Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:01 PM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

While the President dances, innocents mourn their dead, dead at the President's hand.

"These latest strikes in Yemen continue a noted escalation of US attacks that began near the end of 2012.

As Agence France-Presse reports, "Monday's raid brings to at least 25 the number of people killed in US drone strikes since such assaults were intensified on December 24."

As experts and human rights organizations continue to warn the Obama administration that such attacks are counterproductive—increasing, not lessening, al Qaeda's position in Yemen or elsewhere—the Washington Post's weekend report that the White House was "institutionalizing" the practice of assassination by drone with a new "playbook" was met with deep criticism."
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/01/21-3

And we wonder why people around the world hate us and want to attack us. Hell, if my loved ones were dying while the President danced, I'd be looking for revenge myself. These drone attacks, this endless War on Terra is counterproductive in establishing good relations with people around the world.

Hopefully this administration will come to its senses. Sadly, I don't think it will, which means sooner or later this will come back to bite us. Perhaps then we will finally learn this lesson that we've been learning and relearning for decades now.

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412 replies	Author	Time	Post
While the President dances, innocents mourn their dead, dead at the President's hand. (Original post)	MadHound	Jan 2013	OP
If the world hates us because President Obama is a fine dancer.....	Swamp Lover	Jan 2013	#1
No, the world hates us because the president continues to kill innocents abroad,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#3
"if my loved ones were dying while the President danced, I'd be looking for revenge myself."	uppityperson	Jan 2013	#5
Me too	krawhitham	Jan 2013	#72
Posting here just to get this pic near the top of the thread...	SidDithers	Jan 2013	#103
I will second that.	Voice for Peace	Jan 2013	#143
Stop killing innocents	zipplewrath	Jan 2013	#334
Most of the time we're there at a government's request.	randome	Jan 2013	#336
When they start firing warheads from drones	zipplewrath	Jan 2013	#359
Now you're drifting into tinfoil hat territory.	randome	Jan 2013	#363
Not the only way	zipplewrath	Jan 2013	#376
For the most part, I think I'll leave military decisions to the experts.	randome	Jan 2013	#382
They got to Ossama	zipplewrath	Jan 2013	#389
In other words, you think the American government is killing people it could arrest because...	randome	Jan 2013	#409
Because it's easy	zipplewrath	Jan 2013	#410
I know the answer is to stop, but my question is why is it still happening	Voice for Peace	Jan 2013	#365
Because Obama chooses to	zipplewrath	Jan 2013	#377
I'm really trying to understand this, and not make excuses	Voice for Peace	Jan 2013	#380
The bubble	zipplewrath	Jan 2013	#388
He is reading 'top secret' PDBs on a daily basis that he doesn't 'produce' himself	Amonester	Jan 2013	#400
Bush II	zipplewrath	Jan 2013	#408
Gorgeous pic, Sid. Thanks for posting the dancing photo. nt	DevonRex	Jan 2013	#189
226 Replies, only 16 recs. I guess that says it all.	louis c	Jan 2013	#226
That's the kicker though,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#233
With boots on the ground, both American lives and innocent Yemenis will be killed.	randome	Jan 2013	#240
How about doing neither,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#241
Drone strikes are pretty much considered 'surgical strikes'.	randome	Jan 2013	#250
Umm, don't you get it?	MadHound	Jan 2013	#251
Google it. Al-Qaeda is in Yemen, too.	randome	Jan 2013	#254
I guess you haven't seen the status of forces agreement that Obama and Kharzi recently signed,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#264
Here is some of what Al-Qaeda is up to in Yemen.	randome	Jan 2013	#256
Such actions are, unfortuneately, far too common around the world,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#267
Not at all. America is neither perfect nor consistent.	randome	Jan 2013	#305
Lovely shot, Sid. Thanks for posting it!	greatauntoftriplets	Jan 2013	#249
This message was hidden by jury decision.	i wish i were here	Jan 2013	#386
The world doesn't really hate us. At least not most of it.	JaneyVee	Jan 2013	#7
Large parts of it do,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#10
I'm sure the ones who don't....	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Jan 2013	#32
a lot of the world does love this president. Still he's just one man. I think he is doing his best.	Voice for Peace	Jan 2013	#146
Nah. That part of the world has always hated us and will always hate us.	Honeycombe8	Jan 2013	#184
