Washington BOWS before only ONE God,

[bvar22]

[font size=4]and THIS ^ is the Graven Image on their altar.[/font]

I find all the medieval religious ceremonies to be a pompous, hypocritical embarrassment to our nation before the World.
Like most civilized countries, we should have moved on a long time ago.

If someone feel the need to pray,
let them do it in private as the Christian Bible commands.

My Personal Opinion
--bvar22




You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their Medieval Religious Ceremonial Lip Service.
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[Blue_Tires]

1. The city's new god was going to be RGIII

Until, you know....

[Buzz Clik]

2. Another of these threads? Why?

How many of these essentially identical threads are necessary?

[HiPointDem]

8. to counterbalance the multiple threads about how wonderful & beautiful the inaugural is? some of us

aren't especially interested in the clothes or the eyerolls or how cute the first family is.

or the multiple threads about guns...etc.

[gateley]

3. It's always the money. Always. :(

[1StrongBlackMan]

4. Why do you feel the need to ...

cite to something that you clearly do not believe in, in order to tell someone else how to conduct them selves?

[kelliekat44]

41. ++ 1 million nt

[hrmjustin]

5. Yes Jesus said pray privately, but he also said when two or three are gathered in my name

he would be there. I completely understand people not wanting religion not to mix with politics or state. I think the number one thing that turns people off to Christianity is Christians. I think debate on this issue is sorely needed.

[forestpath]

6. K&R It is so ironic and hypocritical how those who profess to be such good

Christians and sanctimoniously criticize those who don't care to be subjected to their beliefs completely ignore so much of what is in the Bible - starting with the admonishment to not pray in public.

[kelliekat44]

42. Not praying does not bother me. Why does praying bother anyone? nt

[forestpath]

43. Bully for you, then go advocate for prayer in public school.

[bvar22]

7. High Priest Paulson in the pulpit of the Church demanding TRIBUTE

[font size=3]...while his Acolytes hurry in submission to fulfill the holy command.[/font]



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their Ceremonial Religious Posturing.
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[dixiegrrrrl]

40. Do you remember what the cops rushed to protect during NYC Occupy?

While the whole police force was focused on getting rid of the dangerous, subversive, "dirty hippies"
Bloomberg managed to devote at least 13 ( count 'em) police to "protect" THIS, the symbol of Wall Street.

[IMG][/IMG]

[MineralMan]

9. Minoans, are they?

Goddess worship, I believe was their specialty. Here's one of their goddesses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Snake_Goddess_Crete_1600BC.jpg

I thought that religion died out long ago. Who knew?

[Rex]

10. Not a golden calf, but close enough.

"It is useless to shout to the drowning moneylender “ Give me your hand !” He does not know how to give. Instead, shout: “ Take my hand !” and he will clutch at it."

"You cry over spilled champagne! Your complaints are not over the lack of necessities, but the abundance of benefits. You bellyache over the frills, not the basics. Over benefits not essentials. The source of your problem is your blessing."

"To found a great empire for the sole purpose of raising up a people of customers, may at first sight appear a project fit only for a nation of shopkeepers. It is, however, a project altogether unfit for a nation of shopkeepers, but extremely fit for a nation that is governed by shopkeepers." Adam Smith

What does the Good Books say? Oh... a lot.

Ps. 10:3 - "the greedy man curses and spurns God"
Prov. 11:6 - "the treacherous are caught by their own greed"
Jere. 6:13; 8:10 - "everyone is greedy for gain"
Lk. 12:15 - "be on guard against every form of greed; life is not in possessions"
Eph. 4 - "Gentiles...practice every kind of impurity with greediness"
I Thess. 2:5 - "we did not come with pretext for greed"
I Tim. 3:8 - (deacons) "not fond of sordid gain" (cf. Titus 1 )
II Peter 2:3 - (false prophets) "in their greed they will exploit you with false words"
II Peter 2:14 - (false prophets) "have hearts trained in greed"

[cali]

11. lol. that's all.

[demwing]

12. what if you're not Christian?

When and where is it permissible for us to pray?

[ProSense]

13. 2007: Recognizing the importance of Christmas and the Christian faith.

Recognizing the importance of Christmas and the Christian faith.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll1143.xml

That was a bill that 195 Democrats, including Kucinich, voted for.

