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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:53 AM

 

Who is responsible for our messed up Country? Boomers or Millennials?

I am not trying to provoke class warfare, but after reading one too many 'I got mine' attitudes of Boomers on another thread, I wanted to ask people....who created this mess?

Everyone like to bash young people, they are a product of society.

They were brought up during the Bush era of lies and looting, no morals and no one standing up to evil.

They were brought up by a disgustingly perverted media pushing violence and objectification, and pathetic corrupt media that distracts instead of discusses.

What the hell did everything think was going to happen to future generations?

Some Boomers think today's generations face the same economic outlook as they did at the time.

Times have changed, whether Boomers want to admit it or not. Many Boomers live through a great wealthy time in our nation, had much time to accumulate wealth.

Now, wages have barely gone up and costs for everything is through the roof.

Houses aren't $30,000 anymore, so it is not easy for for current generations to pay off their house and start socking it away.

I understand there are Boomers that don't have it so great, but to think that the current generation is being handed the same opportunities at wealth creation that was given to previous generations...that is just absurd.

Look at the wages today. CEO pay had risen astronomically, wages stayed the same.

How can young people pay the high prices of everything on such low wages?

It is common sense, I don't get why Boomers can't see it.

And who created this economy? Or should I say, who was accumulating wealth while the Government was sending our jobs overseas?

Did young people create the world they were brought up in, or was it possibly older generations?

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Reply Who is responsible for our messed up Country? Boomers or Millennials? (Original post)
Fight2Win Jan 2013 OP
marybourg Jan 2013 #1
tosh Jan 2013 #6
greatauntoftriplets Jan 2013 #28
old guy Jan 2013 #81
upaloopa Jan 2013 #2
kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #73
Hekate Jan 2013 #78
tsuki Jan 2013 #3
get the red out Jan 2013 #52
forestpath Jan 2013 #61
lonestarnot Jan 2013 #4
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marmar Jan 2013 #8
reformist2 Jan 2013 #13
JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #31
TM99 Jan 2013 #35
alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #55
cemaphonic Jan 2013 #80
SirRevolutionary Jan 2013 #86
WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #9
gordol Jan 2013 #10
cali Jan 2013 #14
gordol Jan 2013 #16
cali Jan 2013 #21
Orrex Jan 2013 #23
marmar Jan 2013 #18
Orrex Jan 2013 #20
CreekDog Jan 2013 #38
WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #39
cali Jan 2013 #11
WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #12
gordol Jan 2013 #19
socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #36
WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #42
Blue_Adept Jan 2013 #51
socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #56
HockeyMom Jan 2013 #95
socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #104
blue neen Jan 2013 #92
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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:56 AM

1. Republicans.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:58 AM

6. ...

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Response to marybourg (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:09 PM

28. Of any age.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:22 PM

81. 'Nuff said.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:56 AM

2. What purpose does this have other than driving

a wedge between all of us.
These kinds of OPs are worthless and destructive in MHO.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:10 PM

73. It has no other purpose whatsoever. I predict a pizza soon for this one.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:13 PM

78. It's a wedgie, all right

But it only works if we take the bait.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:57 AM

3. Wall Street and their poodle politicians.

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Response to tsuki (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:39 PM

52. +1

Yes, everyone suffers because of them.

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Response to tsuki (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:50 PM

61. +2

 

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:57 AM

4. Piglicons fucked the country. Age is irrelevant.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:57 AM

5. Yes.


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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:58 AM

7. Republicans of all ages are responsible.

nt

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:59 AM

8. Man, we GenXers can't even get accused of messing up the country.


Out of sight, out of mind.


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Response to marmar (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:01 PM

13. I know, right? It's like we don't even exist anymore! LOL

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Response to marmar (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:10 PM

31. That's because

They (the boomers and mills) have figured out we are cynical assholes who think these discussions have ZERO value to anyone, anywhere, at any time, in the history of human kind?

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Response to marmar (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:14 PM

35. As a GenXer

all I can say is that it wasn't us.

It was definitely the Boomers and the Millennials who have screwed up this country.