Parts of the world have hated the US a lot longer than President Obama's administration	lunatica	Jan 2013	#221
75% in Pakistan and Yemen. I think the opinions of people that we are terrorizing	Luminous Animal	Jan 2013	#21
OP didn't say Pakistan and Yemen, he said "the world" and he is not right. nt	stevenleser	Jan 2013	#28
Nope, he said "around the world". And he is right.	Luminous Animal	Jan 2013	#37
No, he is not right. Do I need to start posting links to stats? nt	stevenleser	Jan 2013	#40
Around the world does not mean the entire world. And that is that.	Luminous Animal	Jan 2013	#59
He did not say around the world, he said "The World Hates Us" Why would you blatantly say something	stevenleser	Jan 2013	#63
Ah, I was referencing the OP (I missed #3).	Luminous Animal	Jan 2013	#77
Yes, "there are people in countries around the world that hate us".	JaneyVee	Jan 2013	#70
The people who we terrorize on a regular basis hate us. MLK on Vietnam	Luminous Animal	Jan 2013	#80
Look at post #3	leftynyc	Jan 2013	#243
Get rid of all your guns, then we'll talk. Or register them if that becomes law.	DevonRex	Jan 2013	#124
Have I killed anybody with my guns? No.	MadHound	Jan 2013	#128
Dude, I don't know you from Adam.	DevonRex	Jan 2013	#135
Funny thing about that post,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#137
hahaha.	DevonRex	Jan 2013	#140
Ahhh, the final piece of the puzzle. Thank You DevonRex!!!!!	Tarheel_Dem	Jan 2013	#403
You're quite welcome!	DevonRex	Jan 2013	#404
It does indeed.	Tarheel_Dem	Jan 2013	#406
I just love....	ShadesOfBlue	Jan 2013	#176
Here, don't believe me, then perhaps you will believe the UN	MadHound	Jan 2013	#181
"our drone strikes are killing hundreds and thousands of innocents"?	Turborama	Jan 2013	#194
Here,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#210
Nothing like hundreds of thousands, or even 10s of thousands	Turborama	Jan 2013	#216
Please go back and reread my post for comprehension this time instead of the quick snark,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#219
My mistake. However, it's either hundreds or thousands	Turborama	Jan 2013	#223
Well, if you want to get into an argument about semantics,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#229
"hundreds and thousands" doesn't mean anything	arely staircase	Jan 2013	#230
The world does not hate us	leftynyc	Jan 2013	#242
Well, large parts of it do,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#245
No - they don't	leftynyc	Jan 2013	#252
No, not just one part,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#261
Before I click on an unfamiliar site	leftynyc	Jan 2013	#280
MAD PROPS! on the timing of this OP...	snooper2	Jan 2013	#317
I don't get it.	randome	Jan 2013	#333
you mean the name of the band?	snooper2	Jan 2013	#345
Sorry, I can't watch videos at work. I was just going by the caption.	randome	Jan 2013	#348
I wasn't aware he killed anybody, either	shenmue	Jan 2013	#16
Well, now you are, it's all there in black and white.	MadHound	Jan 2013	#62
168 Pakistani children dead from US drone strikes, and counting:	Fire Walk With Me	Jan 2013	#68
How dare he dance at the inaugural ball!1!	JNelson6563	Jan 2013	#2
Funny, not only does Obama dance at the inaugural ball like Bush did,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#6
People are blind to what their team does.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jan 2013	#106
Oh look! More bullshit!	JNelson6563	Jan 2013	#228
16 members have rec'd it after currently 3,491 views	Turborama	Jan 2013	#234
Well gee, "harping" on an issue is the only way that we the people can change policy,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#235
Unrec. n/t	BumRushDaShow	Jan 2013	#4
+1	krawhitham	Jan 2013	#73
And on cue....	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Jan 2013	#8
It's not nice to steal others people bandwidth.	RC	Jan 2013	#36
Can't we be allowed to have Just. One. Day.	Hekate	Jan 2013	#9
Apparently not	ellisonz	Jan 2013	#11
Death never rests apparently,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#12
Do you really think quoting	leftynyc	Jan 2013	#246
Perhaps Obama could have waited one freaking day before killing more innocents,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#248
Or I could just put you on ignore	leftynyc	Jan 2013	#253
You may do so if you wish,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#262
Tis what I do	leftynyc	Jan 2013	#282
Hey! It's the "I have tons of guns!" guy.	easttexaslefty	Jan 2013	#260
+1	obamanut2012	Jan 2013	#15
MadHound always intends to disrupt and hurt his fellow DUers. thats his game.	DevonRex	Jan 2013	#20
Odd, MadHound's posts don't bother me any more than they did when Dubya was resident	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#42
Consistency is now a sign of lunacy.	Luminous Animal	Jan 2013	#61
I think they only bother those that live in very carefully crafted denial bubbles. nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#65