[rhett o rick]

16. And a number of Democrats voted to give GW Bush carte blanche to kill Iraqi's, so

what's your point? That Democrats can make mistakes? That Christians are a majority and the rest should take heed? To point out that the non-religious minority doesnt have representation in Congress? That the Christians in Congress are hypocrites because they worship the Golden Bull in spite of Jesus' teachings? Help me out.

I agree with bvar22.

[ProSense]

20. No,

what's your point? That Democrats can make mistakes? That Christians are a majority and the rest should take heed? To point out that the non-religious minority doesnt have representation in Congress? That the Christians in Congress are hypocrites because they worship the Golden Bull in spite of Jesus' teachings? Help me out.

I agree with bvar22.

...George Bush lied, which is why the Iraq war is considered illegal. I mean, you can't have it both ways, it can't be both an illegal and a legal war.

As for the vote on being a Christian nation, do you think Kucinich was among the "Christians in Congress" who "are hypocrites because they worship the Golden Bull in spite of Jesus' teachings"?

You appear to believe that the votes are connected. My point was addressing this statement in the OP:

"I find all the medieval religious ceremonies to be a pompous, hypocritical embarrassment to our nation before the World."

[rhett o rick]

26. Yes,

...George Bush lied, which is why the Iraq war is considered illegal. I mean, you can't have it both ways, it can't be both an illegal and a legal war.

I believe that the war was illegal because we invaded a sovereign nation that was not a threat to us making it not "just", immoral and illegal. Congress voted to let an idiot use our military to kill possibly a million people including hundreds of thousands of innocent children. Congress abdicated their responsibility because they were cowards and used the transparent lies of Georgie as their excuse.

As for the vote on being a Christian nation, do you think Kucinich was among the "Christians in Congress" who "are hypocrites because they worship the Golden Bull in spite of Jesus' teachings"?

I think that all people that claim to be Christian but worship the almighty dollar are hypocrites.

You appear to believe that the votes are connected. My point was addressing this statement in the OP:

I dont believe the two situations are connected. I was attempting to guess your point. I still dont understand your point.

[ProSense]

28. Wrong,

I believe that the war was illegal because we invaded a sovereign nation that was not a threat to us making it not "just", immoral and illegal. Congress voted to let an idiot use our military to kill possibly a million people including hundreds of thousands of innocent children. Congress abdicated their responsibility because they were cowards and used the transparent lies of Georgie as their excuse.

...every Senator believed that Iraq was moving toward WMD, even Russ Feingold.

You cannot claim that Congress declared war and then call it illegal. You would be able to claim it's immoral, but not illegal.

Congress has the power to declare war, and given the faulty evidence presented, they acted.

Bush further lied and ignored the parameters of the IWR.

Your main purpose here seems to be to give Bush a pass.

[bvar22]

37. ProSense,

You and I are at an impasse.

On Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:08 PM,
In Post #20 of this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022209573
You fabricated a quote, posted it to DU,
And signed my name to it.

In Post #29 of that thread I challenged you to produce your source,
or retract your fabricated quote.
You refused.

At THAT point, your error became something more than a simple careless mistake.
It became willful misrepresentation of member of DU for partisan gain.
I take that seriously.
You should take that seriously too, as should the other members our community.

Since you have declined to correct your mistake,
I no longer wish to engage in discussion or debate with you.

The power to rectify this situation lies solely in YOUR hands.
Produce your source, or post a retraction of the fabricated quote.
It IS a question of values.


sincerely,
---bvar22
DU member since 2001

[tama]

14. ...

[Capt. Obvious]

15. Just wait until Zod escapes

[Rex]

19. I will not bow down to General Zod.

Besides, Lord Xenu will return soon and kick his ass!

[rhett o rick]

17. Thanks for posting. I agree. Jesus would not approve of the worship of the Golden Bull. nm

[Bucky]

25. I thought that was Moses.

Threw a tantrum and everything

[rhett o rick]

27. Yes it was Moses. I am just saying that were Jesus here, he would not approve. nm

[Angry Dragon]

18. BULL is the republican god

[bvar22]

44. What about these people gathering to pay homage & tribute to Wall Street?

Not all of them are Republicans.
In fact, Democrats held a significant majority in 2007.


[font size=3]7: "And then, the High Priests of Wall Street promised a catastrophe greater than The Great Flood if America didn't offer a sacrifice that was Pleasing to Them."

8:"The Acolytes assembled in great fear,
and ordered their minions to gather with haste and without question the required sacrificial offering from the treasury of the peasants as commanded.
The days numbered only 7 before the Sacrifice was offered up to the gods.

9:And the wrath of Wall Street was appeased,
and the cataclysm was averted,
and there was much celebration among the RICH.
Cries of "Thank Gawd it Passed !" were heard throughout the land."

Thus...it is written.
The Book of Bvar, Chapter11, verses 7 - 9

[Angry Dragon]

45. Democrats are far from perfect

however you could point to any republican in Congress and call them a member of Satan's army and the odds would be in your favor

[bvar22]

46. I'm not a Republican.

I don't send them money.
I don't vote for them.
I don't expect them to represent me.
I expect them to represent the RICH.
I don't blame dogs for being dogs.
I don't blame Republicans for being Republicans.
Why should they listen to me?
Why should they give ME a voice in their party?

I AM a Democrat.
I send my money to The Democrats.
I have helped Democrats get elected for over 45 years.
I GOTV for Democrats.
I expect Democrats to represent ME,
a humble, Working Class Dirty Hands Blue Collar American.
I expect to have a voice in MY Party.

When Democrats behave like Republicans by doing the bidding of The RICH,
I become angry, and feel betrayed.
When Democrats behave like Republicans,
I will raise my voice, and let them know about it.
I have EARNED that right.

The Democratic Party IS a Big Tent,
but there is no room for those who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the expense of the Working Class and The Poor.



[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
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[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
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[MrSlayer]

48. Hear fucking hear!!

Dead on.

[RedCappedBandit]

21. History agrees with you.

This government clearly obeys one master: $$.

[Hamlette]

22. which reminds me, another great day on wall street! Yay!

[judesedit]

23. To each his own. Maybe we'll have an Atheist President one day so bvar22 will be happy

[Le Taz Hot]

36. You know what's funny?

You don't see the irony of your own post.

[Bucky]

24. That's a lot of bull

that they worship.

[leftstreet]

29. DURec

[Comrade_McKenzie]

30. It's crap like this that gives liberals a bad name. nt

[RC]

31. What? Religion?

Or pointing out the hypocrisy?

[HangOnKids]

34. Is That A Bon Jovi Song?

[Rain Mcloud]

32. The Grail was a cup that was used to slake the thirst of the crucified God.

When the son of god was speared through his heart some of the sacred blood ran into the grail,forever staining it and granting anyone having a virtuous heart who drank from it,immortality.
Today there are knights of commerce who seek the grail and immortality of a kind,but a false golden cup which is loaded with cash and stained with the blood of impoverished children,who every single day,die of complications due to a condition called poverty.

They contend that this way is just and proper,because the lord singled them out to have dominion over the earth and everything(Everyone)within it.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

This is a vital cornerstone of christianity,found on the first page of the first book which was written by moses in the torah and much later adopted at the council of nicaea for the bible in what is now called genesis in the old testament.
Moses set himself up to be the chosen one just as the uber-priveleged do today and who give charter to what was supposed to be a democracy of by and for the people.

Moses destroyed the so called commandments of god with the golden calf and we only have his word as to what actually happened on the mountain top.
In Arturian legend,a simple boy is chosen by god to lead the world to christianity after the fall of the western empires.
Arthur needed the grail so that he might rule eternally but his heart was made weary and so he abdicated.
Legend has it that one day,Arthur will return to rule again.

Today an empire is in sunset,the wealthiest,healthiest,happiest,productive and educated nation that the world has ever seen is slipping into decay just like every empire which came before it.
It is easy to say"oh they all got to be too big and the logistics were just too great an obstacle to overcome!".
But this is not quite the truth of it,now is it?
We ignore this at our own peril.
When material things become so important that wealth is needed to crush those who have none,that is the turning point where the foundations of empire,crumble.

At the end of the day,people are the only real treasure.
Not Money and not some eternal real estate giveaway in a bronze age fantasy.
After we depart this life,we live through those who come after us and believe me,they will judge us by what we do,right now.

[Rain Mcloud]

33. Addendumb:

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[just1voice]

35. That's for sure, war criminals and banking criminals walk freely among us

while our "leaders" pretend to worship a god and simultaneously tell us that torture camp creators should be left alone.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. And, the bull's mate the Sacred Cow aka the MIC.

[bvar22]

39. ...and their incestuous 1st cousin, the Health Insurance Industry.

...but there has always been incest among the lesser gods.

[Auzziegob]

47. there are no gods

As far as I'm concerned all religion should be banned

A good place to start would be to ban all the useless fucking godgobbing spewed out incessantly by presidents