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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:20 AM

Maddow warns GOP’s presidential vote rigging plan ‘is gathering steam’

Following up on her Tuesday segment, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow explained how Virginia Republicans planned to set up the presidential election system in favor of the GOP.

“We have been documenting over the last few days what appears to be a coordinated effort by Republicans in a number of key states to change the rules for electing a president,” she said. “To change the rules so essentially Democrats running for president cannot win.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/23/maddow-warns-gops-presidential-vote-rigging-plan-is-gathering-steam/

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Reply Maddow warns GOP’s presidential vote rigging plan ‘is gathering steam’ (Original post)
still_one Jan 2013 OP
AzDar Jan 2013 #1
mfcorey1 Jan 2013 #2
randome Jan 2013 #3
BlueStreak Jan 2013 #11
BlueStreak Jan 2013 #7
marions ghost Jan 2013 #12
BlueStreak Jan 2013 #14
KittyWampus Jan 2013 #17
mfcorey1 Jan 2013 #20
Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #27
magical thyme Jan 2013 #4
marions ghost Jan 2013 #13
magical thyme Jan 2013 #16
marions ghost Jan 2013 #21
magical thyme Jan 2013 #22
marions ghost Jan 2013 #23
sadbear Jan 2013 #5
graham4anything Jan 2013 #6
BlueStreak Jan 2013 #8
still_one Jan 2013 #10
Scuba Jan 2013 #9
annabanana Jan 2013 #15
JPZenger Jan 2013 #18
graham4anything Jan 2013 #19
creeksneakers2 Jan 2013 #24
graham4anything Jan 2013 #25
DirkGently Jan 2013 #26
Beartracks Jan 2013 #28
Vogon_Glory Jan 2013 #29

Response to still_one (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:27 AM

1. K & R

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:29 AM

2. Is there anything the Attorney General can do to stem this illegal

rigging of the vote?

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Response to mfcorey1 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:39 AM

3. If there is, they will do it.

My worry is that these changes may fall under 'state rights'. If a state -through its legislators- decides it only wants to elect Republicans, is there anything that can be done?

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Response to randome (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:44 AM

11. Yes, I would think so under the Voting Rights Act

If a state decides it wants to throw out any vote by an African-American, or anybody names Jose, can they do it?

Yes, until challenged in court. I don't see where this is any different. They want to create a situation where a clear majority of the state votes one way and their electors vote a different way.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:59 AM

7. The silence is deafening. One would think that such a bald-faced scam

would run afoul of the very notion of democracy in the Constitution. It is amazing to me that we are hearing NOTHING about this.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:49 AM

12. Does it amaze you

after what we have seen in the Bush Selections and the blatant suppression of voting in the last election? Really?

This is why I say--Democracy is for Other Nations, as far as the US is concerned....

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:06 AM

14. Not the Republicans. It is the Democrats who amaze me with their hubris

I expect nothing less from Republicans than dirty tricks, election rigging and lies. Nothing new there.

But it is unconscionable that the Democratic party should remain so silent on such a fundamental thing.

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Response to mfcorey1 (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:16 AM

17. It's not illegal and it's not rigging. It's entirely within the rules as written.

This is political hardball.

The Republicans have been laying the groundwork for this over decades at the local levels.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:53 AM

20. If they should win the presidency, it will not be by the will of the people but by the

manipulations of what amounts to criminals.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:56 PM

27. Its legality is questionable, if they try this then a big courtroom battle is inevitable

It is true that states are free to make up their own rules as to how the electoral votes are cast for their state, there are however federal civil rights laws that the states must follow and it is likely that the proposed system violates those laws by weakening minority voting influence.

If they were allotting the electoral college vote based on the proportion of the vote then I would agree with you, it would be perfectly legal. Allotting based on Congressional District is likely illegal however because such a huge proportion of the minority vote are concentrated in just a couple urban districts while most the rural areas are heavily white and minorities have little influence. The disprortionate effect this system would have on weakening the minority vote likely makes it illegal.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:40 AM

4. Funny thing about that...

After a 6 year hiatus, Maine's super cold winter temps have returned, with the added bonus of switching back and forth here near the coast from 40+ last week to -10 (not including wind chill which made it closer to -30 to -40) the last few nights, with the swings roaring through sometimes in a matter of hours.

So I've been thinking of heading further south, and Virginia is on my list of places to go. And being a small farmer type, red rural is where I'm likely to head.

