A compilation LIST of links regarding President Obama

Sid

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to bring you to trial.

I guess you can do whatever you want.

doesn't quite seem right - but it's very obvious that DU3 is going to be forced to be very pro-Obama no matter what. i don't like it one bit - but it is the owner's right to run this board the way he sees fit. Personally I think GD and even GD-P should have been kept as is. I guess we'll see how heavy handed the forced pro-Obama stuff gets and decide if this is really the message board for us anymore.

No one is forcing you to read pro-Obama threads.

I believe as a DU member, a Democrat, and a Obama supporter there is nothing wrong with me posting an OP regarding President Obama.

it is also a board for progressives, unless I am mistaken. Look - I voted for Obama, I just don't think he's done a great job. That said I will probably vote for him again. It just seems that most of the Obama cheerleaders - no offence - are the ones in power here in the Soapbox. Just an observation.

When I volunteered there were lots of slots still left open.

Anyone that wanted to host only had to sign up.

If you don't think he's done a great job then you have a right to say so like you did in your comment.

But I also have the right to state my opinion which is I think he has a done a great job.

Thank you for your time.

that everyone has the right to their opinion on how Obama has done in his first term. and i never meant to imply that your post should have been voted to be hidden - sorry if it came across that way - I would NEVER vote to censor an opinion just because it differed from mine. I don't post nearly as much or as often as you do on DU and must have missed the whole signing up to be a host thing. Oh well. I guess we'll see how it all plays out. No worries.

When you go to the main page of a 'forum' - Example: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1002

there's a button there a couple inches down from the top of the page (left of center) that says: About this forum

Click on 'About this forum' and you'll see lots of info such as a list of the Hosts, etc

There is also a link there that says: ... volunteer to serve as a forum Host.

If the forum already has a full list of Hosts you can still volunteer and when there's an opening DU will notify you.

Hope that helps.


Edited to add:
In 'groups' it works a bit differently, groups have one main host that can make other DUers co-hosts.

thanks for the info. i'll check that out.

The List!!!1!!!!!11111111111!

The only thing they are supposed to judge about a post is it's with with the Statement of Purpose. This OP is clearly on a political topic, and doesn't violate the Statement of Purpose. We don't look at the content or tone of the OP, we just look to see if it fits the SOP. This one does, so it stands.

You're welcome to post your own OP on any topic that matches the SOP. As Skinner said, this forum is the equivalent of GD and GD. If it would fit in those forums on DU2, it'll fit here. Criticism of President Obama fits, so have at it.

When DU3 goes live, sign up as a host, and you'll see what the job is about.

I was going to just say you posted in the wrong forum and are supposed to be enforcing that rule in an orderly fashion.

But... "I'm a Democrat, He is our president?" That makes waves of dread wash over me. That's right out of the Lee Atwater/Carl Rove playbook.

Are you trying to lose the 2012 election?

We're all on the same team at the end of the day

p.s. I am thrilled that President Obama, a Democrat, is in the White House and I look forward to seeing all the great things he will do in his second term

I am proud to be a LIBERAL Democrat - I wear that label as a badge of honor.

by Smits character - very powerful. I would most certainly describe Obama as a moderate though - not a blue dog per se - but not what I would consider a liberal. Maybe in some speeches.

what is wrong with you GD-P people attacking anyone on DU who doesn't agree with you. now i can't even say i like a vid that YOUR BUDDY Tx4Obama posted. what is your problem TheWraith?

Scuba has also posted links to Obama's Kansas 'New Nationalism' Speech that echoes TR's speech there years ago.

This is the kind of thing we need to be hearing, what our core values are, our dreams for this country and its people and how to implement those changes.

You get ripped apart. He's done some excellent things and all GOP candidates are light years beneath him intellectually.

is where it should have gone, and I have to agree. A list of links does not an argument or discussion make. As time goes by and people better get the feel of DU3 and where the general boundary between Soapbox and Great Reads is, I'm going to more inclined to lock this sort of thread in Soapbox as not meeting the Soapbox SOP. If you wanted to post your OP in Great Reads and then come over here and opinionate (ugh, is that really a word?) about Obama/Democrats/whatever and say something like, "see a post with many supporting links in Great Reads", with a link to said post, that would be fine.

Many times, when I see an alert, I ask myself not just, "Could it fit in Soapbox?" but "Would it be a better fit somewhere else?" We have a tendency in DU2 to use GD as a junk drawer (and no, I'm not calling your OP junk; I'm talking about that drawer many people have in their kitchens for "stuff"--you know, the one where you can never find a rubber band when you need it?). DU3 is clearly an attempt to move away from that mentality. Some things that wouldn't fall within the narrowest scope of Soapbox will be left alone (by me, and by many of the other hosts, I believe): things like CTyankee's Friday Challenges or personal posts ("I got a job!", "my mom's in the hospital", "has anybody seen DUer X?", etc. Most of those things are part of the culture of the old GD and wouldn't really have a better "home" here on DU3. Your OP, however, would.


on edit: After posting this, I popped over the the Hosts forum and saw that they'd just discussed this very topic. Since the OP content is on topic for Soapbox, the consensus is that it stays.

that you can alert on anyone's post. Including the admins. We all fall under the same rules.

At least, I have not seen that indication at all.

In which case the Hosts would then be free to violate the Statement of Purpose for their own posts at whim.

be locked (as with anyone else). Being a host (or even an admin) doesn't make you immune to having a post locked, since any one host can act unilaterally to lock a post.

If you're a Host and another Host does something that you may be opposed to, you might overlook it because it gives you a future opportunity to do something that other Hosts will overlook. It's basic politics on a more general level. Tit for tat. Random peers are not subject to this behavior, because they don't know each other and the overall best solution is to be completely honest and fair.

Peer to peer file sharing gives us a lot of advice toward 'appropriate' and 'just' behavior.

anymore than anyone else is free to do so. It's possible (probable, even) that a host is less likely to have a thread locked for being off topic, if for no other reason than that there are only 19 hosts reviewing their post instead of the 20 that everyone else must get through . While I certainly won't deny that peer pressure can be a factor, I'll also point out that hosts won't necessarily know they're locking a host's page. I'm a host in this forum, but when I reviewed this thread I didn't know that the OP was also a host. And, once DU3 actually goes live, the hosts will turn over at most every 90 days and likely more frequently than that.

FWIW, I didn't lock the thread because I don't think it violates the forum's rules. Many people (both in this thread and in the Hosts forum, where the subject has inspired a thread nearly 100 posts long at this point) are of the opinion that it is better suited for Good Reads. For my part, I disagree, and think it would be out of place in Good Reads. (That is not to say I would lock it there, either, had I the power. What's more, even if I agreed that it would fit better in another forum, I don't think that necessarily means it should be locked, because I think there is bound to be an overlap between the forum and I have no interest in policing (or seeing other hosts police) rigid boundaries, which I think would lead to the kind of hierarchical experience I'd rather avoid. I think hosts should lock threads that clearly violate the SOP, but I don't think that "Personally I would post that somewhere else" requires a lock.

For reference:

This discussion thread violates the Statement of Purpose for this forum. (See this group's Statement of Purpose.)
-- Goes to Hosts.

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See Community Standards.)
-- Goes to Jury.

This post includes a copyright violation. (See Copyright Policy.)
-- Goes to Admin

This person's avatar image or signature line is inappropriate.
-- Goes to Admin

If "Does this post include a Terms of Service violation?" is checked:
-- Goes to Malicious Intruder Removal Team and Admin if the Jury voted to hide the post.
-- Goes to Admin only if the Jury voted to leave the post alone.

Technically it does go to the Hosts which themselves act as a jury with unilateral power for each individual host. There are issues I do have with that, but given how it was handled in this instance I am satisfied. Not everything can be solved with a technical solution (though I think in this case there is one, I would prefer the interpersonal relationship this less adequate system facilitates).

Now I'm off to bed.
Have a great weekend

*note that at the end of the final blog post - the authors state this: "But we’ll end on a brighter note. Obama did a lot of things right. He did make progress. He’s got a laundry list of accomplishments that he’ll be able to bring out for the debates, and television commercials, and the campaign stops along the way.

He’s got our votes still. But it’s disappointing that it won’t be a more enthusiastic one."

Link: http://obamaletdownwatch.wordpress.com/

Thanks for the list.

We are trying to get one created.

Here's a link to the petition: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12401581

It's all about elections, and the one for POTUS has got to be the biggest election. This just seems to be a glitch.

so it can be bookmarked. I think this page will disappear after they are done testing and it is a post I would love to have at my fingertips when needed.

n/t

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x809210

I appreciate the reply.

Glad we're friends.

who can never admit Obama has ever done anything that has been less than perfect - but that's ok if yall are good with it i guess.

Especially if you think that we'll "never admit" that we're wrong?

as basically pro-Obama propaganda which is very one sided. nobody is perfect and the fact that many of the old GD-P peeps act like he is - takes away from your credibility which is why i have a hard time believing a lot of what yall write - or think much of it productive. don't get me wrong - some is - but most of the time it seems like many of yall are so in love with Obama it blinds yall in regards to his flaws - since you asked.

Not sure if this is allowed. I am a host in this group. I am not locking this, as I don't want you or anyone to think it is due to content, yet I feel that if I were to follow what the other hosts are doing, I would lock it. I like the idea of Soapbox as 'your soapbox' so climb up on it and speak your mind. Others are locking like mad for 'in the wrong place'. I think far too much. My opinion. Now, I do think that in terms of the 'rules' stated, this should got to Good Reads, as it is links to read, and not your own mind spoken. Soapbox is you, speaking as you. Links to other things, I think are more 'Good Reads'. Then again, I could be wrong. I err on the side of free discussion.
So I could lock, yet I'm not. I think those of us 'hosting' need to be proactive and explanatory, not snarky or agenda mad. The 'host' system has potential to function well, it could also reduce to a competitive enforcement trip and the difference lies with the hosts themselves.
That's my two cents. Enjoy.

I agree with you...this should be in Good Reads as it is links and not a statement from the OP.

And so I appreciate your post and your decision not to lock it.

I also chose not to lock it, though for slightly different reasons, since I believe this forum is a perfectly fine fit for the OP. The main idea of the post, it seems to me, is "Obama's first term has been productive and successful, as all of these lists of his accomplishments demonstrate." Whether one agrees with that position or not, it seems to me to be more fitting for Soapbox than Good Reads.

I think it's a good idea, as you said, to be proactive and explanatory, which is why I thought I'd chime in with another host's perspective.

...if it had the same sort of editorializing like on the DU2 post I think it would have certainly been more suitable for here. If people start posting link farms in the future they can call back toward this precedent and if most of the Hosts are still active then as they are now, they're going to be a bit embarrassed.

Of course, there's always the option of another Host simply unilaterally acting against that, so it's not so bad for the forum as a whole, just for those Hosts who clearly got it wrong here.

And while there were differing opinions, the general thought is that this thread is not off-topic for this forum.

Hosts, of course, are not bound by that, and a Host could still lock this thread.

I did want posters in this thread to know that the alerts were taken seriously, generated discussion among the hosts, and we're not ignored.

Thank you for giving the Hosts an opportunity to work on a situation that was not cut and dried.

Sid

then it should stay imo.

even though i am a vocal Obama critic and am not a fan of purely one sided posts which could be viewed as propaganda - i'm even less a fan of censorship. personally i would say it probably belongs in Good Reads but that's just my opinion.

Damn!

Some people felt it belonged in Good Reads rather than Soapbox and therefore should be locked for being outside the purpose of this forum.

Given that I was contacted by a Host with a very respectful message and explanation, I believe the issue is settled, though I do think that the Hosts got it wrong, I'm fine with them being wrong. That's how life is.

I joked with Tx4obama that I'd be their defender, and I most certainly would, if the OP had any sort of commentary. It was ... just a list, I felt that it was more useful in Good Reads for that reason. I do not think that OPs should be just lists of links in Soapbox. The current Hosts have set a precedent (for their pool of Hosts), and they're going to cause headaches for themselves in the future over posts like this (and it will, because people are itching to push buttons).

Tx4obama's OP would be better if it had the editorializing that it has on DU2, ironically it could be even more controversial if it did! But at least then it would be what I believe to be more representative of the Statement of Purpose for this forum.

nt.

Thanks, I appreciate how this was handled, even if I still disagree, it's still good.

Take care,
Josh

PS one could make an argument that it is 'disruptive' given that two outspoken users have made their statements known, however, I do not believe it is disruptive in that vein. If anything was disruptive it was the public assertion that the post belonged somewhere else. I do believe SoP alert would've been more ideal.

Just wondering because his hippie-bashing is a huge issue with me and many others. He lied to us about this during his campaign.

Also, would Obama placing the US Coast Guard under the control of BP during the gulf disaster qualify as an "accomplishment".

Just curious.

OFA: Progress for the LGBT Community (Chart/Image released April 2012)
http://my.barackobama.com/page/share/progress-for-lgbt-americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101722723

find it. Listmania is borrowed from Amazon.com. "Listmania tag" must be in the body of the message.

I've been reading with wide-eyed disbelief some of the comments. Why wouldn't this belong in General Discussion? With all the stuff under the sun that is posted in GD, I can't believe a super-quality post like this is controversial. Wow. Or "propaganda"? LOL.

The second link is particularly good. Let's see if I can kick this one more time: