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"I like your Christ"

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Reply "I like your Christ" (Original post)
Whovian Jan 2013 OP
cali Jan 2013 #1
Whovian Jan 2013 #2
840high Jan 2013 #31
Skittles Jan 2013 #38
Trajan Jan 2013 #52
EOTE Jan 2013 #74
ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #3
LiberalAndProud Jan 2013 #4
cali Jan 2013 #6
Whovian Jan 2013 #8
Union Scribe Jan 2013 #45
cali Jan 2013 #55
Whovian Jan 2013 #63
cali Jan 2013 #65
Whovian Jan 2013 #66
cali Jan 2013 #70
LiberalAndProud Jan 2013 #10
rug Jan 2013 #30
Carigal Jan 2013 #34
Skittles Jan 2013 #36
cer7711 Jan 2013 #37
amuse bouche Jan 2013 #39
cleanhippie Jan 2013 #46
whopis01 Jan 2013 #73
snooper2 Jan 2013 #67
Whovian Jan 2013 #5
Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #7
Whovian Jan 2013 #9
Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #11
Whovian Jan 2013 #14
Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #18
Whovian Jan 2013 #20
pintobean Jan 2013 #12
Whovian Jan 2013 #15
cali Jan 2013 #57
Whovian Jan 2013 #59
Electric Monk Jan 2013 #17
DirkGently Jan 2013 #40
hobbit709 Jan 2013 #68
840high Jan 2013 #32
cali Jan 2013 #56
DirkGently Jan 2013 #21
Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #26
DirkGently Jan 2013 #28
sadbear Jan 2013 #13
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #16
Whovian Jan 2013 #19
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #22
DirkGently Jan 2013 #23
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #24
DirkGently Jan 2013 #25
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #27
DirkGently Jan 2013 #29
Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #54
cali Jan 2013 #58
DirkGently Jan 2013 #75
pinto Jan 2013 #77
TDale313 Jan 2013 #33
amuse bouche Jan 2013 #41
nightscanner59 Jan 2013 #35
Science Geek Jan 2013 #42
amuse bouche Jan 2013 #43
Union Scribe Jan 2013 #44
Whovian Jan 2013 #47
Union Scribe Jan 2013 #48
Whovian Jan 2013 #49
Union Scribe Jan 2013 #50
Whovian Jan 2013 #51
flvegan Jan 2013 #53
LWolf Jan 2013 #60
Whovian Jan 2013 #61
Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #62
cali Jan 2013 #64
Whovian Jan 2013 #69
cali Jan 2013 #71
Whovian Jan 2013 #72
cordelia Jan 2013 #79
narnian60 Jan 2013 #80
Dpm12 Jan 2013 #76
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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:10 PM

1. because all Christians are blood thirsty monsters, right?

the stupid. it fucking never stops burning.

either does ugly bigotry.

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:14 PM

2. I don't think that at all.

 

I do believe that there is a faction that does not ascribe to Ghandi's view of Christ like.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:14 PM

31. I'm tired of all the

Christian bashing here. Go pick on another religion.

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Response to 840high (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:39 PM

38. no

so-called "Christians" are the ones most likely to be in our face and twisting our laws

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Response to 840high (Reply #31)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:27 PM

52. They can all take a freekin hike ...

You got that right !

Not a single theology worthy of adherence ...

Not a single one .....

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Response to 840high (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:42 AM

74. Once Christians (and all other religions) stop giving me things to bash, I'll gladly do so.

Until then. Fuck no.

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:20 PM

3. Not all.

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:25 PM

4. There are some who call themselves Christian who reflect little of Christ's teachings.

Do you disagree?

Often those who claim the label aren't familiar with his teachings which meant to make us uncomfortable with the status quo. I am an atheist, but I subscribe many (most) of the lessons ascribed to Jesus. Still, I agree with Ghandi's assessment of Christians to a great degree.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:41 PM

6. of course. so?

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Response to cali (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:48 PM

8. What is it with you?

 

"Christians" have been behind the most terrible things from the Holocaust to Torquemada. Are you blind?

This is not to say they are the only religion that have participated in genocide.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 06:06 AM

55. sigh. Christians weren't behind the Holocaust.

History isn't the simple little equation you believe. It's complicated. Let's examine the Holocaust briefly. Was Christianity a contributing factor? Sure, but hardly the only factor. Christianity had long fostered anti-semitism but the faux-science of Aryan pure blood and the Volk was based even more on supposed ethnic superiority that had nothing to do with Christianity. And have you ever heard of Martin Niemoller? How about Dietrich Bonhoeffer? Friedrich Percival Reck-Malleczewen? And the Holocaust of course, wasn't just about the elimination of Jews. What does the early attempt to genocide the disabled have to do with religion at all?

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/disabilities/

Because humans and human history are complex, it's a bit dim to make the kind of sweeping claims you make over and over.

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Response to cali (Reply #55)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:33 AM

63. What kind of "sweeping claims" have I ever made "over and over?"

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #63)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:42 AM

65. your op is exactly that.

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Response to cali (Reply #65)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:46 AM

66. It's a quote, Cali. It's no condemnation

 

It questions hypocrisy held by some who claim to be Christians while ignoring the teachings of Christ. What have I done to you to deserve your stalking and hatred?

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Response to Whovian (Reply #66)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:03 AM

70. oh, c'mon. how about just a tiny bit of intellectual honesty.

It's called a rhetorical device and you are using it to slam Christians wholesale. Now, let's get this clear: I'm not stalking you. Your use of that word is as dishonest as your claim that you're that you're just posting a quote to highlight the hypocrisy of some Christians. Furthermore, I most certainly don't hate you; I do really dislike your anti-Christian bias however- just as I dislike anti-Muslim bias or anti-Jewish bias.

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Response to cali (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:52 PM

10. Ghandi didn't say, "all Christians are blood thirsty monsters"

I think I'm missing the larger context here. (I've been avoiding the Inauguration Prayer threads.)

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:09 PM

30. He didn't say what's on the poster either.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:30 PM

34. One of my favorite Gandhi qoutes

I lived in India for two years - went to a missionary boarding school. This is one of my favorite quotes by him. I never realized how correct he was in his assessment of Christians until the past few years hearing and seeing the Evangelical Right and their so very unchristian hatred and bigotry. So, even though I was raised as a Christian I can see the truth in his statement. It is showing all around us.

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:38 PM

36. talk about missing the point

sheesh

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:39 PM

37. No, Christians Are Not All Blood-thirsty Monsters

Last edited Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:43 PM - Edit history (10)

They are simply, by definition, people who believe that the omniscient, omni-present and omnipotent being who created the universe had a "plan of salvation" which necessitated having a charismatic teacher/carpenter born in Bethlehem roughly 2,000 years ago flogged, crowned with thorns and then hung on a cross to die by secular Roman authorities at the behest of Jewish religious authorities. This treatment was meted out to a 33-year-old Jew who was God's son--who was also himself (pronoun differentiation gets a little tricky and hard to follow; that's part of the "mystery", you see)--and may or may not also include the person/thing/further mystery of something called the "Holy Ghost".

Many Christians regularly commemorate the torture, death and purported resurrection of their Middle Eastern deity by gathering in churches on Sundays to engage in ritualistic cannibalism and blood drinking, as they were ordered to do by the Jewish carpenter himself while he was still alive.

Mind you, this was the second best plan "Almighty God" came up with for men. The first plan the god who identifies himself as "an angry god, a jealous god" in the O.T. came up with involved drowning the entire planet (save for a handful of people and animals) under a couple thousand feet of water.

So not all Christians are blood-thirsty monsters, by any means. Heavens no! They simply practice a blood-drinking, blood-drenched form of redemptive torture mysticism that is oftentimes as bloody-minded as it is bloody-handed. One must be clear.

BTW: as for the attributed Gandhi quote (Would you consider him a "stupid bigot" as well? Churchill called him an "ignorant fakir" at one point . . .) the sourcing (Thanks Bonnie!) is as follows: http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=61900
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A 1926 review by the Reverend W.P. King (then pastor of the First Methodist Church of Gainesville, Georgia) of E. Stanley Jones's The Christ of the Indian Road (published in 1925 by The Abington Press, New York City) includes the following,


Quote:
Dr. Jones says that the greatest hindrance to the Christian gospel in India is a dislike for western domination, western snobbery, the western theological system, western militarism and western race prejudice. Gandhi, the great prophet of India, said, "I love your Christ, but I dislike your Christianity." The embarrassing fact is that India judges us by our own professed standard. In reply to a question of Dr. Jones as to how it would be possible to bring India to Christ, Gandhi replied: First, I would suggest that all of you Christians live more like Jesus Christ. Second, I would suggest that you practice your Christianity without adulterating it. The anomalous situation is that most of us would be equally shocked to see Christianity doubted or put into practice. Third, I would suggest that you put more emphasis on love, for love is the soul and center of Christianity. Fourth, I would suggest that you study the non-Christian religions more sympathetically in order to find the good that is in them, so that you might have a more sympathetic approach to the people.

I'm not so sure that Jones actually attributed to Gandhi the line "I love your Christ, but I dislike your Christianity" in The Christ of the Indian Road (it doesn't appear, for example, in the snippet view of Jones's work that's available on Google Books), but it's possible that Jones or his work somehow, perhaps unintentionally, served as the origin for the belief that Gandhi had said as much. The line itself may have been a pithy distillation, offered by someone else, of a thought attributed to Gandhi. In any event, the phrase, with its attribution to Gandhi, is at least as old as February, 1926. And it seems to have been quite a hit amongst various American theologians in the decades that followed. (Tough to know whether Jones, during his lectures in the United States, ever attributed that precise sentiment to Gandhi.) In any event, it would probably be helpful to check The Christ of the Indian Road to see how accurately King offered up text from the book.

I got nothing on the rest of the alleged quote (because I really didn't look for it), except the thought that it likely evolved in a similar fashion, as a perhaps uninformed rephrasing of text that had appeared in one of Jones's books (perhaps the text that King presents, above). (It seems to me that a line attributed to Gandhi that contains "your Christ" would be older than the remainder of what you shared with us.)

-- Bonnie

The Atlanta Constitution, 7 February 1926, p. F14.

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Response to cer7711 (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:57 PM

39. What a post

It made me cackle like a banshee, especially the first few paragraphs.

I am so grateful to be free of the nonsense. Thanks for the giggles

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:56 PM

46. I thought it was just the ones that drink the blood and eat the flesh on Sundays.

They do do that, right?

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #46)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:56 AM

73. Touché. n/t

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:47 AM

67. Well, they would be if they actually followed their holy book

Tend to like to pick out the good parts, and even re-write the whole fucking thing LOL

When's the last time anybody smited their neighbor for working on a Sunday?

That's the difference between fundie Muslims and fundie Xtains

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:46 PM

7. Why would you copy and bring this garbage into DU?

 

The quotation is utterly irrelevant to the topic you've glommed onto and this dreck is embarrassingly amateurish. Believe me, there are thousands of much better graphics available for you to spam the board with.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:50 PM

9. Sorry my anti-violence stance upsets you.

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:55 PM

11. It's not your "anti-violence stance", it's the incredibly low quality and absurd irrelevance of this

 

particular bit of spam. Did you even bother to look up the source of the quotation so you would at least know what Gandhi was talking about?

Never mind, I know and it's obvious that you didn't.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:03 PM

14. It's okay. I still love you.

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:12 PM

18. Me too you, except for this one.

 

Bad form.

I am a bit surprised that more of the DU Xtian defenders haven't jumped on this with protestations of "they're not real Xtians".

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:16 PM

20. "except for this one"

 

Point taken. I still love you no matter what.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:55 PM

12. I think it's an anti-Christian stance

that people are seeing.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:05 PM

15. As I am against any superstition.

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 07:54 AM

57. Funny, I've missed you railing and spitting vitriol at Muslims, Buddhists

Hindus, Wiccans , etc.