Here's to demographics changing faster than the GOP can gerrymander them away

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:55 AM

13. Come on down...

bless yer heart for thinkin you'll change the demographics faster than the GOP can gerrymander. People forget that VA (and NC) are 50-50 states, which means there's a lotta blue--so come on down and help tip it.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:15 AM

16. hope you didn't mean "bless your heart" in the way

I always thought it meant...

NC is on my list too. My biggest worries about moving south, being rural, are ticks, poisonous snakes and tornadoes. Also extreme heat, which I hate as much as extreme cold...

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:27 PM

21. it's not ALWAYS meant as a negative

--that's the problem with Southernisms. They keep ya guessin. Forthright Northerners (bless their hearts) try to apply a formula they can cope with. But Southernisms are always open to interpretation in context. Whenever a Southerner says "Come back and see us" (ie. y'all come back now)--they may mean --"I hope we never see you again," or they may mean "If you're in the neighborhood, feel free to drop in," or they may mean, "You're welcome again IF I invite you." You have to interpret which it is depending on the level of warmth and previously earned feelings of trust.

If you're in rural areas where Southern speak is alive & well, you'll have plenty of fun getting used to it.

Ticks--my friend got Lyme in Wisconsin. "Tick check" after being outside (you have 12 hours to do that--if you pull off a tick during that time, you are unlikely to get sick).
Snakes--just know their habits. Don't hate on 'em --cause then you'll see one for sure.
Tornadoes--head for the toilets if you're in a Big Box store. Hurricanes--you get warning so batten down.

Extreme heat --I think you can adjust to--hydrate often and slow down in the afternoons. Walk more slowly. I was in DC with some New Yorkers this past weekend for the Inaugural and was reminded how fast they like to walk. Stop that. The race is to the tortoise in summer in the South. Slow down and smell the magnolias.

Consider NC as well as VA. Very similar states. Good luck. If you have any more Q anytime --shoot. (And I DO mean that

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:57 PM

22. can't stand NY

way too fast for me.

Here in Maine, in the summer we slow way down since the heat -- it might get all the way up to 80! -- could kill ya. Although the drivers speed worse than in winter, and that's bad enough.

But in the winter, we move fast to keep from freezing in place. If you see someone moving slowly, they probably have hypothermia. Ayup!

My neighbors growing up were from the south -- Georgia, SC and NC. I remember the slowness, but not most of the colloquialisms, other than Y'all come back. Oh, and the time the SC neighbor asked us if Y'all want a cookie? and her 4 year old daughter answered, "Me'all's had mine!"

I grew up in Pennsylvania, so know all about ticks. I still remember the day, as a teenager, I couldn't take my August cabin fever any more and ventured out of the a/c. I walked out through the 1st floor attached garage, down the middle of our driveway (surrounded by mowed flat lawn) and down the middle of the street with not one bit of tree shade. I was outside for 20 minutes, 30 tops.

Back inside, I started my standard, post-excursion, tick search. I quit counting at 18. 18. 18 and counting creepy-crawly, blood-thirsty little monstrosities. I moved from standard search to strip search. From there, in desperation, I filled the tub, climbed in, held my breath and went totally under while feeling through my hair. Aaaaack!!!!! That memory alone gives me pause...

Up here we have ticks, but not many. Not 18. At once. And our -10 nights this week may kill off a bucketload of them.

Anyway, before moving I'll have to inherit something or at least get a decent price for my house up here. Time will tell...

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:11 PM

23. The minus ten is the factor

that decreases ticks up north. You stepped in a nest. Could happen anywhere. I presume you know about the chiggers down South... (I hope--) In some ways worse than ticks.

I can see that is a tick phobia with a very vivid origin!





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Response to still_one (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:44 AM

5. Will this hasten the move to the popular vote?

Republicans pull shit like this when their cause is dying. They're in their last throes, as Cheney would say.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:48 AM

6. It's a red herring to get rid of the electoral vote. Don't fall for it. IMHO

 

it is far easier anyhow if there is theft (which is not a known fact, as I blame Nader for 2000 in Nov.2000 over the theft that Nader allowed 5 weeks later).

this all is a red herring, announced years in advance to depress the vote or get rid of the electoral college

btw, Virginia is not a blue state alot of the time
and Texas will be blue
therefore the constants won't remain constant

so, IMHO it's a transaprent red herring all the way around.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:02 AM

8. What are you talking about?

Last edited Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:41 AM - Edit history (1)

It isn't a red herring. it isn't a head fake.

It is a very conscious effort to turn Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Virginia into electors-by-congressional-district states. If successful, on top of the Gerrymandering already in place, this will take 30-60 electoral votes away from whomever the Democratic nominee is on 2016.

It is a serious problem. It is not a red herring.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:36 AM

10. exactly!!!

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:11 AM

9. You need to do some more homework.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:09 AM

15. She actually said that the STORY

was picking up steam...

Although the theft is underway in Virginia.. and well started in a few other states.

. . . AND needs more pushing to show it as the scandal we all can see that it is.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:18 AM

18. Virginia Senate being re-re-districted

Yep, they are doing everything they can to cheat. In PA, last year, they had proposed to split electoral votes by US House Districts - which are extremely gerrymandered.

The Va Senate is tied Dems - Repubs. On Martin Luther King Day, the Repubs made sure the Senate was in session. They knew a 79 year old former civil rights leader would be attending the inauguration on MLK Day, so they could play a parliamentary game to force through a surprise vote. The re-re-districted the Senate seats, which had already been redone in 2011 after the Census. As a result, they guarantee themselves control of the State Senate for the rest of the decade, unless the US Dept of Justice stops them.

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Response to JPZenger (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:27 AM

19. so?

 

AND virginia is not a blue state and PA is.

However, Chris Christie as VP or Pres. in 2016 could win PA, therefore, when they go and change it, who loses? The republicans.

this is a red herring.

meanwhile, if they don't do it in red states, and Hillary wins five or six red states, including Texas, that could be 85 plus democratic electoral votes, far offsetting anything else

again, playing a game where one is depending on one change, with everything else constant is playing it wrong.

all constants don't remain constants.

President Obama would have won just as many votes with this sytem by playing his side of the game different.
One does not remain dormant

and dirty tricks are always around.

Why they were asleep at the wheel in Virginia, well, why not just win in 2014 more red districts?

After all, it depends on the voters all these plans, not who is in the house.

And the repubs don't have the voters. Cheating doesn't get them more votes.

It is simple to see.

this is a colassal waste of time, same as worrying about a non-existent theft in 2004, 2008 and 2012 was a waste of time.
Instead of focusing on getting more voters, as was done in 2008 and 2012.

2000 proved what happens when people get lazy or sidetracked, and 2010 enforced that.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:24 PM

24. No

This would fix presidential elections for the future for the GOP to win, even when they have many less votes. No change in tactics would alter the outcome.

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:41 PM

25. not if the democratic candidate won those districts

 

Texas used to be blue
then it turned red
soon it will be blue again

not constant, moving.

why did we let Karl Rove stock every single office in every state from bottom up?

Why do democratic senators all wish to leave the office and go elsewhere?
A contract should be signed from this day forward that anyone running for office, has to finish the term in office, and if they are not running again, give way in advance notice(senator, at least two years notice, so someone else can get proper finaincing.)


It's not the game it's how the game is played. Why do Democratic seat holders always appear to be sleeping? How could it be a secret that Virginia was going to meet? Isn't there one person who works in that building who couldn't have called someone?

Sleeping is no excuse.

But what stops the democrats from doing the same thing in red states?
NOTHING.

being gentlemen and gentlewomen in politics allows one to lose.

Which is why, we need money, money, money to fight for every district in every state.

again, this is a red herring to get democratic people to want to get rid of electoral vote.

And for every electoral vote they think they will steal, then winning a red state that is not
reproportioned will be 100% democratic gain, zero republican gain

and one is assuming so many things that don't play out the way it is assumed.

What makes one think the voters of Virginia won't vote out all the people who changed the law?

You gotta answer to the voters after all.

Newt Gingrich thought he was so smart in the 90s. Til he and the house lost.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:44 PM

26. Rachel again locks onto a critical issue. Sore losers cheating harder than ever.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:26 PM

28. Republicans think it's all a "game"... and they don't mind cheating to "win."

Then... we all lose.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:56 PM

29. Ever Wonder Why Right-Wingers Claim The US Is A Republic, Not A Democracy?

Ever wonder why so many right-wingers claim that the US is a republic, not a democracy? It's because in their heart of hearts, they DON'T believe either in the idea of one man, one vote or the idea that a majority of American voters should be allowed to choose the people to represent them.

This appears to be the real, unspoken agenda of today's reactionary right. Not simply repealing the 20th century, but apparently any notions of extending citizenship and the right to vote past Justice Taney's bounds from the Dred Scott decision back in the 1850's.

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