"disrupt and hurt his fellow DUers."	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jan 2013	#88
I'd have to agree with that. it's psychological warfare. No solutions, either.	freshwest	Jan 2013	#113
Yeah. Gunowner, too, who said he'd break the law and refuse to register his weapons	DevonRex	Jan 2013	#127
Libertarian 2A disruption, Devon. Only here because of the Meta thread.	freshwest	Jan 2013	#132
Thank you.	DevonRex	Jan 2013	#138
+1 n/t	whathehell	Jan 2013	#337
Nah	shenmue	Jan 2013	#22
Is that a quote from a Pakistani villager?	Luminous Animal	Jan 2013	#25
One day without innocents dying at our hands?	aandegoons	Jan 2013	#199
Epic Douchebaggery Fail	jpak	Jan 2013	#13
+1. Double thumbs down	Buzz Clik	Jan 2013	#27
+2 I dislike the word "douchbaggery" but hell, when it's apt, it's apt	Number23	Jan 2013	#64
Please see my post in this thread regarding 168 Pakistani children killed by US drones.	Fire Walk With Me	Jan 2013	#78
yup	condoleeza	Jan 2013	#130
Douchebaggery indeed!	backscatter712	Jan 2013	#395
He shouldn't have danced.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jan 2013	#14
No, he should stop killing innocents abroad,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#23
He wasn't killing anybody. He was dancing. I saw him.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jan 2013	#24
It is by his order that those drones fly,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#30
Oh, that must have been what he was doing	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jan 2013	#34
There's an app for glib?	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jan 2013	#92
Yes, of course. It's even better than Yelp.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jan 2013	#94
Perhaps you are an expert at it?	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jan 2013	#102
Not at all, that's why it's so great that there's an app.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jan 2013	#104
Dang, you're good.	BlueCaliDem	Jan 2013	#110
Maybe he should stop the murder of children.	aandegoons	Jan 2013	#200
You're right, of course.	RedCappedBandit	Jan 2013	#17
The drone strikes would probably end if the terrorist gave themselves up but i dont see it happening	Thinkingabout	Jan 2013	#18
That is one of the more inane comparisons I've seen in a long time.	MadHound	Jan 2013	#26
And you are saying 26 people, American citizens, 20 6 to 7 years old is not something.	Thinkingabout	Jan 2013	#54
You are trying to falsely conflate two issues, gun violence and drone attacks,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#75
Terrorist is terrorist and it does not matter where this occurs.	Thinkingabout	Jan 2013	#285
If a "terrorist is a terrorist" . . .	markpkessinger	Jan 2013	#384
Can't reason with a troll, you just continue to argue with yourself, have fun	Thinkingabout	Jan 2013	#390
Excuse me, but I am no troll...	markpkessinger	Jan 2013	#391
I hate to inform you of this, but in the eyes of some around here you are a troll,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#392
So I've noticed n/t	markpkessinger	Jan 2013	#393
I have not denied Obama's policies so again you are wrong. I was pointing out American citizens are	Thinkingabout	Jan 2013	#399
MadHound, I couldn't agree with you more...	choie	Jan 2013	#111
If the terrorist gave themselves up.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jan 2013	#101
It can't happne because we make up who is a terrorist.	aandegoons	Jan 2013	#201
...	SidDithers	Jan 2013	#19
Is this a post about	ProSense	Jan 2013	#29
+1	Buzz Clik	Jan 2013	#33
No, it's a post about innocents dying at the orders of the president,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#35
What is truly sad is your suggestions that President Obama ORDERED the murder of innocents.	elleng	Jan 2013	#43
He is the CinC, he does have his own personal kill list, he does give the orders,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#82
Yes, and his 'kill list' does not include innocents.	elleng	Jan 2013	#89
And the military is sloppy while the higher-ups ignore it.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jan 2013	#115
Well that is a direct and known consequence of the drone wars.	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2013	#224
'Casualties' is not murder.	elleng	Jan 2013	#374
Yeah the those poor dead members of Al Qaeda.	SpartanDem	Jan 2013	#67
Please see my post in this thread regarding 168 dead Pakistani children due to US drones.	Fire Walk With Me	Jan 2013	#74
when you start thread about death of innocents it shouldn't link to this story	SpartanDem	Jan 2013	#91
Your mother was a hamster, and your father smells of elderberries!	Buzz Clik	Jan 2013	#31
No, but when it is a president with an R behind his name, then you'll give a damn,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#38
Read post #39 and come back tomorrow.	Buzz Clik	Jan 2013	#44
