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Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:22 PM

 

Some day before I die I would like to see a US President who

Skips all the religious nonsense that is called tradition that is part of the job

Then I can die happy knowing that America finally moved forward.

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Reply Some day before I die I would like to see a US President who (Original post)
stultusporcos Jan 2013 OP
Journeyman Jan 2013 #1
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #3
Warpy Jan 2013 #12
onehandle Jan 2013 #2
NightWatcher Jan 2013 #4
tnvoter Jan 2013 #5
11 Bravo Jan 2013 #6
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #7
ProSense Jan 2013 #14
truebluegreen Jan 2013 #37
11 Bravo Jan 2013 #8
sadbear Jan 2013 #9
white_wolf Jan 2013 #32
rainlillie Jan 2013 #10
davidn3600 Jan 2013 #11
RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #13
ProSense Jan 2013 #15
RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #16
RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #17
ProSense Jan 2013 #18
RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #25
truebluegreen Jan 2013 #38
riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #19
ProSense Jan 2013 #21
CAG Jan 2013 #24
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #47
WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #20
riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #22
jberryhill Jan 2013 #26
truebluegreen Jan 2013 #39
patrice Jan 2013 #30
Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #23
patrice Jan 2013 #29
patrice Jan 2013 #27
onpatrol98 Jan 2013 #28
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #46
OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #31
DJ13 Jan 2013 #33
patrice Jan 2013 #35
Laochtine Jan 2013 #34
Indykatie Jan 2013 #36
truebluegreen Jan 2013 #40
onenote Jan 2013 #41
truebluegreen Jan 2013 #43
Logical Jan 2013 #42
nyquil_man Jan 2013 #44
spanone Jan 2013 #45

Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:38 PM

1. Maybe if you live as long as Methuselah. . .

. . . oh, right. Sorry.

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:40 PM

3. I want to live to an old ripe age just to piss people off and have someone read my name on the TV

 

for being older then dirt!

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:26 PM

12. Not only that, but you get to lie your ass off

about how you got to be that old.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:39 PM

2. Lotsa luck. nt

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:42 PM

4. We can hope for an atheist one day

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:45 PM

5. hear! hear!

I'm with you on this. We will have finally moved forward when at last a non-western religion POTUS goes to a place of worship other than a church -- or gasp, omit going to a place worship altogether in the inaugural agenda.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:45 PM

6. Lots of posts in your three weeks at DU. Almost all of them ...

complaining about some action taken by our President. Interesting.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:52 PM

7. Sorry I am not a cheerleader, I expect BETTER From MY President

 

Perhaps you do not.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:50 PM

14. What do you

"Sorry I am not a cheerleader, I expect BETTER From MY President"

...expect from the President: denying religious freedom?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:53 PM

37. OK, that's twisted.

Last edited Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Not wanting to listen to Presidents et al praying to their god, in a government forum, is the same as denying religious freedom.

Where do you stand on prayer in schools?

Just askin'. 'Cause the issue is not giving any kind of a governmental seal-of-approval to religion. Any religion.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:59 PM

8. Skip what, the invocation ... the prayer? Sorry it doesn't meet with your approval ...

but he's a Christian. When we elect a non-religious President, he or she will almost certainly skip that which you find so offensive.
The difference between you and me is that I won't bitch about it when they choose to do so.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:02 PM

9. Perhaps we should elect a Jew next

just to see what will happen on inauguration day.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:24 PM

32. A Muslim would make the right's heads explode.

Or a Buddhist. That'd be great too. When Rick Perry held his prayer rally a while back I promised myself that If was ever a governor I'd hold pray rallies to Thor and Odin. Just to piss the Right off.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:08 PM

10. I don't give a damn what God the president does or doesn't worships.. just do the damn job

that he or she was elected to do. I want him or her to fight for the rights of all people... regardless of race, orientation, religious affiliation and economic status. Seek peace instead of war and try to help those who need help.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:17 PM

11. Gallup recently had a poll with some really surprising results concerning religion and candidates

I'd have to search for it, it was a bit ago. But it showed Americans would actually prefer a muslim president over a an atheist president.

For some reason people have this idea in their head that you can't be moral and trusting unless you are "god-fearing." That you will more likely sin unless you fear god's wrath.

It just is more proof that religion is ultimately based upon fear and control.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:47 PM

13. Oh, well you just need to get over it.



Gotta love it. An atheist so much as mentions discomfort at the religious traditions involved in government ceremonies and we're told to 'stop bitching'.

Well, at the end of the day, we all voted for Obama even though we disagree with his religion. Can the majority of Americans/Christians say they would do the same if an atheist were running for office?

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:54 PM

15. "Well, at the end of the day, we all voted for Obama even though we disagree with his religion."

This is so bizarre.

"Can the majority of Americans/Christians say they would do the same if an atheist were running for office? "

Mitt Romney isn't a Christian. He got 47 percent of the vote.

Pete Stark, an atheist, was a member of Congress for 30 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Stark

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Response to ProSense (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:56 PM

16. Mitt Romney isn't an atheist

I'm glad to learn of an atheist congressman. This does not address my question.

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:01 PM

17. 'Gallup' poll:

(Assuming, of course, that Gallup has any semblance of credibility)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/atheists-muslims-bias-presidential-candidates.aspx

It appears that 'most' would. Still interesting how many, simply, would not.

But when atheists point out unfairness, we're told to suck it up.

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:02 PM

18. Your question is

"I'm glad to learn of an atheist congressman. This does not address my question."

...is bizarre. You seem to think that in order to vote for someone, that person has to be exactly like you.

What does "disagreeing" with his religion mean? You apparently have never voted for an atheist who became a member of Congress or the President.

It's highly unlikely that any President will be a mirror image of you, in character, beliefs, ethnicity, education, etc.

I can see where it would be nice to identify with the President on any aspect of your choosing, but claiming that you voted for him despite "disagreeing" with his religion seems prejudice.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:00 PM

25. Huh?!

Disagreeing with his religion means that, while he is a Christian, I am not. That doesn't mean I am prejudiced.

I do not, in any way, believe that all politicians we vote for should be a mirror image of us. Nowhere did I even imply that.

I was merely pointing out what appears to be hypocrisy, in my view. Atheists get attacked when they question practices in the government that they might not agree with, meanwhile many people, presumably some of the same people attacking atheists for their 'intolerance' wouldn't even VOTE for a person who espouses those beliefs.

I shouldn't have to worry about being told to 'stop bitching' (not your words, but I've read them tonight on this forum) simply for discussing what I think might be too much of an encroachment on the separation of church and state. We can disagree on just where that line may be, but some of the posts I've seen are a bit over the top, hence my response to the OP.


(If I did give the impression that I am prejudiced against Christians, I apologize. That was not my intent. And I do appreciate the discussion, so thank you for that.)

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:55 PM

38. +1000 n/t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:05 PM

19. Pete Stark announced his non-belief after 35 years in Congress as a believer!

Then promptly lose his seat in 2013.

Great example....

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:11 PM

21. 2007: Rep. Stark applauded for atheist outlook

Rep. Stark applauded for atheist outlook
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17594581/

Clearly he was re-elected after that.

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Response to RedCappedBandit (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:33 PM

24. perhaps if the OP didn't use the term "religious nonsense" or suggest that the President is just

going thru the motions (instead of actually, quite possibly, be a believing christian) us christians wouldn't take such exception.

To answer your question, no. To answer another question, can the majority of DU christians say they would do the same if an atheist were running for office? Hell yes.

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Response to CAG (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 04:56 AM

47. I find religion, all religion nonsense and not compatable with freedom

 

but that is just me.

Religion belongs in your home and private property; keep it out of government, all levels of government.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:05 PM

20. Some day before I die I would like to see a country

filled with people who tolerate things they don't necessarily like.

That's what "tolerance" is, by the way. Not love, not even respect.

You tolerate something.

When that happens, America will indeed have moved forward.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:16 PM

22. Yes, like atheists/agnostics commenting about the religious trappings of the inaugural?

Instead of being told to STFU (and worse) about the "traditions"?

Out of a thousand threads +/- 5 or so lamenting the religiosity, excoriated for even commenting...

That kind of "tolerance"?





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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:09 PM

26. Did someone pull the threads? Prevent someone from speaking?

If you are saying, "I want to be able to say something without someone else saying STFU" on a discussion board, that's somewhat hypocritical.

Anyone can tell anyone else to STFU. That does not necessitate that anyone actually STFU.

I saw people arguing about various things in those threads, but didn't see anyone actually prevent anyone else from speaking their mind.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:56 PM

39. +1000 n/t

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:16 PM

30. That would require a very scarey thing, Will, authentic Freedom. Fascism is so much more

consoling to the fearful.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:22 PM

23. Wouldn't that be a change we can believe in!

 

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:13 PM

29. This from someone who apparently doesn't recognize basic separation of church & state issues . . .



Google fixed yet, Chris?

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:11 PM

27. Why isn't it fascism to say moving forward is what YOU say it is & ONLY that? If moving forward

does not meet that SINGLE criteria, which happens just ever so co-incidentally to be the same as YOUR OWN criteria excluding anything that differs with you and your cohort on that single criteria, it isn't moving forward at all.

Since you assume all of this ultimate power to define all things for everyone else, into a single term, and they are not assuming that power toward you, you should ask yourself if you are a fascist.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:12 PM

28. Some day...before I die...I would like to see world peace

Some day...before I die...I would like to see world peace. I would like to see a place for children to play and be educated safely. I would like to see everyone insured at reasonable expense to the country. I would like to see the earth healthy again and the people who live on it.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 04:51 AM

46. Your dream will never be realized because of religion

 

Perhaps if religion was not so divisive but that is why religion was created by man, to control people, nothing more.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:21 PM

31. Might as well piss into the wind and hope you won't get wet.....

...My advice? Find something else a lot more doable that will allow you to die happy.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:24 PM

33. All I want is a President that fights

for the policies he or she campaigns on to win our votes.

No excuses like "it wont pass, so why try".

Even if it wont pass you owe the voters who voted for you to at least try with all you've got.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:42 PM

35. You mean those voters who from day one have said they no longer support him? He HAS TO

prioritize, so he goes where his base is the strongest. That's. the. way. it. works. And ever since what's-his-name's very honest and true remarks about "the Professional Left" (Arianna-the-Left's-wet-ponyfairy-dream Huffington & Jane Hamsher, click-trails-et-al), what calls itself "the Left" has been working its ass off to tell everyone that they no longer support PO, so they got reduced in priority as not worth the political price, while he dealt with issues for bigger demographics against an intransigent Right Wing and its LiberTea -publicans. Sorry, that's the way it works and what calls itself "the Left" asked for it.

Now that we got that over with, maybe, just maybe, the authentic Left will emerge and be something that will make the fight worth it, instead of wasting a bunch of opportunities, NOT TO MENTION POLITICAL CAPITAL for other issues, for a bunch of people he can't count on and who went to great lengths to make that perfectly clear.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:40 PM

34. This will come

I don't know how close you are to leaving the mortal coil, but have faith brother we are so very close

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:42 PM

36. As An Atheist I Have No Problem with Inclusion of Religion in the Ceremonies

but then I would never refer to it as religious nonsense either.

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Response to Indykatie (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:00 PM

40. As an atheist, to me it IS religious nonsense.

And yet it seems I am supposed to respect it, without receiving the same courtesy.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #40)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:23 PM

41. I'm trying to understand how you were treated discourteously

Was it because a person who shares your belief that religion is "nonsense" wasn't invited to express that point of view during the inauguration?

I can understand why someone might take the position that as a legal matter religious speech during a government ceremony crosses the Constitutional line of separation of church and state (although I don't necessarily agree that it did so in this instance). But I have trouble understanding why it is relevant that you think religion is "nonsense." The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion so that people can't be forced to exercise a particular religion or in any religion at all nor can they be prevented from exercising their religion of choice. I would find it a violation of church and state if students were forced to observe my religion (Judaism) in public schools, not because I think my religion is "nonsense" but because no one should be compelled by the state to worship or not worship.

I understand that people who choose not to exercise any religion have been treated badly by many who are believers, and that's wrong. I'm just not sure how indiscriminately disrespecting everyone who has religious beliefs, even those who view the decision whether to believe in a divinity as a personal choice that deserves respect either way.

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Response to onenote (Reply #41)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:46 PM

43. You are right.

My opinion on religion as nonsense or otherwise is completely irrelevant.

What is or should be relevant is whether any religious "nonsense" has any place in our very public proceedings. IMHO it does not. Not in schools, not in our courts, not in our government. I am not asking that my viewpoint be "enshrined" I don't want to hear about it from ANYBODY. Pray, or don't; worship, or don't, in private, not in public where your prayers become a line of division between some Americans and others.

That's all.

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Response to Indykatie (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:25 PM

42. What would you call it?

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:48 PM

44. I'm an atheist. I didn't notice the prayers.

I just go limp when people start talking God.

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Response to stultusporcos (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:49 PM

45. pfffffffft

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