Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:54 PM

Purveyor (13,204 posts)

Is it time, considering todays announcement on women in combat, that all women at the age of 18

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Is it time, considering todays announcement on women in combat, that all women at the age of 18 (Original post)	Purveyor	Jan 2013	OP
Pass the ERA and then ask your question again.	DURHAM D	Jan 2013	#1
It's actually the other way around	Leslie Valley	Jan 2013	#5
That is my entire point. It is the reason why the ERA was defeated.	DURHAM D	Jan 2013	#11
Or remove the objection and make the amendment	Leslie Valley	Jan 2013	#17
What are you talking about?	DURHAM D	Jan 2013	#21
One of the arguements for the ERA is that it would end Draft Registration. (nt)	ehrenfeucht games	Jan 2013	#37
exactly	niyad	Jan 2013	#14
Right on!	Politicub	Jan 2013	#26
Agreed!	Bjornsdotter	Jan 2013	#47
There's no good reason that anybody should register.	surrealAmerican	Jan 2013	#2
I agree	Drale	Jan 2013	#12
Well, at least it might rid us	Control-Z	Jan 2013	#23
And prevent misadventures like Iraq.	reteachinwi	Jan 2013	#31
I agree	obamanut2012	Jan 2013	#44
irrelevant. we have a volunteer military.	liberal_at_heart	Jan 2013	#3
For now	Leslie Valley	Jan 2013	#10
Men register with selective service whether there is a draft in place or not	loyalsister	Jan 2013	#13
right after the ERA is passed, and those damned woman-hating legislators get the HELL out of	niyad	Jan 2013	#16
exactly. These are the real issues.	liberal_at_heart	Jan 2013	#22
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt	left coaster	Jan 2013	#24
.	DURHAM D	Jan 2013	#25
I'm with you on the ERA	loyalsister	Jan 2013	#27
Right there with you	Bjornsdotter	Jan 2013	#48
What percentage of men register at age 18?	ehrenfeucht games	Jan 2013	#36
That's their right	loyalsister	Jan 2013	#38
We all have the right to resist slavery.	ehrenfeucht games	Jan 2013	#39
Sure, it's not like there's no penalty	jeff47	Jan 2013	#52
What the fuck is up with this shit.	obliviously	Jan 2013	#4
Everybody should register @ 18.	OneTenthofOnePercent	Jan 2013	#6
why??	niyad	Jan 2013	#18
Women are serving in combat roles today.	JaneyVee	Jan 2013	#7
That's what the ruling was about	Warpy	Jan 2013	#9
Absolutely. More than 130 women KIA in Iraq and Afghanistan, 600+ wounded.	pinboy3niner	Jan 2013	#15
During the prime years for childbearing, just so they can be drafted?	Warpy	Jan 2013	#8
They're already serving,fighting and dying in those years	pinboy3niner	Jan 2013	#20
No one should have to register. I will never put my life on the line against my will...	Comrade_McKenzie	Jan 2013	#19
I was drafted in '67	pinboy3niner	Jan 2013	#34
And once they have their new guns,	Ilsa	Jan 2013	#28
I would rather go the other way and just get rid of the draft all together. nt	ZombieHorde	Jan 2013	#29
Exactly! (nt)	ehrenfeucht games	Jan 2013	#41
Reinstate the draft and require women to register.	morningfog	Jan 2013	#30
I agree with damn few deferments for anyone's child. They might then pay attention to whom they	Purveyor	Jan 2013	#32
We don't need to attack anybody's children.	ehrenfeucht games	Jan 2013	#43
Fuck the Draft! (nt)	ehrenfeucht games	Jan 2013	#42
Fuck the wars!	morningfog	Jan 2013	#45
Exactly. (nt)	ehrenfeucht games	Jan 2013	#46
A cold war relic	Chathamization	Jan 2013	#33
And folks who think that Draft Registration is a deterrent to war should note...	ehrenfeucht games	Jan 2013	#40
No, it is not. Instead, they should join men in resisting Draft Registration. (nt)	ehrenfeucht games	Jan 2013	#35
If anyone has to register, everyone should have to register	Marrah_G	Jan 2013	#49
If only we already had an office that counted how many people of what age lived in every house!	Recursion	Jan 2013	#50
There's no excuse for Democrats to support slavery.	ehrenfeucht games	Jan 2013	#51

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:59 PM

DURHAM D (18,574 posts)

1. Pass the ERA and then ask your question again.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:05 PM

Leslie Valley (310 posts)

5. It's actually the other way around

One of the clubs the right wing used against the ERA was that it could subject women to the draft

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Response to Leslie Valley (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:11 PM

DURHAM D (18,574 posts)

11. That is my entire point. It is the reason why the ERA was defeated.

Pass it now and after that you can have a conversation about requiring women to register for the non-existent draft. Until that happens this notion is a big yawn.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:19 PM

Leslie Valley (310 posts)

17. Or remove the objection and make the amendment

Easier to pass.

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Response to Leslie Valley (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:27 PM

DURHAM D (18,574 posts)

21. What are you talking about?

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Response to Leslie Valley (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:24 PM

ehrenfeucht games (139 posts)

37. One of the arguements for the ERA is that it would end Draft Registration. (nt)

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:14 PM

niyad (24,153 posts)

14. exactly

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:34 PM

Politicub (5,855 posts)

26. Right on!

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:24 PM

Bjornsdotter (4,885 posts)

47. Agreed!

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:00 PM

surrealAmerican (7,478 posts)

2. There's no good reason that anybody should register.

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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:11 PM

Drale (7,314 posts)

12. I agree

Any American government that tried to reinstate the draft would incite rebellion and/or mass migration out of the country.

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Response to Drale (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:30 PM

Control-Z (8,291 posts)

23. Well, at least it might rid us

of a shit load of republicans.

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Response to Drale (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:50 PM

reteachinwi (550 posts)

31. And prevent misadventures like Iraq.

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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 11:52 AM

obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)

44. I agree

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:03 PM

liberal_at_heart (3,606 posts)

3. irrelevant. we have a volunteer military.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:10 PM

Leslie Valley (310 posts)

10. For now

I'm sure you're aware that 18 year old males must still register.

Failure to do so can result in a loss of student loans and grants, eligibility for government jobs and other penalties.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:13 PM

loyalsister (6,926 posts)

13. Men register with selective service whether there is a draft in place or not

Women should too.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:18 PM

niyad (24,153 posts)

16. right after the ERA is passed, and those damned woman-hating legislators get the HELL out of

our bodies.

register? when we don't even have the right to reproductive autonomy, when we are still second-class citizens? when we STILL make less than men? when we live in a rape culture? no, I don't think so.

how about working on getting rid of the military industrial complex first--the bastards who use us all as cannon fodder--before you talk about registering for selective service.

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Response to niyad (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:28 PM

liberal_at_heart (3,606 posts)

22. exactly. These are the real issues.

Those who cry that women should register come back and ask that question when we actually have a draft. Until then let's deal with the fact that women already serve in combat and are sexually assaulted and then thrown out of the military when they report it by the very people who they fight along side. Let's deal with the problems that already exist and worry about the what ifs later.

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Response to niyad (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:33 PM

left coaster (1,090 posts)

24. THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt

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Response to niyad (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:33 PM

DURHAM D (18,574 posts)

25. .

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Response to niyad (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:34 PM

loyalsister (6,926 posts)

27. I'm with you on the ERA

I wonder if eligibility for the draft first would speed things along. Every time we take a positive step forward people start to believe the ERA is not necessary.

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Response to niyad (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:25 PM

Bjornsdotter (4,885 posts)

48. Right there with you

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:18 PM

ehrenfeucht games (139 posts)

36. What percentage of men register at age 18?

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It is simply not true that all men register for the draft.

Many men resist.

And many women would, also.

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Response to ehrenfeucht games (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:33 PM

loyalsister (6,926 posts)

38. That's their right

It doesn't change the fact that women are excluded.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:43 PM

ehrenfeucht games (139 posts)

39. We all have the right to resist slavery.

Whether the government recognizes that right or not.

I'm just pointing out that not all men submit willingly to slavery.

And that many, many women would resist slavery, also.

Even military slavery.

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Response to ehrenfeucht games (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:55 PM

jeff47 (7,432 posts)

52. Sure, it's not like there's no penalty

'Cept for the up to $250k fine, up to 5 years in prison, ban on federal job training, ban on all forms of student aid, lifetime ban on government employment, lifetime ban on security clearance, and no drivers license in 19 states.

All under the belief that the federal government who's had his Social Security number since birth won't be able to find him if there's a draft.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:04 PM

obliviously (1,489 posts)

4. What the fuck is up with this shit.

I thought we were all like what we are saying is give peace a chance, more cannon fodder, whatever.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:06 PM

OneTenthofOnePercent (6,268 posts)

6. Everybody should register @ 18.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:19 PM

niyad (24,153 posts)

18. why??

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:06 PM

JaneyVee (3,826 posts)

7. Women are serving in combat roles today.

They just aren't recognized, paid or rewarded for that service.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:08 PM

Warpy (69,163 posts)

9. That's what the ruling was about

and not some male fantasy of getting all those young women into the military.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:18 PM

pinboy3niner (27,548 posts)

15. Absolutely. More than 130 women KIA in Iraq and Afghanistan, 600+ wounded.

How long can we pretend that we are not sending women to war?

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:07 PM

Warpy (69,163 posts)

8. During the prime years for childbearing, just so they can be drafted?

Sure, what could possibly go wrong there?

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Response to Warpy (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:24 PM

pinboy3niner (27,548 posts)

20. They're already serving,fighting and dying in those years

We just turn a blind eye to it.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:22 PM

Comrade_McKenzie (2,526 posts)

19. No one should have to register. I will never put my life on the line against my will...

I'm glad at least one portion of society has the right not to be enslaved.

All volunteer or no fighting. Run out of troops? Accept defeat and move on.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:01 PM

pinboy3niner (27,548 posts)

34. I was drafted in '67

Called up my draft board and volunteered. I don't know if that spared someone else, but it meant only 2 years for me, as opposed to enlisting for 3 or 4.

Going for a commissison through the Army's 6-month OCS program and being wounded in VN combat extended my term to 4 1/2 years.

Today's all-volunteer military is a tradeoff in which very few bear the suffering and the sacrifice and there is a big disconnect between our military and our civilian society.

Still, I'm not a booster of a draft because of the more than 17,000 draftees we lost in Vietnam.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:43 PM

Ilsa (31,683 posts)

28. And once they have their new guns,

They can protect abortion clinics from harassment and closure by religious nuts and crazy stupid legislators.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:48 PM

ZombieHorde (23,857 posts)

29. I would rather go the other way and just get rid of the draft all together. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:08 AM

ehrenfeucht games (139 posts)

41. Exactly! (nt)

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:49 PM

morningfog (4,161 posts)

30. Reinstate the draft and require women to register.

As long as we are requiring service-members to deploy to war zones, the draft should be active.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:52 PM

Purveyor (13,204 posts)

32. I agree with damn few deferments for anyone's child. They might then pay attention to whom they

are voting into office.

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:15 AM

ehrenfeucht games (139 posts)

43. We don't need to attack anybody's children.

Our children are ends, not means.

Our children are not objects for you to cynically use to pummel your political opponents over the head with.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:09 AM

ehrenfeucht games (139 posts)

42. Fuck the Draft! (nt)

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Response to ehrenfeucht games (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:23 PM

morningfog (4,161 posts)

45. Fuck the wars!

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Response to morningfog (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:13 PM

ehrenfeucht games (139 posts)

46. Exactly. (nt)

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:55 PM

Chathamization (209 posts)

33. A cold war relic

that's nothing more than a waste. Carter reinstated it in 1980 when he was engaged in some saber-rattling; it's stayed in place because no one has bothered to get rid of it (who wants to be "weak on defense?"). Technically, men 18 - 25 are supposed to notify the government whenever they move - how many do you think do that?

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Response to Chathamization (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 10:08 AM

ehrenfeucht games (139 posts)

40. And folks who think that Draft Registration is a deterrent to war should note...

...That President Carter instituted Draft Registration explicitely to fight the Afghanistan War, and we're still at war in Afghanistan more than 3 decades later.

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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:15 PM

ehrenfeucht games (139 posts)