Ah, so when the questions get tough, you want me to just go away,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#49
Your question isn't tough. I simply am not in the mood. Didn't I already say that?	Buzz Clik	Jan 2013	#97
I supported Bush killing terrorists too	creeksneakers2	Jan 2013	#120
"Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time."	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jan 2013	#39
I kind of feel sorry for you. n/t	countingbluecars	Jan 2013	#41
I'd rather you felt sorry, or just gave a simple damn, for the innocents that have been killed	MadHound	Jan 2013	#45
Can't you take one day off	countingbluecars	Jan 2013	#50
The OP hates the President	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Jan 2013	#55
Hates the president but	easttexaslefty	Jan 2013	#266
Apparently not	Hekate	Jan 2013	#136
It is good to reflect on this MLK anti-war speech in which he empathized with innocents	Luminous Animal	Jan 2013	#46
You're right. Bring the drones home and send in more troops.	jillan	Jan 2013	#47
How about we conduct a foreign policy that isn't based on killing first?	MadHound	Jan 2013	#53
There is one, but	ProSense	Jan 2013	#57
Actions speak louder than words	MadHound	Jan 2013	#85
Action	ProSense	Jan 2013	#90
Ok, how exactly do plan to have that go back in time and have us not return the Shah to power?	jeff47	Jan 2013	#156
Huh?	MadHound	Jan 2013	#164
It's our original fuck-up in the middle east	jeff47	Jan 2013	#269
He could be like the French	ProSense	Jan 2013	#66
unrec	rollin74	Jan 2013	#48
Would you have prefered the alternative??	darkangel218	Jan 2013	#51
FWIW, MadHound advocated for letting Republicans win	emulatorloo	Jan 2013	#69
Not to mention the election eve....	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Jan 2013	#81
Thanks for remembering that, I blocked it out	emulatorloo	Jan 2013	#100
So that's it	Hekate	Jan 2013	#141
Sticks and drones may bomb my home	think	Jan 2013	#52
MadHound - OET called, they want their meme back.	stevenleser	Jan 2013	#56
I don't even think the Elmers are claiming this foolishness	Number23	Jan 2013	#84
Help me. Please...???	littlemissmartypants	Jan 2013	#157
Old Elm Tree - a website mainly of ex-DUers	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2013	#214
Right....	Bobbie Jo	Jan 2013	#321
Yeah they sound real innocent	SpartanDem	Jan 2013	#58
So tell your friends to stop supporting the NRA's BUSHMASTER markets abroad & putting guns in the	patrice	Jan 2013	#60
Ummmmmmm	Jarhead1775	Jan 2013	#71
Politics makes strange bedfellows. S.2205 was actively promoted by Rand Paul, before he lost his	patrice	Jan 2013	#86
Yeah dude...	Jarhead1775	Jan 2013	#98
What is your concept of how trouble starts and is sustained in the world's trouble spots? nt	patrice	Jan 2013	#112
()	Jarhead1775	Jan 2013	#119
yeah, I tried to sketch that below, apparently it was too complex for someone. nt	patrice	Jan 2013	#150
#144 below	patrice	Jan 2013	#154
That was one of the most bizarre, twisted, weird posts I've seen out of you in a long time,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#95
So PO is just using drones for whatever, without input from the relevant government in the	patrice	Jan 2013	#108
Let's see here,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#123
But we really like the ex Yemen president	think	Jan 2013	#131
They say they oppose them because that's the politically expedient thing to say & the people know	patrice	Jan 2013	#148
Tell me why a bunch of dictators & kings in foreign countries are always honest & Evil Obama always	patrice	Jan 2013	#152
....	stklurker	Jan 2013	#76
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service	Glaug-Eldare	Jan 2013	#79
I had similar thoughts, but I thought my fellow DUers deserved a day to celebrate	ZombieHorde	Jan 2013	#83
You were similarly respectful and very kind	DevonRex	Jan 2013	#114
Thanks.	ZombieHorde	Jan 2013	#121
+1	Union Scribe	Jan 2013	#116
Yeah, all of DU being upset today is not going to change anything. nt	ZombieHorde	Jan 2013	#122
Well, I feel horrified....	Moonwalk	Jan 2013	#87
+1000000	ellisonz	Jan 2013	#96
Dance on, indeed!	MirrorAshes	Jan 2013	#109
Sure buddy, he deliberately targets only innocents.	denbot	Jan 2013	#93
I'd like very much to see your thoughts on assault weapons control, MadHound, especially in foreign	patrice	Jan 2013	#99
What does that have to do with drone strikes?	MadHound	Jan 2013	#107
If there were a group of people who had more or less valid justice issues and they were a minority	patrice	Jan 2013	#144
Nice lot of words there, a shame that they make hardly a lick of sense.	MadHound	Jan 2013	#147
I'm sorry your short term memory parsing is so limited. Perhaps you should do something about that.	patrice	Jan 2013	#149
It isn't my short term memory that is the problem,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#153
Quote whatever part confuses you & I will fix it. nt	patrice	Jan 2013	#159
The entirety of post 144	MadHound	Jan 2013	#166
Nevermind. I'm tired. Forget it. Or do it yourself. nt	patrice	Jan 2013	#172
Your predeliction for insult is a dead give away for bias. Tell me why dictators always tell the	patrice	Jan 2013	#155
I'm not trying to insult you,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#162
MADHound, tell me why dictators always tell the truth & EVIL Obama always lies & likes murder. nt	patrice	Jan 2013	#163
paTRICE, tell me what that question has to do with the price of tea in China,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#171
You listed all of these governments who supposedly oppose the drone strikes & You ignored my comment	patrice	Jan 2013	#183
Umm, the UN isn't an evil dictatorship,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#185
Not according to your Libertarian & LiberTea anti-drone friends, to them, the UN is corrupt ...	patrice	Jan 2013	#188
Well, I guess you would know more about that than I would.	MadHound	Jan 2013	#207
AGAIN tell me why the dictators always tell all of the truth & Evil Obama always tells complete lies	patrice	Jan 2013	#193
AGAIN, you are the one making this claim, not I.	MadHound	Jan 2013	#208
I hear FDR was drinkin' when we firebombed Dresden...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2013	#105
And he was eating truffles and drinking champagne on the evening of his third inaugural	Ikonoklast	Jan 2013	#244
THAT MONSTER!	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2013	#378
"Dead at the President's hand"	MirrorAshes	Jan 2013	#117
Who orders those drones into the air? Who orders the strikes to be made?	MadHound	Jan 2013	#126
No, they aren't.	MirrorAshes	Jan 2013	#129
Oh my stars and garters, I didn't use language that pleased you, my timing wasn't impeccable,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#134
What seems to have escaped you	MirrorAshes	Jan 2013	#145
Well, if that is how you define a troll, one who uses "shocking" language,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#151
Hah.	MirrorAshes	Jan 2013	#161
Umm, isn't that the very nature of these sort of chatboards?	MadHound	Jan 2013	#169
Indeed I do.	MirrorAshes	Jan 2013	#177
You know, you would have much more credence with me	MadHound	Jan 2013	#182
I'm not looking for anything from you.	MirrorAshes	Jan 2013	#186
It is true that people who are looking for actual solutions, not just an internet following, will	patrice	Jan 2013	#191
Exactly. n/t	MirrorAshes	Jan 2013	#196
LOL!	MadHound	Jan 2013	#205
If it walks like a troll,	easttexaslefty	Jan 2013	#279
What does killing children with a drone make someone?	aandegoons	Jan 2013	#203
I really don't like getting posts hidden	treestar	Jan 2013	#118
What? You are advocating freedom of speech??	panzerfaust	Jan 2013	#411
Doubt he makes that claim	treestar	Jan 2013	#412
Rev. King would applaud you, MadHound	DerekG	Jan 2013	#125
Did MLK	ProSense	Jan 2013	#158
+1	redgreenandblue	Jan 2013	#190
We prefer the safe sanitized version of King	G_j	Jan 2013	#289
Oh ffs. Give it a rest. n/t	Lil Missy	Jan 2013	#133
Optimists are rarely surprised by trouble.	littlemissmartypants	Jan 2013	#139
Thank you for your kind words,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#142
Unless your alternative includes a flux capacitor	jeff47	Jan 2013	#160
Drone strikes are going to blowback on us badly,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#167
So you posted this shit OP because you're worried about "blowback"?	ProSense	Jan 2013	#173
Yes, I am	MadHound	Jan 2013	#178
By "enemies," do you mean "innocents"?	ProSense	Jan 2013	#180
So, is that what this is all about? You're scared of the "blowback"?	Turborama	Jan 2013	#265
Huh?	MadHound	Jan 2013	#271
You're scared they're coming to wreak revenge. Have you got lots of guns?	Turborama	Jan 2013	#286
And they're still the least-bad option	jeff47	Jan 2013	#263
And drone strikes are continuing to drive thousands into the hands of al Qaeda,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#270
Again, it's the least-bad of bad options.	jeff47	Jan 2013	#277
Yep. Definitely Stage 6 ODS.	kestrel91316	Jan 2013	#165
Well I suppose the dead children will thank you for your snark.	aandegoons	Jan 2013	#202
Thank you for your concern. Where were you when Bush was doing far worse??	kestrel91316	Jan 2013	#375
While the President dances...Vietnam	ProSense	Jan 2013	#168
Remind them that Obama did not START these unpaid for wars. I hope we can get out asap.	judesedit	Jan 2013	#170
While the GOP is happy to let millions starve to death at home & many are purchasing AK47's in hope	judesedit	Jan 2013	#174
Yeah...just like Obama didnt sign NDAA or renew the Patriot Act or continue policy of torture	davidn3600	Jan 2013	#175
Before flinging poop	ProSense	Jan 2013	#179
I'm curious about what you think about the fact that that NDAA 2011, like most NDAAs, was veto-proof	patrice	Jan 2013	#187
