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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:17 PM

Getting harder for me to imagine supporting someone other than Hillary in 2016.

It's not impossible, but it's hard to imagine.

Just sayin'

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Reply Getting harder for me to imagine supporting someone other than Hillary in 2016. (Original post)
stevenleser Jan 2013 OP
Purveyor Jan 2013 #1
JI7 Jan 2013 #2
demwing Jan 2013 #5
JI7 Jan 2013 #6
Walk away Jan 2013 #3
demwing Jan 2013 #9
Walk away Jan 2013 #62
demwing Jan 2013 #63
Walk away Jan 2013 #69
customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #16
workinclasszero Jan 2013 #33
customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #70
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #4
JI7 Jan 2013 #7
pnwmom Jan 2013 #55
TDale313 Jan 2013 #10
SheilaT Jan 2013 #41
Bucky Jan 2013 #50
MadHound Jan 2013 #8
Whisp Jan 2013 #11
Lil Missy Jan 2013 #12
onehandle Jan 2013 #13
TDale313 Jan 2013 #15
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #14
TDale313 Jan 2013 #17
flvegan Jan 2013 #18
stevenleser Jan 2013 #39
flvegan Jan 2013 #72
Kahuna Jan 2013 #57
flvegan Jan 2013 #73
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #19
TDale313 Jan 2013 #20
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #21
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #22
TDale313 Jan 2013 #24
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #25
TDale313 Jan 2013 #40
hfojvt Jan 2013 #43
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #26
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #27
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #28
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #30
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #31
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #35
Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #54
Agony Jan 2013 #71
gkhouston Jan 2013 #23
krawhitham Jan 2013 #29
stevenleser Jan 2013 #36
BlueCheese Jan 2013 #48
Bucky Jan 2013 #51
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #32
Ken Burch Jan 2013 #34
stevenleser Jan 2013 #37
Ken Burch Jan 2013 #47
stevenleser Jan 2013 #61
Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #38
SheilaT Jan 2013 #42
BlueCheese Jan 2013 #49
ecstatic Jan 2013 #65
Terra Alta Jan 2013 #44
quakerboy Jan 2013 #45
Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #46
truebluegreen Jan 2013 #52
graham4anything Jan 2013 #53
MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #58
brooklynite Jan 2013 #60
graham4anything Jan 2013 #64
ecstatic Jan 2013 #66
Kahuna Jan 2013 #56
brooklynite Jan 2013 #59
bigwillq Jan 2013 #67
sadbear Jan 2013 #68

Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:19 PM

1. I'm 'all in' for Hillary. I like Joe but he is going to be too old and some of the shit that comes

out of his mouth will doom him for election.

JMO

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:19 PM

2. i don't think she will have a serious challenger

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Response to JI7 (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:23 PM

5. Pshaw

Joe Biden will be a serious challenger, and his age won't matter, because he's gotta be at least 15 years younger than his birth certificate...watch the guy, he bounces!

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Response to demwing (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:25 PM

6. i don't think Biden will end up running

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:20 PM

3. I campaigned for her in 2008 and I will again.

If the Republicans run Christie we will need her.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:30 PM

9. I'd rather see Biden go up against Christie

He would make Christie look slothful and angry in a way that Clinton wouldn't. I'd want to see Clinton go up against Rubio, Santorum, or Ryan.

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Response to demwing (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:22 AM

62. I love Joe Biden. Do you honestly think he has a chance?

I honestly don't.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #62)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:24 AM

63. Chance in the Primary or the GE?

In the Primary, Hillary will be tough to beat, but in the GE, either Biden or Clinton will womp ass

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Response to demwing (Reply #63)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:21 PM

69. Either one. Sorry but we know him to be an intelligent man with....

gravitas but most of the country thinks he is a glad hander who can't keep his mouth shut. Every comedian in the country will be laughing at him through the entire campaign. He has spent years reinforcing that image and it's likely he will continue to do so. He simply can't help himself.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:38 PM

16. Forget about Christie

Even before he gave President Obama that wet sloppy kiss after Sandy and just before the election, he was never going to do any better than Giuliani, and we saw how that all went down in 2008. He's done everything he can to win re-election as governor of NJ, but he's alienated everyone west of eastern Pennsylvania.

Mark my words, the guy who has the head start for 2016 on the Repuke side is Rand Paul. He automatically inherits the Paulbots that we've seen erect signs for the last two elections, and that's a much better start than the two percent Santorum had before the Iowa caucuses.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:26 AM

33. Rand Paul?? ROFLMAO! Please God let it be Paul/Palin vs Hillary/???...well just about anyone!

OMG we will KILL the republican party off at last! Yippee!

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:23 PM

70. Who else have they got that can get an instant ten percent in the Repuke polls?

Ryan? We'll see how 'effective' he is over the next two years, getting his budget initiatives passed, or more likely, not passed. I simply cannot see how any of the also-rans from last year look like anything but losers to the GOP base, after all, they were beaten by the biggest loser of all, Romney.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:21 PM

4. Clinton/Cuomo rolls off the tongue. nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:27 PM

7. there is no way she will pick cuomo as vp

not because he wont be good at it but he is from ny and wont bring in additional supporters.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 05:09 AM

55. Hillary Clinton/Gary Locke, currently the Ambassador to China;

before that, the Secretary of Commerce; and before that, Washington State's very popular two-term governor.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:31 PM

10. I don't think...

The pres and vp candidates can be from the same state, can they?

I wouldn't mind seeing her pick Julian Castro, personally... Although we're a long, long way from vp picks

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:14 AM

41. According to the Constitution they are not supposed to be.

Which is why Cheney had to resume Wyoming residency when he became the VP pick in 2000.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:38 AM

50. The Const says Electors can't vote for both Prez *and* VP from their own state.

So you could technically have a President and Veep from the same state, but you'd be gambling that the margin of victory is wide enough that you can throw away the VP votes in your two candidates' home state. I'd risk it if we had two nominees from a small state, but with a big state it becomes a bigger gamble.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:29 PM

8. Not hard at all for me to support somebody, anybody, other than Hillary,

 

The first Clinton in office did more than enough damage to this country, we don't need to give a second Clinton a chance to do more.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:33 PM

11. lots of people said that in '08 as well.

 



but not enough.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:35 PM

12. Clinton/Warren

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:36 PM

13. That would work for me. nt

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:37 PM

15. Works for me. n/t

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:37 PM

14. Clinton / Castro 2016

 

Would be interesting to see how that would change "toss up states"

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:39 PM

17. Yeah, it would. n/t

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:42 PM

18. I'd rather Kucinich.

War sucks, etc.

Not that I'd be against Hillary.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:49 AM

39. He couldnt even win the Democratic primary for the House in his backyard. If you want a progressive

Warren seems a better choice.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:42 AM

72. "Want" is a funny word.

Care to discuss?

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Response to flvegan (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:39 AM

57. Sure. Another vanity run. That's the ticket!

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Response to Kahuna (Reply #57)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 12:43 AM

73. Thank you for the empty response. n/t

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:46 PM

19. I'm hoping for someone else.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:51 PM

20. In all honesty, me too.

Wondering who's on the horizon who might be ready for a 2016 run.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:55 PM

21. I strongly supported Obama last primary. I would have voted for Hillary had she been the nominee,

and I would do it in 2016, but the same reasons I wasn't excited about her in 2008 still stand. Looking forward to see who else might decide to run, like you.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:00 AM

22. Elizabeth Warren

Let's turn this thing around.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:06 AM

24. I'd be so up for that.

It'd be a tough fight, but one worth having.

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:08 AM

25. And she'd keep fighting *after* the election

As she says, if we lose we'll leave blood and teeth on the floor.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:59 AM

40. What a lovely concept.

An unapologetically liberal president fighting for what they believe in. Yes, please. Count me in.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:28 AM

43. I haven't seen much fight out of her as Senator-elect

she got elected, and then apparently didn't say "boo" about the whole "fiscal cliff" fiasco.