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Response to cali (Reply #57)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 08:59 AM

59. I don't believe I have railed or spat at any religion here.

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:11 PM

17. When Gandhi was asked what he thought of Western Civilization, he replied

"I think it would be a good idea."

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:58 PM

40. THAT is hilarious. nt

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:51 AM

68. Damn right

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Response to Whovian (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:15 PM

32. Try being anti-ugly.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 07:52 AM

56. is being an anti-Christian bigot better than being a Christian bigot?

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:17 PM

21. There's no "God 'n guns" motif in American culture?


The OP is relevant and astute.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:53 PM

26. Not the point. I expect better quality from Whovian.

 

The quotation used was about western, particularly British, arrogance and belittling the Indian people along with their culture. It had nothing at all to do with violence or guns or America.

And the graphics were lazy and amateurish.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:58 PM

28. The graphics are photographs. The use of the quote is commentary.


There's nothing unusual or unfair about appropriating a quote for a new context which, we might add, shares common ground with the original.

Christianity is essentially Eastern in the profound non-violence and charity Jesus supposedly put forward. And yet the history of the religion, and its present political impact in the U.S. is divisive, threatening, and belligerent.

I think Whovian has a good conceit here. I *can* see how it can be critiqued as broad-brush vis a vis "Christians," but the point is perfectly valid.

In the U.S. the most outspoken "Christian" politics include guns, xenophobia, and aggression. It's a base hypocrisy that's been noted many times, and it applies in the context of the current discussion of gun regulation, in my opinion.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:00 PM

13. Jesus....I like him very much

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:14 PM

19. OMFG! He was against bith control in the 40's!!!!!

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:26 PM

22. Yes.

He wasn't perfect. Playing a Gandhi quote like it's some trump card is silly.

He had his own religious fundamentalism to contend with.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:45 PM

23. And MLK was a womanizer. As was JFK. And Clinton.


Attacking Ghandi to defend against an utterly supportable criticism of the brain-boggling hypocrisy of American Christianity as a movement is silly.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:48 PM

24. Pointing out that Ghandi wasnt perfect is not the same thing as "defending" Hypocrisy.

If you think you're going to somehow maneuver this Atheist into that position through some black & white thinking, good luck.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:50 PM

25. Neither is calling out Christian hypocrisy a claim Ghandi was "perfect."


You started with a strawman argument, and you're complaining of being straw manned?

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:57 PM

27. Because the use of the name Gandhi is supposed to mean something, to carry weight.

Personally, when i want to make an argument against religious fundamentalism, i don't use other religious fundamentalists to make my points.

Beyond that, what is this thread supposed to achieve, other than pissing off DU Christians and causing a flame fest?

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:02 PM

29. Can you argue with the actual point? Christianity vs. Christians?


It's perfectly relevant, topical, and applicable. If you want to call Ghandi a hypocrite too, that's your prerogative, but it's not like he or Whovian are wrong.

If Christians think it's too broad-brushed, that argument's available. But it shouldn't be incendiary to any Christian who doesn't count themselves among the belligerent.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:57 AM

54. I'll let actual Christians field that one.

I'm not in the club.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 07:59 AM

58. sure, hon.

Martin Niemoller.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

Thomas Merton.

Paul Tillich.

Henry Ward Beecher.

The list is waay long.

Oh, and I'm an atheist Buddhist- yes, there is such a thing- so deep six my being a defensive Christian. Not only that, but I grew up as the child of an agnostic and atheist and never went to church.

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Response to cali (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:37 PM

75. Unresponsive the the topic of the nexus of American gun crazies / Christians.

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Response to DirkGently (Reply #75)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:05 PM

77. I think simplistic hyperbole always misses the point and lacks nuance.

Not all "gun crazies" are Christians, nor or all Christians "gun crazies". I suspect a Venn diagram of these simplistic categories would definitely show some overlap, some nexus.

Yet, look at the profiles of recent shooting incidents. I don't think many of them would fit in that format.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:29 PM

33. I think it actually makes a valid point...

That being that self professed Christians who are amassing an arsenal may, just may, have lost the plot somewhere along the way. Or to put it another way: Who would Jesus shoot?

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Response to TDale313 (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:01 PM

41. 'Who would Jesus shoot?'

I shouldn't, but honestly it made me

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:34 PM

35. Thank You Whovian for this post.

A little overwhelmed by the backlash! C'mon, folks, put Cheezus Crunch away with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Religions have lead humans to their own demise under the guise of some supernatural garbage.

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Response to nightscanner59 (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:11 PM

42. There are about 730 religions being practiced around the world right now...

It's very interesting how people who disbelieve 729 of them have such contempt for people who disbelieve only one more.

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Response to Science Geek (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:37 PM

43. So true

And what about the fact that humans have worshiped approximately 3,000 Gods

What are the odds you pick the right one, which of course there isn't?

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:53 PM

44. Nice new trick

By couching it in gun talk, you can sneak your tired old anti-Christian bullshit into GD.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #44)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:57 PM

47. Sorry, can you show me an "old trick?" FWIW, I am not anti Christian.

 

I'm anti superstition.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:58 PM

48. Your old trick gets your posts hidden.

Everyone can see that, actually. And I must have missed all your Muslim-bashing threads.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #48)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:04 PM

49. Holy shit. You really didn't go there did you?

 

If you look at those threads they were hidden by a small group in all but one that deserved to be hidden. "BTW, I noticed you self deleted your post in the thread. Care to share?" was deleted. WTF?

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Response to Whovian (Reply #49)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:06 PM

50. Your behavior on DU is shall we say, transparent. nt

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #50)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:12 PM

51. I type my opinion. And it is meant to be transparent.

 

No hidden agendas, no hidden meanings. I'm anti gun, pro-choice, pro gay and against big business. That's me in a nutshell.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:29 PM

53. Pathetic. n/t

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:10 AM

60. Wow.

DU doesn't appreciate Gandhi anymore, and angrily defends xtianity. I didn't see this one coming.



That's one of my favorite quotes, ever, and can be applied to just about every social/religious dysfunction this country wallows in.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #60)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:14 AM

61. I think it's more some crazed vendetta against me rather than Ghandi.

 

I feel that if I posted about potatoes a certain person would alert on it.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #61)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:21 AM

62. I found this thread interesting

Normally I don't care for blanket condemnations of Christianity. But I fully understand Ghandi's sentiment.

If Christians would actually follow the example of Christ, maybe people wouldn't despise them so much. That's not to say that some (indeed, many) Christians don't try hard. There are countless examples -- the folks at Sojourners, the National Council of Churches, the Nuns on the Bus, and many more. For some reason, however, it seems like the hate-filled jerks like James Dobson, et. al. get all the attention.

This reminds me of the other famous Ghandi quote, when someone asked him about Western Civilization. Ghandi supposedly said, "It would be a good idea."

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Response to Whovian (Reply #61)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:41 AM

64. I think you fail to grasp why people object to this

It's broad brush tarring and using an icon to do it. low, sleazy.

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Response to cali (Reply #64)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 09:56 AM

69. Cali, it's not "people" objecting to it. It's pretty much just you.

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #69)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:04 AM

71. No, it's clearly not just me. and by the way, I never have alerted on any of your posts

perhaps it would behoove you to not make false accusations.

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Response to cali (Reply #71)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 10:09 AM

72. No, it's pretty much just you and maybe one other.

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #72)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:17 PM

79. Or maybe more.

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Response to cordelia (Reply #79)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:40 AM

80. Yes.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 06:47 PM

76. Christianity is

falesly depicted as a "loving, caring religion", but the truth is that it is NOT. It is a hateful religion that condones hate and violence. The KKK (the worst people in my opinion) said that they believed what they did because of their Christian faith. Prejudice, antisemitism, homophobia, and racism would all not exist if it wasn't for Christianity. Good day.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 08:09 PM

78. What is the source for the quote?

If you are going to insult Christians you could at least know what you're talking about.

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