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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:41 PM

So one day I met a Red Cross girl in Vietnam.

She was about 17. She was working in a day room trying to organize pool tournaments. She was from the States.
I asked why she was there and she said she volunteered. I asked why would she want to come to Vietnam and she said she wanted to do something for her country in the war and could not join the military and fight so she joined the Red Cross and volunteered for Vietnam.
I thought back then that she should have been able to make her own choices.

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Reply So one day I met a Red Cross girl in Vietnam. (Original post)
upaloopa Jan 2013 OP
obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #1
upaloopa Jan 2013 #2
Bandit Jan 2013 #8
obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #12
pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #15
Whisp Jan 2013 #3
upaloopa Jan 2013 #5
obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #13
Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #6
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #7
Whisp Jan 2013 #9
rhett o rick Jan 2013 #11
alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #14
11 Bravo Jan 2013 #17
OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #18
nick of time Jan 2013 #4
Recursion Jan 2013 #10
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #16

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:43 PM

1. Some of the "Donut Dollies" died in Vietnam

As did quite a few government civilian women, and of course nurses. The latter's names are here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022253981

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:45 PM

2. I asked her what she got paid and she said she

got a new uniform .

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:11 PM

8. Candy Stripe uniform

I ran into many candy stripers or donut dollies as they were also called..

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:20 PM

12. Yup, just room and board

And, some were given a body bag for the ride home.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:33 PM

15. IIRC, the former Donut Dollies I know all told me they were paid Red Cross employees

Same for the Hospital Service branch workers in the hospitals (the Donut Dollies were part of the RC's Supplemental Recreational Activities Overseas branch).

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:46 PM

3. something really bothers me about all this.

are we are forgetting that Vietnam and Iraq were false and deceitful wars? they were made up so the arms people and the other fat cats that profit from war could get richer. are we looking back and wishing that women too could have been killed needlessly along with the 50k men that did?

I am so not getting the celebrating and stuff about all this.

Which was the last honest war the US was in? Certainly not in the two above, or central america or who knows where else they stick people to kill each other in so stocks prices are nice.

I must be out of fashion.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:54 PM

5. I have never "celebrated" that war. I am

pointing out that women were there too only we never recognized their service.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:20 PM

13. Right, my point, too

WWII was the last "honest" war, and I am totally opposed to a draft.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:04 PM

6. +100 Wars make some people rich at the cost of other's lives.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:07 PM

7. "are we looking back and wishing that women too could have been killed needlessly along with the 50k

men that did?" Huh? Seriously? Well speaking for myself, maybe others "wished women could have been killed", I dont want anyone to have to die for the elitist-capitalist, but I think it's a big step that women can DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:15 PM

9. and I don't disagree with you.

women deserve the equal pay and equal opportunity for promotion in the military.

This whole subject has got me flummoxed and I probably worded it wrong for you to think I meant women should have been killed. The point is no one should have been in 99% or so of the wars America has waged.

I feel like the ugly fucking duckling in all this. Where the hell am I?

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Response to Whisp (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:18 PM

11. It's cool. I knew you didnt mean that. No one should have to die for the oligarchs. nm

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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:25 PM

14. Some times even terrible things push forward progressive change

Of course the wars in Vietnam and Iraq were horrible, unnecessary lies. And of course the best situation is that no American should have to engage in combat. But if the Iraq and Afghanistan wars make clear that at least combat designation should go to people (of whatever gender) who are serving in combat situations, and if those horrible wars produce greater equality and opportunity and quality within the military, and if that change spurs greater social changes, then they at least produced that.

Things are rarely a matter of celebration or condemnation. Absolute acceptance or absolute rejection. Most people operate in the complex world where even the terrible can produce something useful, and perhaps even good.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:27 PM

17. I never celebrated the VietNam war, and you'd be hard pressed to find any grunt that did. We ...

just went and fought the fucking thing.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:56 PM

18. In all the time I've been on this board (currently, as well as a good while ago), I've NEVER read...

....a post from anyone "celebrating" ANY war in which the US has participated, or in which the poster participated.

Writing about personal experiences is NOT "celebrating" by any stretch of the imagination.


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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:52 PM

4. The women I met in Vietnam,

 

nurses, donut dollies, red cross, were all just as tough and dedicated as any soldier/Marine/sailor/airman there.

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:17 PM

10. It sounds like she did make her own choices (nt)

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Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:24 PM

16. At least she freely made the choice and in her own way she did help

 

and she also saw firsthand the horrors of war too.

She also made an impact in your life in some fashion too.

People go to war and join the military for a variety of reasons some by choice and others not, some for money, religion, country some because they got nothing else better to do and don't know what else to do, some want to get out of town, some because they have a family and need medical coverage and a roof over their heads, some for education and training, some for travel. They are from all walks of life yes even the kids of the top 5%, I knew a couple. The majority are poor to middle class and most really have no clue about politics like political junkies do, pretty much like the vast majority of Americans. They know sports and entertainment more than politics and politics has become pretty much a sports event to them. Sure they pay some attention close to Election Day but day to day it is a sporting event and hopefully the side you support wins. Oh and not that many vote, just like the rest of America.

People join for a variety of reasons and over all the majority do not see actual combat only about 25% of the military are in even in what is considered a front line unit the rest support them in one way or another, yes what they do is important and some see the horrors of war and can be killed so no place is really safe but some places are much safer than others. Fortunately the Rambo types are quickly weeded out and kept away from weapons as much as possible and yes war will turn some into psycho killers, some will get a rush from it and actually enjoy it to some degree some are traumatized by it some think it is just a job.

The point being there is no one reason why people join and most really don’t understand geo politics nor history.

So give em a break.

Those of us who understand geo politics and politics in general need to use our knowledge and power to help those that return from their service by fully fund the VA and giving them the help they need and resources to restore their life again. It is a travesty what this nation does to our vets.

I also believe in a draft, no exceptions your in school TS, end of semester your property of Uncle Sam for 4 years of active service but it does not have to be in the Armed Forces you could choose to do 4 years of social service which could be national or international depending on the need. Teaching, Medical clinics, rebuilding homes and neighborhoods, day care, etc I think people get the idea.

This will have a few purposes, going to war for BS reasons will be greatly reduced, more Americans will have a shared experienced right now less than 5% of living Americans were ever in the military, the social service will rebuild America, millions will be working and give more million opportunity’s they would have never otherwise had which is also a stimulus and just doing something for this country a way to give back.

However don‘t be surprised to see the increased use of corporate or executive military forces, they are already existing and offer turnkey solutions to corporations and governments. Don’t be shocked when you see our government start to use them instead of the US Military. Many will support it; Congress just dumps the money into to black programs and magically a front just bought an Army to do some ones bidding. President is innocent because it is not happening in America and his Army is on base. Win-Win for the MIC and those in real power.

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