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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:10 PM

Anti-Defamation League: Stop using Nazi analogies in gun debate

The Anti-Defamation League is calling on critics of gun control legislation to stop using references to Hitler and the Nazis, calling such statements “historically inaccurate and offensive,” especially to Holocaust survivors and their families.

The ADL cites the following examples in a new press release:

The Drudge Report, under the headline “White House Threatens ‘Executive Orders’ on Guns,” featured photos of Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin (Jan. 9).

Former Major League pitcher John Rocker wrote on WorldNetDaily.com about what he described as “…the undeniable fact that the Holocaust would never have taken place had the Jewish citizenry of Hitler’s Germany had the right to bear arms and defend themselves with those arms” (Jan. 15).

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“We know that the national debate over gun control is one of the most divisive issues in the land, and while Americans are entitled to have strong opinions, there is also language that is inappropriate and offensive in any such discussion,” Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor, said in a statement. “The idea that supporters of gun control are doing something akin to what Hitler’s Germany did to strip citizens of guns in the run-up to the Second World War is historically inaccurate and offensive, especially to Holocaust survivors and their families.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/adl-stop-using-hitler-in-gun-debate-155142.html

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Reply Anti-Defamation League: Stop using Nazi analogies in gun debate (Original post)
cali Jan 2013 OP
bongbong Jan 2013 #1
hack89 Jan 2013 #2
bongbong Jan 2013 #4
hack89 Jan 2013 #5
bongbong Jan 2013 #8
hack89 Jan 2013 #14
11 Bravo Jan 2013 #6
bongbong Jan 2013 #7
11 Bravo Jan 2013 #9
bongbong Jan 2013 #10
11 Bravo Jan 2013 #21
bongbong Jan 2013 #22
beevul Jan 2013 #15
bongbong Jan 2013 #16
beevul Jan 2013 #17
bongbong Jan 2013 #18
beevul Jan 2013 #19
bongbong Jan 2013 #20
11 Bravo Jan 2013 #23
beevul Jan 2013 #24
OneMoreDemocrat Jan 2013 #3
cali Jan 2013 #11
Electric Monk Jan 2013 #13
RILib Jan 2013 #25
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #27
Initech Jan 2013 #12
Kolesar Jan 2013 #26

Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:32 PM

1. Fun times for the Delicate Flowers

 

When your "gun control = Hitler" lies are exposed, whatcha gonna do?

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Response to bongbong (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:35 PM

2. I agree with the ADL

I am more in the "gun control = fantasies" camp

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Response to hack89 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:40 PM

4. Sorry you can't read

 

That's not what they said. They said that Delicate Flowers (gun nutz) live in fantasyland because of their fantasies/lies about Hitler.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:46 PM

5. Then I must not be a delicate flower

because I agree with the ADL and think that fears of gun control are overblown. I also agree that equating gun control with dictators is offensive.

Nobody is coming for my guns - gun controllers don't have that kind of power. Hence my belief that gun controllers like yourself are not like Hitler at all. You just have very active imaginations about what you can actually accomplish.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:00 PM

8. Congrats on your Strawman

 

> Nobody is coming for my guns

Funny, gun control wasn't actually mentioned by the OP. Instead, it is about how Delicate Flowers are crazy for claiming Hitler was a "gun controller".

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Response to bongbong (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:41 PM

14. And they mention Hitler because they think Obama is coming for their guns

I don't. I know the President supports the 2A as an individual right.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:52 PM

6. Sorry you're such a recidivist plagiarist ...

By the way, Tom Tomorrow called, and he has offered to buy you your very own thesaurus. Then you can post something at least remotely original, instead of continuing to parrot what was incisive and clever when he used it; but which has become downright tiresome in your redundant platitudes.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:56 PM

7. LOL

 

You decided to ignore the contents of my post and concentrate on a personal attack.

That's very special.



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Response to bongbong (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:08 PM

9. Let's see, you accuse another DUer of being unable to read. I respond with a reminder of what ...

by now is your well-documented plagiarism, and you whine about a "personal attack". Sounds fairly "delicate" to me.

By the way, your last three posts titled "LOL" were hidden by a jury. You might wish to try something new. (Although, based on your history, "something new" isn't likely to be part of your repertoire.)

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:15 PM

10. LOL

 

Plagiarism takes more than re-using a convenient label like Delicate Flower.

You can look up "plagiarism" on any online reference source like wikipedia.

If you concentrated more on education, like learning meanings of words, your posts would make more sense.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:30 PM

21. Plagiarism: "The appropriation of another author's language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions ...

without attribution." Sorry, Sparky, but unless you're now ready to claim that you initiated the use of the phrase "Delicate Flowers" in reference to gun nuts, that's talking about you.

Thanks for the advice about education, though. I've been a Virginia public school teacher for almost 40 years (thank you GI Bill); but no doubt such a sagacious wordsmith as yourself could teach me a thing or two.

As for your promiscuous use of "LOL" and the "ROFL" smilie, well fuck, I surrender. You have now so thoroughly demonstrated your mastery of the art of incisive wit and rapier-like retort that no one could possibly stand against such a relentless barrage of clever intellectual discourse.

I have better things to do now, so I'll leave you with the last word. Here, I'll even get you started: LOL

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:38 PM

22. You're still hilarious

 

I thought, like a lot of my Delicate Flower stalkers, that you would've seen the various times I credited Tom Tomorrow with the phrase in question. Guess you didn't, so this is kind of a "wake up call" for you.

Keep riding that plagiarism merry-go-round! It's doing great for ya!

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:08 PM

15. Ironicly, one of those hidden posts mentions hitler.

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Response to beevul (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:12 PM

16. Looks like I got a couple of stalkers

 

Curious behavior from the Delicate Flowers.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:14 PM

17. Calling me your stalker for replying to another poster? Whos delicate now eh?

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Response to beevul (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:21 PM

18. ????

 

You mean I can't respond to other posts? Wow, a new set of rules! Amazing!

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Response to bongbong (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:22 PM

19. You must have me confused with someone that actually said that. N/t

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Response to beevul (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:28 PM

20. LOL

 

No, I'm not confused.

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Response to beevul (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:58 PM

23. beevul, check it's transparency page. Good for a laugh, and perfectly indicative of why ...

it would be senseless to expect any kind of rational response from the plagiarizing little critter.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:14 AM

24. Yes!

Thats what I was getting at. This from its transparency page - a hidden post that refers to hitler when talking about gun people, in a gun thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2014663

High irony, considering it is accusing the gun folks of leaning on hitler earlier in the thread, wouldn't you say?

Me? I'm LMAO.


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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:37 PM

3. Ah, another 'N' word we can't use...

 

Thanks for the advice Mr. Foxman, but I'll stick to having opinions about stuff even if you're offended.

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Response to OneMoreDemocrat (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:24 PM

11. what the fuck? Foxman and the ADL are exactly right

it's an utterly inaccurate and histrionic comparison.

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Response to OneMoreDemocrat (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:28 PM

13. You're choosing to stick with an historically inaccurate opinion on purpose?

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Response to OneMoreDemocrat (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:09 AM

25. true, OneMoreDemocrat

 

I'll make any comparison I like. This is like those who say you can't call the Armenian genocide a genocide.

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Response to OneMoreDemocrat (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:07 AM

27. Aaaand Free Republic is missing its village idiot... n/t

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:26 PM

12. This is normally where I'd post the Lewis Black Nazi Tourettes video...

But the copyright police at YouTube have taken it down.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 07:53 AM

26. A gungeoneer used a grotesque picture of Nazis rounding up Jews

I googled the thread from 2004 and found that the post and image had been deleted. You can see how the discussion proceeded, though. I am pretty sure it was "Dolomite", who is not a DU3 member. It's an old story. In this decade the gungeoneers poke at the margins this topic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=56209&mesg_id=56227

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