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Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:10 AM

Clackamas Town Center victim's father weighs in on gun debate

Hmmm, let's see if some testimony from a parent of a gun violence victim is more equal than anothers...

...Ron Forsyth believes the gunman is the only person to blame in Steve Forsyth's death that no law could have kept him safe.

"I believe all the rhetoric in Washington is just that, rhetoric," he said. "You can't really enforce legislation on rate of fire or size of clips or kind of ammunition because if you do, then the good guys won't be able to get it and the bad guys will have it."

He believes his son's legacy isn't about guns, but about all the people one man can touch during his lifetime.

"His celebration of life drew 2,500 people and they were all there for him," Ron Forsyth said.


http://www.kptv.com/story/20629031/clackamas-town-center-victims-father-weighs-in-on-gun-debate

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Reply Clackamas Town Center victim's father weighs in on gun debate (Original post)
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 OP
JI7 Jan 2013 #1
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #3
Decoy of Fenris Jan 2013 #5
JI7 Jan 2013 #6
Politicalboi Jan 2013 #2
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #4
virginia mountainman Jan 2013 #8
apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #7
beevul Jan 2013 #10
apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #11
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #16
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #18
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #13
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #9
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #12
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #14
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #15
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #17

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:14 AM

1. maybe not, but stricter laws would still help in preventing some deaths

i wonder what he would say about the war on terror , should we not do anything since we can't prevent all of it. how about getting rid of drunk driving laws since people still do it .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:19 AM

3. *Some* stricter laws would help, most certainly...

Universal background checks, taking straw sales seriously.

The trouble with the "war on terror" is that the "cure" can be worse than the disease.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:25 AM

5. The same principle applies to drunk driving laws.

Those who wouldn't normally drink and drive obey the law. Those who would -already- have a predilection towards drinking and driving will drink and drive anyways, regardless of law.

The same, by logical (and current statistical) extension, would apply to gun laws. Those who would already disobey firearms laws (80-ish% of homicides are with an illegally obtained/sold weapon) will continue to do so, while those who would obey the law are penalized further under additional laws.

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Response to Decoy of Fenris (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:31 AM

6. people might be less likely to get a taxi, a friend who wont drink etc

right now they can be arrested based on how much they drank even if they are driving ok. so that gives them more reason to avoid it even if they felt they could drive safely.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:18 AM

2. This guy lives in fantasy land

"You can't really enforce legislation on rate of fire or size of clips or kind of ammunition because if you do, then the good guys won't be able to get it and the bad guys will have it."

YES WE CAN!

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:21 AM

4. Said by the person with a cannabis leaf as an avatar.

How's that War On (Some) Drugs been working out?

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:44 AM

7. DU'ers, before you reply to or kick *this* thread, here's some things you need to know*:

"Thanks for posting this- I reposted it in GD

I realize that it will not go over well at all with some- but I have come to realize in my middle years
that the poor opinion of the ignorant is becoming less and less important to me**..."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=105686

"The Wars on Terror and (Some) Drugs have already been mentioned.

As for the rest, I tend to rely on something learned as a wee lad, and later in dealing with mid-level politics in the
real world: What you don't give them can rarely be used against you- a lesson many have yet to learn***...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=105690

FYI.

*All emphases added.

**That would be the opinions of the vast majority of DU'ers who are for sensible gun control.

***"Them" would be the vast majority of DU'ers, in their roles as alerters and jurors on community standards violations, particularly as it regards pro-NRA propaganda emitting from the Gungeon, plus the Admins for PPR; "many" would be the large number of long-term pro-NRA Gungeoneers who have recently been banned.

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Response to beevul (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 03:38 AM

11. Sure. Truer than ever.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:50 PM

16. The NRA would seem to have internal security that would impress Lavrenti Beria.

I mean, considering all the shouting, handwaving, and dark mutterings from you lot about
"NRA shills/stooges" and "NRA talking points", you seem to be seriously lacking in, well,
hard evidence.

Where's the super-seekrit "Protocols of The Elders of The National Rifle Association"?
When presssed, you seem to develop either a sudden hearing loss or revert to Colonism:

Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. Hed been to the School of My Dad Always Said,
the College of It Stands to Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me."

 Terry Pratchett, Jingo



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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:30 PM

18. A week later, no reply. How unsurprising...

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:35 PM

13. "Sensible gun control" in that post meaning "the gun control *I* want", naturally.

As for the near-obsessive invocation of the name "NRA" in posts from people of your particular religious
persuasion, I don't take it amiss.

I realize that it is simply not possible for persons of your faith to accept that someone can support policies
that you do not without being some sort of NRA operative and/or member; we would sooner
see Pat Robertson attribute a disaster to natural causes instead of divine intervention....

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 03:04 AM

9. Good guys and bad guys

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Sounds like a nuanced view of things.

ETA: Link to the refutation of the "good guys and bad guys".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022244135

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 08:48 AM

12. Nice anecdote.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:36 PM

14. One with the same inherent value as any other anecdote.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:43 PM

15. What a way to dishonor his son. Typical Republican filth. nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:08 AM

17. And precisely who the fuck are you to decide whether his response is appropriate?

For that matter, how do you know that he's a Republican- or that his son might not agree with him?

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