In my view, the game was pretty much lost, or given away, there. The Bush tax cuts are not gonna go back into Pandora's box. Their evil will live forever.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:08 AM

26. If she can kick ass in her first two Senate years and have a record to run on, it's very plausible.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:10 AM

27. A record more notable than Obama's first two in the Senate?

Hmm.... That's a tall order...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:12 AM

28. Don't you pick on my sweetie tonight.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:14 AM

30. What'd I say?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:15 AM

31. Did my sarcasm detector misfire?

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:32 AM

35. Well... no.

Guilty.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:22 AM

54. The day Elizabeth Warren

announces for the presidency is the day I a) re-register as a Democrat and b) start up/join her campaign.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:30 PM

71. Much more BETTER! plus she is not a neoliberal...

last thing we need is more neoliberal

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:00 AM

23. It's way too early to make that decision. n/t

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:12 AM

29. Better start getting use to it now

Because Joe will be the candidate

Joe will inherit the Obama ground machine and it is a mighty machine
Joe will get the labor vote, a lot more of the labor vote than Obama ever got
Joe will get the old white vote, because he will be old and white

If the economy continues to improve Joe will fly through the primary and get 65% in the general

Joe will need to pick a young gun for VP to balance the age of the ticket, my guess is maybe someone like Kirsten Gillibrand (name another young Dem woman, if the economy is good enough he might go bold with someone like Tammy Baldwin who I believe is the 2nd youngest female senator behind Kirsten but Tammy will be 54 in 2016).


Before you write me off please tell me the last time a 8 year VP ran for nomination and did not get it, don't worry I'll wait

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Response to krawhitham (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:46 AM

36. I have no problem with him either. nt

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Response to krawhitham (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:11 AM

48. Joe Biden seems like the perpetual also-ran in the primaries.

I just don't see him ever winning the top of the ticket.

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Response to krawhitham (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:47 AM

51. You gotta watch it with those hard and fast rules about nominees.

Six years ago there was a hard and fast rule that governors, not senators, are the ones who get elected president.

I'd like Joe to be president; I supported him in 2008 and was thrilled when he got the nom at the convention. That said, we have to be realistic about his age. I've seen him nod off at a couple of events in the past few years. That sort of thing getting circulated is just murder on a campaign. Frankly, I have the same concern about Clinton. She's only 5 years younger than Biden.

If you're looking for a hard and fast rule from history, when was the last time the Democrats ran and won with a new presidential nominee over the age of 52? I think it was Woodrow Wilson. We do best when we pick a young go getter to take the White House. Our veteran nominees like Kerry or Dukakis just don't seem to jazz up the young adult base, which Dems always need to clear the 50% marker.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:19 AM

32. She has done an excellent job as SoS.

I would certainly support her if she were the nominee. With respect to the primaries I'll want to see who else runs - but we could do a lot worse. She kicked a lot of ugly GOPer ass at the hearings today.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:27 AM

34. Nobody ever thought you'd support anybody else, dude.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:46 AM

37. Dont you have another nonsensical OP to write? nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:11 AM

47. Why ARE you so smug about everything, anyway?

Do you really think that tone actually wins anyone over?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #47)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:34 AM

61. Says the person who responded to my OP with a reflexive snark. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:48 AM

38. If she wants the nomination, she gets the nomination, pretty much.

And the first woman president is the perfect follow-up to the first black president.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:16 AM

42. I hate to remind anyone of this, but back in 08 it was widely assumed

that Hillary was the inevitable nominee. If she wanted it, it was hers. Gee, I'm trying to remember what happened then.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:16 AM

49. At this point in 2008 you could see a few credible candidates.

Obama already had the golden aura from his 2004 convention speech, and you knew Edwards was going to be running, as well as maybe a few others.

At this point I can't think of any other Democrat with national stature. I think it will be more like 2000, when it was pretty much Al Gore all the way. If she runs, of course. I think Gore would easily have won the 2008 primaries, but he chose not to run.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:19 AM

65. Hopefully she's learned from that experience

Up until late Feb/ early March '08, I supported her over Obama, but her campaign style, Iran warmongering, and Bill's unhelpful comments were a turn off.