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Response to marmar (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:41 PM

55. Slacker ass slackers! (Proud Gen Xer here!!!)

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Response to marmar (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:20 PM

80. Yeah, and it's weird that the Silent/WWII generation gets a pass too.

The oldest Boomers are still in their mid 60s. There is still a lot of political/economic/cultural power today wielded by the 65+ crowd, and they were at the apex of their power during the 70s and 80s, when a lot of the seeds of our current problems were sown.

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Response to marmar (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:31 PM

86. It is funny how they never mention the Xers

like us However, I think these "which generation did it" posts are mucho stupid. ALL Boomers did it? ALL Mills did it? How about the rich greedy CEO/Wall St exec/Puke politicians and sell outs who sold us all down the river and continue to? Super greedy asswipes come from all generations

I'd have to say old Nixon did quite a number on the office of the Presidency, later St Reagan opened the flood gates to corporate greed, and * was just the crap icing on a crap cake. But we have plenty of Boomer, Xer and Mill pukes who lead the way and/or are following in their footsteps.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:59 AM

9. Oh, and P.S.

18-24 is the demographic that votes in the lowest numbers of anyone in America besides dead people. Boomers vote in vast numbers.

Decisions are made by those who show up.

So. Who's fault?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:01 PM

10. Spam deleted by Skinner (MIR Team)

 

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Response to gordol (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:02 PM

14. I've got a better idea, pumpkin. go fuck yourself on the way out the door.

asswipe troll.

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Response to cali (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:02 PM

16. Spam deleted by Skinner (MIR Team)

 

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Response to gordol (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:04 PM

21. braindead little trollypoo.

you are nothing but dogshit to be scraped off our site. repeatedly, fuckwad.

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Response to gordol (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:05 PM

23. My money's on cali in this scrap

Keep smiling, gordol!

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Response to gordol (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:03 PM

18. Man, there's a virulent troll strain right now.

nt

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Response to gordol (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:03 PM

20. Cogent!

I wasn't sure where I came down on this Boomers vs. Millennials debate, but your level-headed reasoning has convinced me that your position is thoughtful and self-evidently correct.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:19 PM

38. then why blame a whole generation

when you just explained why only some of them have blame?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:20 PM

39. Exactly my point.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:01 PM

11. well this is a remarkably dumb op.

thanks for so significantly lowering the collective IQ here, honeypie. Now go.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:01 PM

12. "Houses aren't $30,000 anymore"

Houses weren't $30k when Boomers went home-shopping, either. You're talking about their parents, who bought those homes with the help of the GI Bill.

An understanding of social and economic history is vital for anyone seeking to lodge a coherent complaint.

Thanks for playing. The library is that way.

P.S. Divisive threads make DU suck.

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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:19 PM

36. Sorry - Paid $40k and $35k for first two houses - Boomer 60 yrs old

I bought my second home in 1980 - $35K (earnings $18K/yr)

I sold it in 2000 for $135K - (earnings $45K/yr)

That will give you two data points for discussion

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Response to socialindependocrat (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:20 PM

42. Not in Boston you didn't. Or New York.

Or in lots and lots and lots of places where lots and lots and lots of people live.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:35 PM

51. All anecdotal...

But there's plenty of it. Our house was bought in 1978 in the burbs just outside of boston for $42k. Good sized house on a good bit of property. It happened and often. Things went up faster, quicker, just around the city of course, but it didn't happen everywhere so quickly.

And while I completely get your point, and its' worth adding to the discussion, housing within major major cities just causes those that live elsewhere to feel devalued.

I spend a lot of time watching HGTV and it's fascinating in all the House Hunters show to see what will get you a home in different parts of the country in this day and age.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:42 PM

56. This was outside of Boston and New York - Where lots of other people live...

Just providing data for the discussion.

Location - Wilmington, DE

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Response to socialindependocrat (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:56 PM

95. We bought our first house in 1974 in Queens for $58,000

We sold it in 1987 for $285,000. We made no improvements on that house, which was built in 1920, at all. The 80's were the beginning of real estate going through the roof.

However, the real problem is that WAGES have not keep pace with the cost of living over the decades. Anyone over 50 knows that one.

I had a very nice, big, one bedroom Queens apartment (24 hour doorman, big lobby, laundry room) for $200 a month in 1971. I made $8/hour as a secretary. Remind me what the minimum wage is today????? Think you could rent anywhere today for $200 a month? I know you can't where I live in Florida ($500/$600 average studio), but I still see $8/hour JOBS today.





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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #95)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:21 PM

104. I bought - Cherry Hill, NJ $45K n- 1976

My second house I was paying $325/mo on my mortgage
and people were paying $900-$1100 for a 3 bedroom (late 1990s)

Work said they were combining our merit raise and our cost of living.
The next year the CoL was 3.4% and we got raises of 3.0% -tops
You tell me how well we made out on that deal.

Then, they said the employees were paying a higher amount to offset the retirees
and they were going to stop the practice. I don't think we got any more in our pay but the rates went up for the retirees. So where did all that money go that I paid in for the past
30 years? Probably toward a $7M bonus for the CEO as reward for duping all the stupid
workers who were "lucky they had a job" in a right-to-work state.

The wealthy owe us just a bit...

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Response to socialindependocrat (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:46 PM

92. Your interest rate would have been at least 12%, probably more in 1980...

and you would have been happy to get that before it went to 18% and 19%.

Times were not so great when St. Ronnie was in power.

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Response to blue neen (Reply #92)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:10 PM

101. I think it was 9.5 - same ballpark n/t

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:02 PM

15. This is divisive and unnecessary.

Who was brought up by the media? They didn't have parents?

Who paid $30,000 for their house? Not this boomer. Maybe my parents did.

Who raised the CEOs salaries? Why are you trying to hold one generation or another responsible for something we all deplore?

What common sense is it boomers can't see?

Stop broadbrushing everything. It only serves to display your ignorance and insensitivity.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:30 PM

47. Really...

this Boomer with a Masters degree will never be able to afford a house. Then or now. When I graduated from college in 1980 the unemployment in my neck of the woods was 10%. If there were streets paved with gold for me, I apparently missed them.

I blame Republicans for the mess, and I know them of all ages.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:23 PM

112. Some answers

Who was brought up by the media? They didn't have parents?

Both. It's not like people weren't complaining about boomers plastered to Howdy Doody and the like.

Who paid $30,000 for their house? Not this boomer. Maybe my parents did.

Lots of boomers did. Lots of boomers didn't. No Millenials have. But that's also a function of inflation

Who raised the CEOs salaries?

WWII and Boomers. Millenials weren't born yet, and you won't find a lot of majority stockholders in the 18-25 demographic.

Why are you trying to hold one generation or another responsible for something we all deplore?

Well, the younger generations weren't born yet, or were too young to affect corporate governance. It would be rather silly to consider them responsible for it.

That being said, it's not like 100% of the boomers were lined up to hand CEOs bundles of cash.

What common sense is it boomers can't see?

That when they say "these kids today do ______, and that's terrible", they're channeling their grandparents who thought the same thing about them. OTOH, it seems to be something every generation does to their grandkid's generation.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:02 PM

17. the wealthy and politicians

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:04 PM

22. ..........

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:05 PM

24. Fuck this shit.

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Response to Little Star (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:20 PM

41. Double fuck this shit. n/t

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:59 PM

96. Triple fuck this shit

N/T

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:07 PM

25. If you want to talk class warfare, talk class warfare -- not age. Follow the Money.

Follow the Money.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:08 PM

26. Anyone, of any age, of any political persuasion, of any demographic,

that suffers from the mental illness know as Greed.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:08 PM

27. My generation did, boomers. We let the Republicans destroy unions, we want government programs but

don't want to pay taxes. We raised a generation that has no work ethic.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:14 PM

34. Agreed...

But the Republicans helped this along. If the young ones don't start voting they will have the government and country they deserve.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:22 PM

44. pile of over generalized mindless divisive dog shit, honey. your post, that is.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:25 PM

83. Speak for yourself, doc

I still say Follow the Money.

The older I get, the more I see it's about economic class and the Congressional Republicans (and enablers) who deregulated everything FDR struggled to regulate. That masses of people were persuaded to vote against their interests is simply a stunning tribute to the power of propaganda/advertising.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:09 PM

29. Delete this ...and possibly avoid having more people mark you as a troll.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:09 PM

70. Definitely looks like a troll to me.

this sort of bullshit is almost automatic "ignore this person" fodder for me. but, since we can't serve on juries for troll posts, I've stopped ignoring them.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:10 PM

30. Republicans

If you don't know that it is their intent to take everything and cause the complete downfall of this country, then you have been spending way too much time on that other site.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:10 PM

32. People like you who are too invested in

stirring the honeypot to sit down and work as part of a community to try to resolve issues.

BTW, plenty of older people are earning lower wages now too, and do you think utilities and prices are priced differently for every product for an older person? Also younger people contribute to creating problems too. Do you think they live in little bubbles in this society and are not consumers capable of living beyond their means as well?

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:12 PM

33. You are. It's clear to me that this country is messed up solely because of you.

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Response to cali (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:07 PM

68. +1

 

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:19 PM

37. People like you are responsible for making up this crap.

Corporations, banks, Wall Street and politicians have fucked up the world.
Age or generation has fuck all to do with it.
As you well know.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:20 PM

40. young people need to vote in the midterms and local elections like older folk do, FFS.

and also learn their history, and stop confusing the "greatest" generation with boomers. And boomers with republicans.
Dumb fucking OP.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:21 PM

43. It's REPUBLICANS of any generation now living

honestly, this is just another distraction from the real issue - our tax policies are hurting everyone who isn't in the top 1% and that includes every age demographic.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:22 PM

45. Either a) it WAS your intent to foster "class warfare" or b) you failed.

Drive that wedge like John Henry.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:25 PM

46. Those who divide play the game of the elites.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:32 PM

48. Mammon

 

and his faithful worshippers.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:35 PM

49. I say it's all the so-called "Greatest Generation's" fault

talk about arrogance, how about the name they bestowed upon themselves? The inherited the growth period that resulted from a combination of cheap energy and FDR's smart regulation. And they raised the Boomer generation, who have worked hard and paid extra into social security to pay for their own as well as their parents' and grandparents' old age.

And now we're out of cheap energy, nobody will hire us Boomers, the 1% wants to steal our social security insurance investment to pay for it's trillion dollar wars and trillion dollar gambling habit, and the evil old farts of the Greatest Generation bitch about how much harder *they* had it than we do, and refuse to die.

Seriously, we are on the downslope side of our country right now. Every generation inherits its share of problems and challenges. Some come out ok, but many do not. Sooner or later we all die. Many, if not most, of us Boomers are *not* enjoying the lifestyle of our parents and will *not* enjoy their very long lives.

Certainly the Boomers I know at work are not doing as well as our parents. My pushing 90 father is worth more than any of his 3 daughters, regardless of how well or badly married (or didn't), regardless of the teaching degree, the law degree, the liberal arts and health care degree. None of us is likely to reach his advanced age.

When you see Boomers bitching about Millenials, ask yourself whether they are falling for the inter-generational warfare line that is being pushed...or whether they are offering legitimate criticism. If it is the latter, clean up your act.

If it is the former, re-direct them. Bad actions by a few in government and business led to de-regulation craziness and both political sides are guilty as charged (although the GOP is more guilty, it's best to remain nonpartisan in your criticism. In fact, when dealing with Paulites and teabaggers, I *lead* with criticism of Big Dawg and the removal of Glass-Steagal). As a result, the mass of wealth is held by 1% who are deliberately trying to drive a wedge between generations in order to hold onto their own heads.

For the last 30-40 years, we should have been pursuing alternate, renewable and clean energy, as well as restructuring our society and infrastructure to be sustainable. It wasn't Boomers who put Reagan in office and headed us down the wrong path.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:35 PM

50. I'd like to answer some of this since I was born in 1946.

My father was just back from war and I was conceived on a visit by my mom to the camp he was sent to.
Life then was starting to be good for white men. They got housing and education with the GI bill if they were vets. Women were encouraged to give up their war time jobs to returning vets. Life for African Americans was just as bad after the war as before.
Eisenhower was president and the country employed men in highway construction and in factories making cars and appliances.
Credit was easy to get again for white males. We started buying all kinds of new home appliances. We lived in the suburbs in ranch style houses. We went on vacation and drove around the country on the new interstate highway system. We ate TV dinners and watched color TV again if you were in a white middle class community.
So a new middle class grew because of economic opportunities that were available.
Most factory workers joined unions and negotiated for good wages, benefits and retirement. Kids went to good schools and many went on to college.
Still there was pressure on women and minorities to "stay in their place."
Then we were at war in Korea. We lived under constant threat of nuclear war. We almost had WWIII over missiles in Cuba. We were scared as hell the world was coming to an end soon.

Then came the sixties and the Civil Rights movement, the Women's movement and the war in Vietnam and the anti war movement. I was drafted and sent to fight.
Two Kennedy's were assassinated along with Dr King.
President Johnson wanted to wage war on poverty but the war in Vietnam put an end to that.
There were riots and anti war demonstrations and the country was being torn apart.
The economy went to hell and inflation went to 12%. Home interest rates rose similarly.
We were being tried around the world by other regimes. A ship was taken by
North Korea and Americans taken hostage in Iran.
Then Reagan was elected and the conservative movement began.
You all know what happened after that.
So is life harder for young people than it was for my generation? Yes it sure the hell is. Is the boomer generation completely at fault? I don't think so. Not alone anyway.
All who supported the conservative movement are responsible as I see it and that includes people from every generation since I was born.
Well that's the way I remember it.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:43 PM

57. +1000 However, when I began working in 1970, the average income was something

like $8,000. I recently discovered by 1977 tax booklet and return, where I paid some of my income at a 34% rate. So, I decided to check out prices and wages from back then and compare with those of today.

So, per capita income increased from $5,730 to $26,708 or by 4.66 times. Yet those things that are government subsidized did not increase at the same rate.

"The median money income of households in the United States rose to $13,550 in 1977, a 7-percent increase from the 1976 median income of $12,690. However, almost all of this increase was eroded by rising prices. After adjusting for the 6.5 percent rise in prices between 1976 and 1977, the 1977 median in terms of constant dollars did not show a significant change from the 1976 median."

http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-117.pdf

Mortgage rates averaged 8.9% on a 30 year. Per capita income was a whole $5,730. The per capita income in 2011 was $26,708 or 4.66 times more. Based on that and prices of things in 1977, a gallon of milk should now cost $7.83! (Was $1.68 in '77) and a dozen eggs should be $3.82 and a gallon of gas should be $3.02, exactly what it's selling for here!

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:46 PM

60. I was born in 1939, so I am 7 years older than you.

But everything you stated in your post is so, so true. n/t

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:50 PM

93. Sounds about right, though you had a year's head start on me

My parents started married life in a trailer park, where I was conceived, moved to a small unit at the end of a road by a turkey ranch, then were able to buy a new 2BR 1BA home of their own before my first sib was born. I think the interest rate on their mortgage was 4%. (The interest rate on my first house was a variable rate around 16%; my sis and her husband paid 18% on their first mortgage.)

We were a blue-collar white family, my dad worked for Lockheed Aircraft, was in a union, and wages were not terrific. However, as a child I was not aware of anyone who didn't think of themselves as somehow middle-class. It was a very broad category that included people like us who were what I now think of as aspirationally middle-class.

The average school really was good. Governments have to be willing to spend the money for that to happen, and taxpayers have to be willing to vote for the bonds, too. After WW II, and especially after the USSR launched Sputnik, they were willing.

The threat of nuclear annihilation was the background music of our lives from earliest childhood on.

You did a good recap. I agree that, economic class-wise, it really did start to go to shit with Saint Ronnie.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:39 PM

53. Ralph Nader and anyone who listened to, voted, or contributed to him and his lies

 

without nader...

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:39 PM

54. Boomer's salaries were reduced for last 30 years.

I believe that the Repubs and the business leaders were in bed together and
systematically screwed the middle and lower classes in order to gain more wealth.