You don't sign it, and take your case to the bully pulpit,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#206
I wonder how many people would have been killed had the President used more conventional.....	OldDem2012	Jan 2013	#192
Have you ever given much thought to how fewer al Qaeda operative would be in this world,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#209
Please tell me what you would use to achieve "a more surgical, precise method"....	OldDem2012	Jan 2013	#257
Really?!?!?	xxxsdesdexxx	Jan 2013	#195
Sometimes the truth hurts,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#211
You folks remind me why I hate politics	LittleBlue	Jan 2013	#197
And your post reminds me of hate.	ProSense	Jan 2013	#218
while innocents die in this country from our gun culture, YOU defend said culture over	cali	Jan 2013	#198
I'm not defending anybody's culture,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#212
The very best thing about Ralph Nader& Naderites&3rd partyites is-NEVER AGAIN will it happen	graham4anything	Jan 2013	#204
That is one of the most bizarre conflation of two distictly different topics I've seen in a while,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#213
no it's not...think about it.Without Bush, no 9-11, no patriot act(ratified by entire congress)	graham4anything	Jan 2013	#215
And what, exactly, does that have to do with drone strikes ordered by Obama?	MadHound	Jan 2013	#217
It's congress that authorized and ordered it.Without terrorists, no war on terror	graham4anything	Jan 2013	#220
Alrighty then,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#225
without President Obama, you would have 1000 times more deaths	graham4anything	Jan 2013	#238
you are becoming a parody of yourself	arely staircase	Jan 2013	#222
Why do you say that?	MadHound	Jan 2013	#227
it is like you are just going through the motions now	arely staircase	Jan 2013	#231
Sorry that you find my posting so repetitive,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#236
It has to get paid somehow	ecstatic	Jan 2013	#335
Damn I wish I could get paid for protesting imperial wars, drone strikes	MadHound	Jan 2013	#347
I'm against all wars, drone strikes, etc. too	ecstatic	Jan 2013	#350
Sorry, but around here, as in real life, there is no right time or place to discuss these things,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#352
You forgot to include these in you OP.	JoePhilly	Jan 2013	#232
Joe, Joe, we can always count on you for the insubstantial post.	MadHound	Jan 2013	#237
Seemed an appropriate response given the OP's content. But I will add ...	JoePhilly	Jan 2013	#239
I love you!! :)	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jan 2013	#247
Awe ...	JoePhilly	Jan 2013	#255
Here, this	ProSense	Jan 2013	#258
I didn't think panties could twist that tight without shredding.	Egalitarian Thug	Jan 2013	#259
cheap shot.	DCBob	Jan 2013	#268
Yes, drones are considered a cheap shot by a lot of people,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#272
Give it a rest for a day or two, won't you?	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#273
As soon as the president ends these condemend drone strikes, stops killing innocents,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#275
I'm going to ignore you now. Not through the Ignore	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#278
So you're saying a cessation of war, restoration of our civil liberties,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#325
Remember when	ProSense	Jan 2013	#291
Yup. And President Obama is bringing those wars to an end.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#330
I know we don't agree with eachother much, but in this case, +1. n/t	Lady Freedom Returns	Jan 2013	#402
Question for those who support unfettered use of drones to kill civilians:	bighart	Jan 2013	#274
Your post is strawman bullshit.	ProSense	Jan 2013	#276
Accidents happen.	rug	Jan 2013	#281
You're brilliant. n/t	ProSense	Jan 2013	#284
You're predictable. n/t	rug	Jan 2013	#287
Drone, it's the new	ProSense	Jan 2013	#290
Naturally, targetting civilians for death is anti-Obama.	rug	Jan 2013	#293
And making idiotic claims is so intelligent. n/t	ProSense	Jan 2013	#294
What idiotic claim? I'm all ears.	rug	Jan 2013	#295
The President is actually in his office right now drawning up a list of "innocents/kids" to kill.	ProSense	Jan 2013	#296
Uh, that's not an agument. It's not even good hyperbole.	rug	Jan 2013	#297
I forgot to add that everyone who voted for Obama has "blood on their hands"	ProSense	Jan 2013	#298
I see. You argue that people who oppose drone warfare must not vote for the Democratic candidate.	rug	Jan 2013	#299
No,	ProSense	Jan 2013	#300
I repeat, accidents happen.	rug	Jan 2013	#301
And I repeat: Drone, the new food of anti-Obama diners. n/t	ProSense	Jan 2013	#302
Sorry, this appears to be a circle that I will jerk myself out of.	rug	Jan 2013	#304
"I will jerk myself out"	ProSense	Jan 2013	#308
Perhaps if you would stop spewing it, the logic would be more apparent.	rug	Jan 2013	#309
Actually,	ProSense	Jan 2013	#312
Yes it is bullshit. After all, I was agreeing with you.	rug	Jan 2013	#314
Don't try to pass off your illogical claim onto me. n/t	ProSense	Jan 2013	#315
But it is.	rug	Jan 2013	#318
Where does it say	ProSense	Jan 2013	#320
Who do you think it's targetting?	rug	Jan 2013	#322
Clearly,	ProSense	Jan 2013	#324
Do you pay taxes?	G_j	Jan 2013	#303
Paying taxes means you support killing civilians?	ProSense	Jan 2013	#307
Of course we are talking a bout collateral damage	G_j	Jan 2013	#310
Maybe you	ProSense	Jan 2013	#311
As offensive as you find that statement	G_j	Jan 2013	#316
Wait,	ProSense	Jan 2013	#319
Well it really doesn't matter anyway does it?	G_j	Jan 2013	#323
Do what you think you should. No one is saying you need to suppress your convictions.	randome	Jan 2013	#328
For the record I did not state in my comment that civilians were being targeted,	bighart	Jan 2013	#353
We have to protect ourselves from the mighty Yemeni forces encircling us.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2013	#283
...	SidDithers	Jan 2013	#288
What a wonderful way...	99Forever	Jan 2013	#292
You're right, the President shouldn't dance at his inauguration.	Arkana	Jan 2013	#306
Nah, just stopping his misguided drone policy before it comes back to bite us would be enough. n/t	MadHound	Jan 2013	#326
K&R	woo me with science	Jan 2013	#313
truth....	mike_c	Jan 2013	#327
So is Al-Qaeda.	randome	Jan 2013	#329
And we recruit more members for them with every drone strike.	MadHound	Jan 2013	#340
Like I said before, we are doing some good in the world.	randome	Jan 2013	#346
I'm not sure what you can't understand about not doing either,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#351
So tell Al-Quaida nicely to stop beheading, mutilating and crucifying people.	randome	Jan 2013	#356
Look, some of the most horrible violations against women occur in countries that are our allies,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#360
I don't see us using the military at home.	randome	Jan 2013	#361
That's the thing, the governments of these places are condemning our use of drones,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#362
Pakistan has a schizophrenic relationship with America.	randome	Jan 2013	#364
So I suppose that the UN and Somalia are schizophenic as well?	MadHound	Jan 2013	#367
Somalia is involved in a civil war so things are very messy there at the moment.	randome	Jan 2013	#370
Hey, the UN thinks that what we're doing with drones is wrong as well,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#373
I will point out the facts as I see them. I expect the same of you.	randome	Jan 2013	#383
Thousands die from gun violence in the US, yet you refuse to cooperate	ecstatic	Jan 2013	#331
You, and apparently many others, didn't get the point of that post,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#338
+1	tallahasseedem	Jan 2013	#379
Two thumbs up to Velveteen Ocelot for tying up the OP in knots.	Buzz Clik	Jan 2013	#332
?	MadHound	Jan 2013	#342
Having a bit of short memory lapse are we?	Buzz Clik	Jan 2013	#344
We who, you've got a mouse in your pocket, or is that the royal "we"	MadHound	Jan 2013	#349
The Ocelot had the same reaction to your OP that I did. Ocelot's response was ridicule.	Buzz Clik	Jan 2013	#366
Then you, and by extension VO, obviously haven't gotten my OP at all,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#368
No.	Buzz Clik	Jan 2013	#369
It must be a terrible burden	cliffordu	Jan 2013	#339
Actually I find it quite easy to be critical of bad policy,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#343
Jeez, he's dancing. It's not like he was golfing or anything	hughee99	Jan 2013	#341
Yeah, and hours before he went dancing,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#354
It's hard to disagree on that.	hughee99	Jan 2013	#357
Some apes really like flinging excrement...	MjolnirTime	Jan 2013	#355
True that, but I prefer to be consistent.	MadHound	Jan 2013	#358
The tiniest consistency from self-avowed liberals would be refreshing indeed. nt	raouldukelives	Jan 2013	#372
Parties at your crib must be awesome! nt	msanthrope	Jan 2013	#371
k/r	limpyhobbler	Jan 2013	#381
Not uncommon for party loyalty to override people's core beliefs	davidn3600	Jan 2013	#387
This message was hidden by jury decision.	i wish i were here	Jan 2013	#385
Bugger off!	Ian Iam	Jan 2013	#394
I was right here,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#396
AFTER advising you to bugger off, I was selected for jury service	Ian Iam	Jan 2013	#397
Well, which do you want for that jury service, a medal,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#398
You are FULL of SHIT	Pretzel_Warrior	Jan 2013	#401
This "War On Terra" Started Long Before bu$h mumbled its effin' name.	Amonester	Jan 2013	#405
Speak for yourself,	MadHound	Jan 2013	#407