I would love for her to run in 2016, but I want her to give us the real Hillary next time around-- not one who is trying to out-chicken-hawk repugs with fake war stories, bomb talk, etc.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:38 AM

44. If she wins the nomination, I would gladly vote for her in the general.

However, my top three right now are Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson, and Martin O'Malley.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:40 AM

45. Not here.

I will support her if she is the nominee. But I'd really prefer someone not directly related to anyone who has already been president.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 01:43 AM

46. It's still a long way to the 2016 Democratic primary season. I'll wait awhile.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 03:52 AM

52. Oh, puhleese.

Two days after the inauguration and we're already talking 2016? Gimme a break.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:18 AM

53. Hillary45/Biden in 2016. HIllary45/Michelle46 in 2020. Michelle46 in 2024 and 2028.

 

Hillary45 will give us 16 years of the Obama agenda.
Michelle46 will give us 24 years of the Obama agenda

Hillary45 will elevate President Obama to the US Supreme Court in 2018, the job President Obama was born to serve in (and President Taft also went from President to SCOTUS, so it has happened prior).

When one wants to win, one goes to their A person.

One doesn't like the NY Jets did, send in the Tim Tebow's who can't pass, run, or score or do much of anything at all except think that he looks good.

And it will and has to be a history setting woman president.

And for those who might suggest ageism, let me suggest, when one makes history, having an older person as VP is the comfort food needed to help smooth the way to creating more history.

Joe Biden as an historic 3rd term as VP, is like Chicken Soup. Just what the doctor ordered.

And as Joe will run and come in 2nd, well, what better person to be the VP, then the one who came in or near second.

also, history has shown NEVER EVER put someone who is too hungry to be President as the VP
after all, after John Edwards, and Sarah Palin, two of the biggest con artists ever in presidential politics, one fraud, and both unqualified, both OVERTLY suggesting during the campaign itself, sabatoging their own campaign(that they both ruined anyhow by being picked as VP), but both with their whispers that the ticket should have been reversed, then of courses Mittens picked Glove, and voila guess what, Glove's whispers did the same thing.

2016 is needed to ratify 2008 and 2012, and to completely turn the court for decades to come
because after the 16 years, it will be most likely 8 to 1(and possibly if Roberts retires early, seeing the light, 9 to 0, with Chief Justice Barack Obama.


Michelle Obama for Senate in 2018, (of Ill.) and from there the VP and Presidency on her own

after Hillary and Biden, NONE of the other wannabees willobees.They are so far back of the pack and will remain back of the pack.

and I predict they will run in the general against Jeb/Christie. Christie won't/can't win the republican nomination, and Jeb is running and has the apporatus to take it.
We nned Charlie Crist to win the Gov. race in Florida so we own the election bureau down there, and we need Castro to become Gov. and turn Texas blue(and keep it blue).

16 years of President Obama's agenda sure sounds good to me!
and no fracture of the democratic party sounds even better, and a sure winner.

and I predict Hillary45 will win 5 red in 2012 states, especially with Bill again doing mega campaigning like he did in 2012 (and as so in retrospect seen, like he would have brought in, had he been allowed to campaign and not be shunned in 2000. What was Al Gore thinking?
and what were any democratic voters thinking in 2000 staying home in protest, and/or voting for Ralph (financed by republicans) Nader or the likes of him?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:51 AM

58. You're forgetting 8 years each of Chelsea, Sasha, Malia, and Bo

More than a half-century of the Goldman-Sachs Obama agenda.

Puppies, grandchildren and yeti can extend it even further if we're lucky, but we can't count on those.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:02 AM

60. Not much point in having elections then...might as well save the money

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #60)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 09:43 AM

64. not a bad idea, billions saved can go to education, infrastructure and the betterment of life

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:20 AM

66. LOL! nt

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:37 AM

56. It's Hillary for me. I pray that she stays well until that time that

she can deliver to Dems 16 years in the White House!!!

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:01 AM

59. Gonna be a problem then, if she doesn't run...

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:20 AM

67. I am keeping my options open

Just about anyone can emerge at this point.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:22 AM

68. We should try to get someone more progressive/liberal and less corporatist than Hillary.

Let's not throw in the towel this soon. Let's wait to see how President Obama does the next three years. If he's the least bit successful (in carrying out this inaugural address), we should definitely support someone who would enthusiastically carry that torch.

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