Over the past 30 years:

Salaries and benefits have been reduced.
Cost of college ($5K/yr up to $35K/yr)
Cost of gas, fuel oil, food up30%-200%
Cost of houses ($35K up to $200K)

Jobs shipped overseas and the recession caused people to get angry enough to speak up.

The Boomers and the Millenials need to vote and write and petition to get congress to respond to our needs. We need to get the lobbyists to stop paying off our congress. We need to tax the wealthy and the investors to reduce the debt. We need to get salaries to a place where the working class has enough to spend in order to support business growth in the U.S.

There are probably other items that need attention (stop the Repubs from gerrymandering
and skewing the vote so they will be forced to create a Republican platform that will attract voters so they can win elections fairly) (many more that are just as important)

We have both been screwed and mislead by our corporate leaders and the wealthy and
our congress and our Supreme Court.

We do need to team up and vote the crap out of these people who have taken advantage of our
naivete because we were taught to trust all these people who have proven to be abusive to their trusting followers - The clergy, police, congress, local politicians, the Republican party and our business leaders.


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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:44 PM

58. Well, I'm glad it's not the Gen Xers' fault.

We're just doing our own thing I guess.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:45 PM

59. You're "not trying to provoke class warfare"?

Bullfuckingshit. You're also trying to provoke generational warfare. Perhaps if you and your generation pulled your noses way from you damn smart phones and iPads, you would recognize that plenty of us in the "Boomer" generation and beyond are having to deal with the same circumstances as you. Grow the hell up.

Nice post-and-run, BTW.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:53 PM

62. I blame boomers for Michael Bolton and Kenny G

Damn you.


Damn you.Damn you.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #62)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:07 PM

109. Led Zeppelin

We win.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #109)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:15 PM

110. The highs are higher, perhaps

But the lows are legion.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #110)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:21 PM

111. The Zep trumps all.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:54 PM

63. Why did you start a devisive OP and then just disappear? If

you're not willing to tend your own OP and to participate in the discussion, then kindly keep your thoughts to yourself.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:01 PM

64. As a boomer, born in 1948...

I think I'll let a musician answer for me:

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #64)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:06 PM

66. My workplace filter blocks YouTube links, but...

if you posted We Didn't Start The Fire, then you are personally responsible for our messed up country.

To heck with boomers vs millennials; it's all your fault!

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Response to Orrex (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:45 PM

91. Yep, that's the video but...


Don't leave out the key lines:

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #91)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:01 PM

97. "But we tried to fight it" -- and that's the truth

Thanks, Don

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Response to Hekate (Reply #97)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:08 PM

98. Yes we did!...

and some of us still are waging the fight.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #91)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:21 PM

105. That song makes me want to build a time machine

So that I can go back and prevent Billy Joel's parents from ever meeting.


More to the point, though; there will always be problems left over from one generation to the next, and in retrospect many of these will inspire questions such as "why the hell didn't you do something about it when you could have?"

My favorite personal example of this comes a my sixth-grade science class way back in 1982/83. We did a unit called "Environmental Crises" in which we discussed various problems such as Population/Food Shortage, Species Extinction, and The Greenhouse Effect (pretty progressive for public school in the Reagan years).

I remember very clearly that the teachers told us "Your generation will have to solve these problems." Even at the age of 11 or 12, the first thought in my head was "um... what?" That is, why were they dropping this on us? I confess that in the 30 years since then I haven't come up with an answer to that question, but I suspect that it's a combination of "we have other things to deal with right now" and "you'll have more time to deal with it later." A short-sighted answer, perhaps, but I can't think of a better one.


So there are many issues facing us today that seem expressly the result of Boomer practices, or at least the result of policies and attitudes that took root during the Boomer years of the 80s. Of course, many of these can generally (and correctly) be attributed to Reagan and Bush, but it's not as though my sixth-grade class voted for them.

Also, in ten or fifteen years, Millennials will wonder why Gen-Xers didn't solve these problems, and we'll give them the same non-answers that Boomers have given us.

So it goes.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:04 PM

65. all of us

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:07 PM

67. The ruling class.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #67)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:09 PM

69. Yep

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:09 PM

71. Republicans, Libertarians, and Ayn Randists of all ages, creeds, and colors.

You needed to ask??