Response to MadHound (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:09 PM

Swamp Lover (404 posts)

1. If the world hates us because President Obama is a fine dancer.....

I'm afraid that we are fucked, because he is a damned fine dancer.

While the President dances, innocents mourn their dead, dead at the President's hand.

1. If the world hates us because President Obama is a fine dancer.....

3. No, the world hates us because the president continues to kill innocents abroad,

5. "if my loved ones were dying while the President danced, I'd be looking for revenge myself."

72. Me too

103. Posting here just to get this pic near the top of the thread...

143. I will second that.

334. Stop killing innocents

336. Most of the time we're there at a government's request.

359. When they start firing warheads from drones

363. Now you're drifting into tinfoil hat territory.

376. Not the only way

382. For the most part, I think I'll leave military decisions to the experts.

389. They got to Ossama

409. In other words, you think the American government is killing people it could arrest because...

410. Because it's easy

365. I know the answer is to stop, but my question is why is it still happening

377. Because Obama chooses to

380. I'm really trying to understand this, and not make excuses

388. The bubble

400. He is reading 'top secret' PDBs on a daily basis that he doesn't 'produce' himself

408. Bush II

189. Gorgeous pic, Sid. Thanks for posting the dancing photo. nt

226. 226 Replies, only 16 recs. I guess that says it all.

233. That's the kicker though,

240. With boots on the ground, both American lives and innocent Yemenis will be killed.

241. How about doing neither,

250. Drone strikes are pretty much considered 'surgical strikes'.

251. Umm, don't you get it?

254. Google it. Al-Qaeda is in Yemen, too.

264. I guess you haven't seen the status of forces agreement that Obama and Kharzi recently signed,

256. Here is some of what Al-Qaeda is up to in Yemen.

267. Such actions are, unfortuneately, far too common around the world,

305. Not at all. America is neither perfect nor consistent.

249. Lovely shot, Sid. Thanks for posting it!

7. The world doesn't really hate us. At least not most of it.

10. Large parts of it do,

32. I'm sure the ones who don't....

146. a lot of the world does love this president. Still he's just one man. I think he is doing his best.

184. Nah. That part of the world has always hated us and will always hate us.

221. Parts of the world have hated the US a lot longer than President Obama's administration

21. 75% in Pakistan and Yemen. I think the opinions of people that we are terrorizing

28. OP didn't say Pakistan and Yemen, he said "the world" and he is not right. nt

37. Nope, he said "around the world". And he is right.

40. No, he is not right. Do I need to start posting links to stats? nt

59. Around the world does not mean the entire world. And that is that.

63. He did not say around the world, he said "The World Hates Us" Why would you blatantly say something

77. Ah, I was referencing the OP (I missed #3).

70. Yes, "there are people in countries around the world that hate us".

80. The people who we terrorize on a regular basis hate us. MLK on Vietnam

243. Look at post #3

124. Get rid of all your guns, then we'll talk. Or register them if that becomes law.

128. Have I killed anybody with my guns? No.

135. Dude, I don't know you from Adam.

137. Funny thing about that post,

140. hahaha.

403. Ahhh, the final piece of the puzzle. Thank You DevonRex!!!!!

404. You're quite welcome!

406. It does indeed.

176. I just love....

181. Here, don't believe me, then perhaps you will believe the UN

194. "our drone strikes are killing hundreds and thousands of innocents"?

210. Here,

216. Nothing like hundreds of thousands, or even 10s of thousands

219. Please go back and reread my post for comprehension this time instead of the quick snark,

223. My mistake. However, it's either hundreds or thousands

229. Well, if you want to get into an argument about semantics,

230. "hundreds and thousands" doesn't mean anything

242. The world does not hate us

245. Well, large parts of it do,

252. No - they don't

261. No, not just one part,

280. Before I click on an unfamiliar site

317. MAD PROPS! on the timing of this OP...

333. I don't get it.

345. you mean the name of the band?

348. Sorry, I can't watch videos at work. I was just going by the caption.

16. I wasn't aware he killed anybody, either

62. Well, now you are, it's all there in black and white.

68. 168 Pakistani children dead from US drone strikes, and counting: