #67)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:45 PM

68. "The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." -Emerson n/t

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Response to bongbong (Reply #67)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:06 PM

100. HAH! Ain't that the truth?!

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:13 AM

20. uh, no. that sure as shit is not what happened- says this atheist.

expressed disappointment, my burning left foot.

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Response to cali (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:20 AM

21. Ah, so you don't have me on Ignore

You're just jealous because Nadine's anti atheist rant was much better written than your own as well as being more smug and patronizing.

For someone who constantly brags that they live in paradise you sure do seem to have a chip on your shoulder a lot.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:35 AM

35. uh, no, I'm not jealous, but whatever you need to tell yourself is fine with me, honeypie.

and no I don't have a chip on my shoulder but thanks for the dim bit of psychobabble. Nor do I brag that I live in paradise but then making up shit is a constant for you.

hugs and kisses, little pumpkin.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:06 PM

59. Nadin didn't deliver an "anti-atheist rant". She is herself an atheist.

She's just not one of the "ban all religion and religious thought" school.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:34 AM

15. Most if not all religious adherents live life in fear

 

Fear of being punished by their deity, fear of not getting their reward from their deity, fear of those who don’t worship the same deity as they do, and fear of knowledge and truth.

The crazy part is the religious adherents trying to defend their all-powerful and knowing deity from those of us who don’t live life in fear, like somehow the all-powerful deity is totally defenseless against atheists.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:51 AM

16. Most if not all atheists live life in fear

that they're not as brilliant as they think they are.

And they're afraid that if they admit the possibility of God, then they're not as powerful as they need to think they are. The crazy part is that the more these atheist adherents try to defend their version of knowledge and truth, the more they reveal their own smug, superior, self-righteousness.

There, how do you like those generalizations? Not very much? You started it.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:54 AM

25. +1

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:15 AM

34. I think most of those who don't believe would prefer that there IS a God.

Dying to most is not some mystical place of contentment. It's an end.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:44 AM

37. No we don't.

 

It is religion that is where the fear is, for everyone, believer of not.
If there really is a kind, loving God, He would not be so egomaniacal as to send us to Hell for not worshiping Him in the correct way, in the correct church, on the correct day. Besides, why are their so many flavors of so many religions, if what any of the many flavors of Christian are suppose do believe in, is true? Does this God not care?
How arrogant is this God? Why would anyone want to take a chance of spending the rest of eternity in this God's Heaven? Do you really want to take a chance of having to sing Hallelujah to a deity that is so insecure that he demands such praise and worship? And do that for the rest of eternity? Heaven is Paradise? Sounds like Hell to me. There has to be a reason why there is no description of Heaven in the Bible. Could that be why?

If this Christian God really is a kind, loving God, how you live your life, how you treat others, how you treat the rest of his creation, would count for far more than just believing in a Deity that demands to be worshiped properly, or "Yur gonna go ta HELL!"
Not believing in Him would be far down the list reasons for eternal punishment. War mongering, greed, plotting to take what is not yours, superiority of self over others, hypocrisy, voting Republican, arrogance, using others for ladder rungs to get to the top. And on and on and on...

We are a social species. We do best when we work together to solve problems. Condoning the Killing of those that do not believe as you do is reason enough to be condemned to Hell for all eternity. You don't condone any killings? Then why do so many here justify Iraq and Afghanistan, Israel/Palestine and many other conflicts? Often because we, the US, are killing non Christians, and YOU are safely far away. Non Christians are expendable. Case in point - While it is often pointed out how many Americans have died in whatever conflict, wherever, the many people have WE have killed in THEIR own country, is downplayed or ignored entirely. Are not these people and their lands, Gods creation too? This pleases your kind, loving God? How?
Why do so many religious people desecrate their God by destroying His creation and the life he created by justifying war?
Over all, down through history, religion has seldom been a positive for for good.

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Response to RC (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:28 PM

50. You apparently missed my point completely, but that's okay.

I don't mind.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:56 PM

85. It was the I am rubber your are glue defense

 

I got it.....LAME

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #85)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:31 PM

86. No, that's not it.

It was more, "If you're going to be rubber, then I'm going to be rubber, too."

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:51 AM

39. +1!

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:55 AM

40. With the difference that the first set are basic anthropology

yours are basic bullshit. But keep trying.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:59 AM

42. ROFL

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:51 PM

55. Not as powerful as they think they are? Theists have some confusing ideas about Atheists....

And about themselves. I mean, how can an atheist feel more powerful than a person who believes god is on their side? How much more powerful can you be than to have an omnipotent friend? Every earthquake or hurricane that hurts your enemies must have been a favor from him to you. You lay on hands, ask him to heal someone, and he does through you. Doesn't that make people feel powerful? To know their all-powerful friend will always save them and protect them and be there for them?

An Atheist, on the other hand, knows exactly how powerless we are in this universe--how careless and ruthless it is. How can anyone who doesn't believe in god feel powerful? We know how little control over the natural world we've got. So, I'm not sure why anyone would generalize us as afraid to admit the possibility of god as that would make us lose our power--if we could admit it, we'd gain a feeling of power, wouldn't we?

Just seems a really weird generalization that, as usual, says a lot about believers. So, a belief in god makes them feel powerless not powerful? Is that what they're saying?

But I'll agree with you on the smug, self-rightousness.

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #55)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:19 PM

64. You are taking this much too seriously.

I was merely making an annoying generalization, like the poster I was responding to.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:14 PM

81. What I'm afraid of is

What if the Vikings were right? I don't want to go to Hel, but I'm a lover, not a fighter.

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Response to Romulus Quirinus (Reply #81)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:15 PM

82. LOL. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #82)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:18 PM

83. ^_____^ nt

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:09 AM

19. +1

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:19 PM

65. This is true...

Anyone who has studied religions knows that what stultusporcos says is true. These are academic descriptions of the historical study of religion and most of these observations come from the adherents own descriptions and of course the scripture description of consequences. Anthropologists and Geographers and others have really good information, unbiased information, on the effects of religion on adherents through years and years of thorough studies which are not meant to favor one religion over another or even to discredit religion, simply to understand it. Quite frankly I can't understand how any historian particularly those who study the time during the Roman conversion of pagan religions forward, can believe in it. It is history and that is all.... my opinion of course.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:41 AM

22. It would seem to be an inevitable result ...

... of letting your readers be your editors. I wonder if the people at CNN see it that way.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:50 AM

24. If people can raise their kids bringing them to church (which I do, as a Christian) they sure can

raise them without religion. Nothing inappropriate here at all. Just idiotic people forgetting that we all have a right to practice whatever religion we want to as well as not practice one at all.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:57 AM

26. CNN is tampered in

dark-sided stuff.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:58 AM

27. MADNESS

The world is shrouded in fear makes no sense………SMH

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:01 AM

28. Because, as a society, we encourage the idea that religious beliefs are special beliefs.

As if it were a fundamental part of being human. Part of our intrinsic selves.

As opposed to what it is - a set of socialized mores and customs that varies widely even within the same religions.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:55 PM

95. Right. Even here on DU we get that argument all the time.

Religion is supposed to be in its own little special protected bubble. We can shred the stupidity of Republican and rightwing beliefs (which, by the way, often stem from religion), yet pointing out that certain religious beliefs would be considered the rantings of a lunatic if they weren't labeled religion brings down condemnation and hell fire.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:46 AM

29. Religious nuts are deeply insecure and feel they need constant affirmation...

...of their beliefs. Hence they get psychotic when they see something like this.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:12 AM

33. Not to quibble too much but using the word 'nuts' is not very productive.

And I have no beliefs to defend.

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Response to randome (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:01 AM

43. No, it is, we need to call out religion for the idiocy it is..

"respect my beliefs" LOL


No, I'll respect your right to believe whatever you want, but I don't have to respect your "beliefs". Comedy and mockery are what will finally drive religion to the dustbin where it belongs.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:08 AM

44. I can't imagine 'arguing' with anyone over their religious beliefs.

But you're right, comedy and mockery do help drive home important points. What's even more important, I think, are the legislative victories we have enjoyed. Roe vs. Wade in effect put the stake in place over the heart of the church. Gay rights are starting to pound that stake in.

The various pedophile scandals are helping.

It's our legislative victories -our victories as a society- that are depowering the Catholic Church and, by association, other forms of religion.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:40 PM

52. Yup. I respect people, not beliefs.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:22 PM

66. I've read plenty of the same type of response to religion

The very mention of it gets some people of non-belief flying off the handle.

We all do it. Everyone has something they get all emotional about. We all have our insecurities.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 09:57 AM

30. this is exactly why non-religious people hate it when religious people

want to be able to express their belief in public. It's because religious people don't want non-religious people to express their beliefs or non-beliefs in public. You can't have it both ways. If religious people get to express their beliefs in public then so do non-religious people.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:01 PM

78. +1, n/t

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:37 PM

84. This problem is pronounced with fundamentalists,

especially Evangelicals. Gallup and Pew had a poll out last year showing that 3 out of 4 Evangelicals believe that America is a Christian nation and their form of Christianity should form the rules for society.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:40 AM

36. Religious Freedom= the right to exercise Christianity in public

At least that's how the fundies on the right see things.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:11 AM

45. The people who don't like this need to remember;

Judge not, lest ye be judged..............

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:16 AM

46. You're making a big assumption there.

That they actually believe what they SAY they believe. It's often not the case, IMO. Religion to most is an amorphous palliative to keep from having nightmares during the day.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:40 PM

47. Inappropriate? No. Obnoxious? Hell, yes.

I think any article about why one person's belief system is superior to another person's is obnoxious. And her view of religion is completely childish. Not all people who identify themselves as religious or spiritual see God as a magical man in the sky who grants rainbows and unicorns to those who pray hard enough.

I find this sentence, "We are creating the next generation of kids, and there is a wave of young agnostics, atheists, free thinkers and humanists rising up through the ranks who will, hopefully, lower our nation’s religious fever," interesting. Let's try another version: "We are creating the next generation of kids, and there is a wave of young Christians rising up through the ranks who will, hopefully, lower the fever for Judaism/Islam/atheism in this nation." Doesn't sound so innocent now, does it?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:05 PM

49. I went to a boarding school where the founder believed that religion shouldn't be a part of...

 

scholastic life and that one should get to decide on their own once they reach the age of 18 what they choose to believe.

I liked that idea and it has served me well.

This woman's method of raising her kids isn't inappropriate, but it will serve to lessen her kids curiosity about 'God' if they are told there isn't one...I'd focus on raising kids who were curious and open to discovery and let them choose what they want to believe; I don't expect my own kids to believe everything I do; after all, none of us can know any real answers where God is concerned until we pass away and see what happens.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:44 PM

53. I raise my children with God

If they turn out to be atheists, I will love them the same. However, I would rather expose them to it and then let them make a choice rather than not expose them to it and expect them to make an informed decision.

Same reason I make my children taste a food BEFORE telling me they don't like it.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:56 PM

69. What if they're allergic to the food and get sick?

I'm allergic to tomatoes, bell peppers, and several other things. I refused to eat them and was yelled at at the dinner table because I would not taste them. And there are a lot of foods I just don't like. I have very unpleasant memories of pitched battles at my grandmother's house over food. She boiled everything to death.

I'm allergic to Abrahamic religions because of the lack of rational thought. It gets worse the older I get, just like my food allergies.


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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #69)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:38 PM

116. How did you know you were allergic to those items?

We have children with allergies and did not find out until there was a reaction.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #116)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:18 PM

117. I ate pizza and barfed it up an hour later, that's why.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:57 PM

56. The truth hurts, I reckon. Is it really surprising , though, that people who

cling to and literally believe Bronze-Age Fairy Tales, would behave this way?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:02 PM

57. Fear of having their 'dumb as a rock' beliefs shattered. Nothing is as rigid as a

closed and heavily programmed black and white block thinking mind.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:18 PM

63. Fundies don't like opposing view points, especially if logic is involved.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 02:59 PM

70. Because people are not tolerant of atheism

Despite arguments to the contrary.

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #70)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:52 PM

89. Study says religious people distrust atheists as much as rapists

Study says religious people distrust atheists as much as rapists

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/315425#ixzz2J3AUcvJk


and

study finds atheists are least trusted

The 2003 study, spearheaded by Penny Edgell, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Minnesota, found that atheists rank below several other minority groups, including immigrants, gays and lesbians, conservative Christians, Jews and Muslims, as "least likely to share everyday Americans' vision of society," Edgell said. "They're the new outsiders."

The telephone sampling of 2,081 households nationwide also found that atheists are the minority group most Americans least want their children to marry, she said.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/edgell/home/Strib%20Atheist%20Faith%20and%20Values.html


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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:36 PM

74. Religious Bigots number...

many in this nation, especially against atheists. You can also see it hear on DU! No big surprise!

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Response to rexcat (Reply #74)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 09:47 AM

91. Bigotry against atheists on DU?

Sorry, I see far more bigotry against Christians on this site. Even on this thread.

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Response to Nine (Reply #91)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:44 PM

92. You are entitled to your opinion...

but not your own facts. More comments by atheists are hidden on DU when a comment is directed toward the religious on DU than the other way around. Many a bigoted statement by a religious person is not hidden on DU.

My guess is you would define religious bigotry as anything that questions your religious beliefs which would fit in nicely with some in the religion forum. There have been a number of people banned from the A&A forum because they don't understand the concept of a protected forum and violate the terms of the forum. They also like to troll the A&A site and use it against us in the religion forum. It seems to me that any questioning of religion is bigotry to a some on this site and I might have to include you with that group. From my own personal experiences in our "wonderful" country and here on DU atheists are disrespected more than any other group and and discriminated against on a regular basis. I have been on the end of the discrimination thing many times since coming out of the "closet" in 1973, not necessarily on DU but in the community I leave in and with some of my own family members and especially with my in-laws, the "good" catholics that they are.

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Response to rexcat (Reply #92)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:58 PM

98. My observations are opinions but your observations are facts?

Do you have evidence to back up your assertion that anti-religious comments are hidden on DU more often than anti-atheist comments?

Your guess about me and about how I define religious bigotry is incorrect, but I suppose it fits in with your broad brushing of anyone who doesn't identify as a strict atheist. I have never visited any of the religious subforums on this site. I mostly stick to LBN and General. If you say there is trolling on the religious subforums, I'll take your word for it. But I have never seen anti-atheist or anti-agnostic bigotry in General Discussion while I have seen plenty of anti-religious bigotry here.

As for the country as a whole, sure there is anti-atheist bigotry. And I see that as a battle between bigots and those who oppose bigotry, not as a battle between atheists and the religious. Both of those groups can and do include good Democrats.

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Response to Nine (Reply #98)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:24 PM

107. We do make comments...

on the A&A forum concerning bigotry noted on other forums in DU and the discussions are lively on those topics.

I did not use any "broad brushing" of anyone who doesn't identify as a strict atheists. As long as someone is not trying to force their religious beliefs on me I don't care if they worship rocks.

As far as anti-religious bigotry, it is in the eye of the beholder. What you may consider bigotry others would not. I generally don't attack the individual but I will comment on what I would consider to be ridiculous or something that has no merit with reality. That may be taken personally but that is not my problem.

I and many others on the A&A forum have first hand experience with anti-atheist bigotry in this country and on DU and it is on both sides of the political isle. For the most part I do not bring up my atheism to anyone in person unless they specifically ask and then with hesitation. My experience has not been good when I tell people that I am an atheist and Secular Humanist. I can say that, for the most part, christians of this country don't hesitate to let everyone know what their religious beliefs are!

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Response to rexcat (Reply #107)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:17 PM

108. Do you not see the inconsistency in these two statements?

1. "I did not use any "broad brushing" of anyone who doesn't identify as a strict atheists."

2. "I can say that, for the most part, christians of this country don't hesitate to let everyone know what their religious beliefs are!"

You may think of yourself as tolerant and neutral but your contempt for Christians comes through loud and clear. Consider the following statement: "As long as someone is not trying to force their religious beliefs on me I don't care if they worship rocks."

The underlying premise is that Christians *will* try to force their beliefs on you. And the imagery of worshiping rocks is derisive. What if someone had said, "I don't care if a dude wants to screw another dude as long as he doesn't try coming onto me." Or, "I don't care if someone wants to eat twigs and leaves and live in a yurt as long as they don't scream at me and lecture me when I'm trying to enjoy a nice steak." Would you characterize those statements as being tolerant of LGBT and vegetarians/vegans?

(And, yes, I realize that there is probably a religion somewhere that does worship rocks; you could even characterize the modern pagan religions that have a sacred reverence for nature as being "rock worshipers," but I wouldn't do that because it's a belittling way of putting it.)

I think you need to stop thinking of Christians and other theists as your enemies and your oppressors. You probably have many friends on DU who are religious and you don't even know it. If you've been to a political rally or other event, you were probably in the presence of many people who identify as both progressive/liberal and religious.

And as far as you stating you're simply commenting on "ridiculous" beliefs rather than making personal attacks, that's a very shaky line to try to walk. I find astrology to be without merit in the strictest sense, but many people are interested and involved with it, and I think 99% of the time it does no harm to anyone and maybe it even does some people some good. If someone told me they were interested in astrology, I wouldn't expect to be able to say, "Astrology is stupid," and not have them be offended by that or take it personally.

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Response to Nine (Reply #108)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 07:45 PM

109. It seems...

you will lower yourself to anything to prove your point. From what you have said it is clear who is the bigot and it is not me! All I can say is the only point you have is the one on your head.

Having a conversation with you is like

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:57 PM

76. Just goes to show...

That some people want to force their religion on others. Look, if this mother doesn't believe in God, that's her perogative. The child will grow and develope his/her own feelings as they explore their lives. This should not be marked as inappropriate. What if she were raising their child in a faith other than Catholic? Would that other faith be deemed inappropriate? People need to stop putting their religious beliefs onto others. I'm Catholic. I'm not going to care what anyone else believes. It's only between me and my God.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:00 PM

77. The welfare leech fundies stay at home and spam the internet with their propaganda.

With that said, the majority of older Americans are intolerant of ANYONE who is NOT a Christian.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:03 PM

79. It's not POSSIBLE to raise your children without God

who do you think they are?

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Response to Ricochet21 (Reply #79)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:26 PM

88. Huh?

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #88)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:44 AM

111. since god is all things

so are your children and you

He's not "out there"

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Response to Ricochet21 (Reply #111)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:20 AM

112. That's silly

We raised our kid without infecting his mind with the idea that God existed. In adulthood, he has often thanked us for that.

Defining God as all things doesn't make such child-rearing impossible. It simply makes the word "God" meaningless.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #112)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:54 PM

115. I understand the buzz that the word God makes

I wish you and your family the best.

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Response to Ricochet21 (Reply #79)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:52 PM

94. Gee, that's funny, I've already done it with my two.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 01:16 PM

97. Hey, let's all DU this poll ---

that's why. We can put a bunch of votes out there to sway a poll to our liking. I'm sure the Christian Right has forums that can get droves to "flag an article as inappropriate".

It just takes a few, or one person, to notice something worth attacking, then rally the troops to go after it.

CNN has asked people to stop flagging the article. Like that's gonna work.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:28 PM

101. They think God is peering over their shoulder and don't want him to get the wrong idea.

 

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:59 AM

114. They think this will push CNN to shut down the column.

The logic being that if enough people complain about it being "inappropriate", it magically becomes inappropriate. It's much like the way their lies become "fact". If you repeat it often enough, it becomes "true".

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:19 PM

118. Fear. Ignorance. Superstition.

The "god" of the people who flag this is extremely weak, according to his "believers". They are afraid of anything that challenges their weak faith, and so attack it.

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