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:10 PM

72. Hmmm. Post and run.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:11 PM

74. Ronald Reagan & George W Bush.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:11 PM

75. Neither. The parasite class is entirely responsible for messing up our country. They are a blight

 

that destroys every society that tolerates them and we have tolerated them since the beginning.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:12 PM

76. Wall Street, the banks gambling on futures, Ponzi schemes and their enablers.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:13 PM

77. "I am not trying to provoke class warfare..."

Um, yes you are.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:17 PM

79. Boomers are running the show.

And have been for some time. Clearly evidenced in our "I've got mine screw the rest of ya" atmosphere.

Julie

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:23 PM

82. Republicans

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:27 PM

84. Capitalists and the politicians they hire.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:28 PM

85. Divisive post. Talking Points from..........????

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:31 PM

87. Politicians on both sides, who are only looking out

for interests other than the interest of the people who vote for them.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:33 PM

88. My sister is 70 and I am 60

Whatever the designation for The Greatest Generation vs The Boomers is we have seen that her generation is the end of the Greatest and I am a Boomer. it is her friends who make up the Tea Party and Republican base, not mine. There is a big philosophical difference between our age cohorts (not between us, we're both flaming liberals). This is an unfortunate post and dividing as well, primarily because it assumes stereotypes that are not true.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:33 PM

89. Who is responsible for our messed up Country? Boomers or Millennials?

Neither.the real problem
Republicans, birthers, teabaggers and gun nuts are doing more to mess up the country.

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Response to jambo101 (Reply #89)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:37 PM

90. +1

Time to dump this stupid thread. Thanks for posting something that actually means something!

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Response to jambo101 (Reply #89)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:08 PM

99. Nailed it! and add in Wall Street Bankers...n/t

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:55 PM

94. It is the capitalism.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:09 PM

100. Those looking for more for themselves and less for everyone else.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:12 PM

102. Another flaming bag of dog poop on DU's doorstep.

No thanks.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:18 PM

103. I didn't fuck it up.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:43 PM

106. Why, the capitalist system and it's apologists and toadies in the political class....

of course.

It's not different ages. That's merely a wedge issue that those same capitalists use to divide the working class. BTW, this is NOT class warfare because age has nothing to do with class.

He disrupted poorly.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:58 PM

107. The Jack Welch generation had a lot to do with it.

AKA the Korean War generation, just before the boomers. I think a lot of them were the bosses in the 80s and 90s who moved millions of jobs offshore and greed became good rather than a deadly sin.

Jack Welch's Barge

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:05 PM

108. It was me.

I did it. I'll take the blame.

Now, will you people please stop with all of this?

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #108)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:40 AM

114. No

 

I'm Spartacus!

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Response to tama (Reply #114)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:30 PM

120. :)

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:23 PM

113. Puritan pilgrims.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:49 AM

116. There was a question

 


on another forum: "Who gives a fuck about socially excluded dropouts?"

And many answers, all the same: other dropouts.

I have nothing but faith in younger generations. So far they are the best ever. Most of them seem much more mature than most oldies.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:55 AM

117. More than 1500 views and more than 110 replies, but no recs?? Gee, why not?? LOL!! nt.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:05 AM

118. When my parents purchased their first $30,000 home, interest rates were 18-19 percent...

Surely, you realize how ridiculous the rest of your OP sounds when your first example of how easy our folks had it is so absurdly out of context...

What you are attempting to do is exactly what you stated was not your purpose from your very first sentence.

You ARE baiting a conversation in a classist manner, and it fucking sucks!

We are ALL labor; who unless we band together, will only futher be divided by wedging issues of whose fault disaster capitalism is...this OP is nothing but divisive and offers no solutions on how to rectify the situation.

I guess the worst part is your abandonment of the topic. The OP didn't play out like you thought it would in your head; now you are just forgetting it away in hopes that it will die off on it's own...

Probably one of the top 5 shittiest OP's of the week.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:06 AM

119. sorry not biting

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:56 PM

121. Opaque or transparent? nt

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:57 PM

122. False dichotomy.

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