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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:05 AM Jan 2013

NZ to eradicate pet cats?

WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — Gareth Morgan has a simple dream: a New Zealand free of pet cats that threaten native birds. But the environmental advocate has triggered a claws-out backlash with his anti-feline campaign.

Morgan called on his countrymen Tuesday to make their current cat their last in order to save the nation's unique bird species. He set up a website, called Cats To Go, depicting a tiny kitten with red devil's horns. The opening line: "That little ball of fluff you own is a natural born killer."

He doesn't recommended people euthanize their current cats — "Not necessarily but that is an option" are the site's exact words — but rather neuter them and not replace them when they die. Morgan, an economist and well-known businessman, also suggests people keep cats indoors and that local governments make registration mandatory.

Morgan's campaign is not sitting well in a country that boasts one of the highest cat ownership rates in the world.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nz-eradicate-pet-cats-purr-ish-thought

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NZ to eradicate pet cats? (Original Post) The Straight Story Jan 2013 OP
What. An. Ass. regnaD kciN Jan 2013 #1
When they outlaw cats....only outlaws will have cats The Straight Story Jan 2013 #3
They will pry my cat out of my ... LisaLynne Jan 2013 #10
LOL! OneGrassRoot Jan 2013 #12
Sure! Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #2
Poor native birds... xoom Jan 2013 #4
You have to look at the positive side, snooper2 Jan 2013 #28
Is euthanasia an option for him Arcanetrance Jan 2013 #5
BUT surely we need to eradicate the birds to save the worms..... nt Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #6
Yes, we have ... LisaLynne Jan 2013 #7
And eradicate the worms to save the...dirt. I think I did it wrong. nt justiceischeap Jan 2013 #8
If this asshole thought he had a political future in NZ, he just "euthanized" that opportunity. bullwinkle428 Jan 2013 #9
Dude must really hate cats. sadbear Jan 2013 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2013 #13
In other news... Javaman Jan 2013 #14
Them's fightin' words! Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #15
Absolutely union_maid Jan 2013 #19
A bell will not suffice jberryhill Jan 2013 #33
WTF? Remmah2 Jan 2013 #16
i love my cat but outdoor cats destroy native wildlife La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2013 #17
Unlike people, I suppose? panzerfaust Jan 2013 #21
no one's claiming that human beings are not ruining the earth La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2013 #23
Keep your hands off my kitties, Morgan Jack Rabbit Jan 2013 #18
Scumbag extraordinaire... joeybee12 Jan 2013 #20
Thread title completely misleading. ONE GUY, whose idea "is not sitting well...." WinkyDink Jan 2013 #22
Euthanasia an option?? OwnedByCats Jan 2013 #24
The interesting point is that... brooklynite Jan 2013 #25
The native birds of New Zealand cannot fly jberryhill Jan 2013 #26
Urging people to keep their cats indoors and neutering/spaying cats are very good things. Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #30
yes, well, this person is in a position to require neither jberryhill Jan 2013 #31
They hunt feral cats in Australia during the rain season thelordofhell Jan 2013 #27
Like guns, cats should be licensed and taxed. Xithras Jan 2013 #29
Owning cats isn't the problem. Letting them outside to kill wildlife is the problem. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #37
I equate it to owning a boa constrictor or a pet mongoose Xithras Jan 2013 #38
Makes more sense to tax people for each child they create. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #40
I have no problem with that either. Xithras Jan 2013 #42
I'm the same OwnedByCats Jan 2013 #41
They will eradicate the kiwis long before that jberryhill Jan 2013 #32
If it were up to me, I'd ban pets from being outside without a restrictive means unless... BlueJazz Jan 2013 #34
It's been tried elsewhere before with disastrous results... Science Geek Jan 2013 #35
This will fail. But the irresponsible people who let their pet cats roam free to wreak havoc among kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #36
so I guess no one care about the birds. Maybe they're not cute enough. liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #39

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
1. What. An. Ass.
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:13 AM
Jan 2013

You know what's a bigger threat to wildlife than pet cats, Gareth? Humans. So, when are you going to start a campaign to rid NZ of humans? Euthanasia will not be required, "but that is an option"...especially in your case.


Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
2. Sure!
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:35 AM
Jan 2013

He can try and take Loki first. I would suggest a HAZMAT outfit and a dart gun, but, you go for it there, big guy.

bullwinkle428

(20,628 posts)
9. If this asshole thought he had a political future in NZ, he just "euthanized" that opportunity.
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:37 AM
Jan 2013

"Well-known businessman" - does this mean that he's New Zealand's version of Donald Trump? The requisite stupidity is sure there!

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
11. Dude must really hate cats.
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:54 AM
Jan 2013

"Yeah, we're going to skip over trying to keep cats indoors and go straight to ridding the entire country of them."

Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
15. Them's fightin' words!
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jan 2013

That said, I do keep my cat indoors, and generally advocate it for most cat owners. But I can just imagine how overrun with mice some of my rural friends would be without their "barn cats."

union_maid

(3,502 posts)
19. Absolutely
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jan 2013

Pet cats should probably all be kept indoors for their own good. A bell would likely suffice if it was just the birds that were at issue. But barn cats have their own important function.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
16. WTF?
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:51 AM
Jan 2013

Over my life our house has had 40 cats (not all at once), they were all indoor cats. Safer for the cat. In my next life I want to come back as my own cat except I'd like to keep my balls.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
17. i love my cat but outdoor cats destroy native wildlife
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:54 AM
Jan 2013

unless people keep cat indoors and euthanize feral cats, the natural wildlife of that country will be decimated.

I don't think he is insane or hates cats or any of those things. I think he is trying to solve a problem.

 

panzerfaust

(2,818 posts)
21. Unlike people, I suppose?
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:23 PM
Jan 2013

Many studies have shown that having a dog or a cat as a pet extends peoples lives and makes them feel better. Dogs, cats and humans have many thousands of years of a mutually beneficial relationship ... so one is tempted to say "sorry about the birds."

Certain it is that the bird extinction problem on those islands arose with the arrival of the Maori about a thousand years ago, and greatly accelerated after the arrival of Europeans about 350 years ago.

Perhaps the best solution, from the bird's perspective, is that the invasive hairless ape species - which has overrun these and many other lands - simply packs up with its commensals and leaves them in peace.



 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
23. no one's claiming that human beings are not ruining the earth
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:11 PM
Jan 2013

the only reason cats are is because they were moved into a non-native environment by humans, however euthanizing feral humans is not a choice whereas euthanizing feral cats is.

OwnedByCats

(805 posts)
24. Euthanasia an option??
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jan 2013

Wow, can't tell to how you how sickening that feels since I had to euthanize my cat a month ago because he was dying of stomach cancer. Never in a million years would I euthanize a cat that wasn't already dying. I feel for the birds, I do. I keep my cats in the house always, but it isn't just cats that are the problem there.

brooklynite

(94,384 posts)
25. The interesting point is that...
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jan 2013

...New Zealand had no natural predators before human settlement, which in the grand scheme of things wasn't too long ago.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
26. The native birds of New Zealand cannot fly
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jan 2013

For obvious reasons.

I think many of the people commenting on this thread fail to appreciate that fact of New Zealand ecology.
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
30. Urging people to keep their cats indoors and neutering/spaying cats are very good things.
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:59 PM
Jan 2013

Killing and "eradicating" them is entirely different, and very bad.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
29. Like guns, cats should be licensed and taxed.
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jan 2013

Owning a cat while claiming to love the environment is like slapping a Greenpeace sticker on your SUV. It's nice to know you love the Earth, but you're failing to recognize that you're part of the problem.

Cats are incredibly destructive to native wildlife. TNR colonies should be contained indoors or euthanized, pet cats should be registered and taxed, and allowing a cat to wander outside should subject its owner to painful fines.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
37. Owning cats isn't the problem. Letting them outside to kill wildlife is the problem.
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 06:56 PM
Jan 2013

I own 3 cats myself and am most definitely not part of any "problem". My cats never set foot outdoors.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
38. I equate it to owning a boa constrictor or a pet mongoose
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:00 PM
Jan 2013

As a non-native species, they have no business roaming outdoors unchecked. They can be extremely destructive to the native fauna and simply cause more damage to our already shaky ecosystem. A cat, boa, or mongoose kept inside does no damage, but the mere act of having it increases the risk to the environment because you cannot guarantee that it wont escape. By keeping them, you are placing your personal enjoyment above the good of the environment.

I don't have a real problem with owning pets, but I do believe that pet ownership should be taxed, and that those taxes should be spent on programs to rebuild native animal populations that are being damaged by those pets. There is an ecological cost associated with pet ownership, and taxation of that ownership is a fair way to offset the damage that those pets do. If you own a cat, you should pay a tax that will help to rebuild the bird populations that are damaged by those cats (maybe not yours specifically, but cats in general).

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
42. I have no problem with that either.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jan 2013

In fact, I long ago started suggesting that as a solution for overpopulation. Every nation should establish an "ideal population" limit, and apply a tax penalty to parents who have children while the population is over that limit. The penalty should also be automatically scaled so that the further the nation is over the limit, the higher the tax penalty is.

This would do two things. 1) It would place direct financial pressure on prospective parents to discourage the creation of excess children. 2) It would create a strong social pressure against having large families, because YOUR large family would also force OTHER prospective parents to pay more taxes.

OwnedByCats

(805 posts)
41. I'm the same
Thu Jan 24, 2013, 04:34 PM
Jan 2013

I never let my cats outside so I'm not part of the problem either. I'm extremely supportive of cats being indoors unless you can give them a secured run outside. I have unfortunately seen other people's outdoor cats get hit by cars and one traumatizing event where I witnessed one that was killed by some scumbag who hated cats - I absolutely refuse to allow mine outside for those reasons alone. I used to live in the UK where a lot of people let their cats out - I saw more "missing cat" posters than I care to remember. I was the weird American who kept mine indoors, but oh well.

The outside birds in my yard are safe from my cats, I can't say the same for the mice that sneak in the house though lol

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
32. They will eradicate the kiwis long before that
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jan 2013

It is tremendously unlikely that anything will be done about cats, including requiring them to be kept indoors, before the last of New Zealands flightless birds is long gone.

No need to worry.

The kiwis are toast.
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
34. If it were up to me, I'd ban pets from being outside without a restrictive means unless...
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 06:03 PM
Jan 2013

...in a designated park....or other "common sense" use. (Like going into a pet store or vet, grooming, farm etc...

Here in Florida, a lot of pets are killed by being outside..

And yes..I love cats and dogs and other creatures...

Science Geek

(161 posts)
35. It's been tried elsewhere before with disastrous results...
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jan 2013

Many people may not know that the Catholic Church in Europe was on a mission to kill all cats because they were consorts of Satan. They did quite the job of it, reducing the cat population to nearly zero in most metropolitan areas. Then the rodent population exploded and the fleas they carried killed a large percentage of the population with Bubonic Plague.

I see history repeats, associating cats with Satan once again. The results may repeat as well.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
36. This will fail. But the irresponsible people who let their pet cats roam free to wreak havoc among
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 06:54 PM
Jan 2013

the wildlife need a serious slapping upside the head. CATS ARE AN IMPORTED AND INVASIVE SPECIES IN NEW ZEALAND.

Be responsible, people. Keep them in and keep them safe. The wildlife gets first dibs on the out-of-doors.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
39. so I guess no one care about the birds. Maybe they're not cute enough.
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:05 PM
Jan 2013

euthanizing the cats is ridiculous and stupid but what is wrong with encouraging people to neuter their cats and keep them indoors? The birds deserve to exist too.

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