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Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:58 PM

 

If I were Prez I would do away with brass bands and Sousa.

Really. That music sucks for me and 90 percent of the American public.

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Reply If I were Prez I would do away with brass bands and Sousa. (Original post)
Whovian Jan 2013 OP
NoOneMan Jan 2013 #1
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #2
Whovian Jan 2013 #8
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #13
MadrasT Jan 2013 #30
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #41
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The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #4
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #14
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #24
Whovian Jan 2013 #15
WinkyDink Jan 2013 #27
Paladin Jan 2013 #34
KittyWampus Jan 2013 #47
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #5
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RKP5637 Jan 2013 #6
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WinkyDink Jan 2013 #39
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NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #21
bayareamike Jan 2013 #35
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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 04:59 PM

2. I find both your taste regrettable and your claim ridiculous. Your preference would be...?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:02 PM

8. LOL. Sorry, Brass bands have one intention: Be loud.

 

That'a the only reason the only other instrument in their ranks is a drum.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:04 PM

13. Did you play a brass instrument? I did: the trombone. And I played Sousa. And no, the sole intent

is not to "Be loud."

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:30 PM

30. Trumpet here.



And I also find the OP to be... regrettable.

All hail Sousa, and long live the military bands.

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #30)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:43 PM

41. You have my envy! I love the trumpet above all! "Cherry Pink and

Apple Blossom White" was the first song I can remember playing over and over!

But my father played trombone (taught by Dorsey pere!).

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #30)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:27 PM

52. Not a brass player

Woodwinds here, but I play Piccolo on occasion in several groups and most marches give us quite a workout, which I love.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:36 PM

37. um......nope......

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Response to Whovian (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:58 PM

45. I'd say an electric guitar amplified is pretty fucking loud, wouldn't you?

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:46 PM

58. A double-stack Marshall cranked up to ELEVENTY!!!!!!!!!!

We scoff at your puny instruments of tin!

Mwaaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!



Bake

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Response to Whovian (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:08 PM

70. Try this on for size!

I work for the Cavaliers Drum and Bugle Corps every summer. The Boston Crusaders marched in the inaugural parade today, another wonderful musical "brass band" who compete with the Cavaliers. From looking at the stands in the video a lot of people like this brass music.



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Response to Whovian (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:23 PM

87. Er. one needs to be "loud" to be heard in an open-air setting

where one doesn't have the help of an enclosed acoustic.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:18 AM

92. You are offensive to every one of us ...

Who worked hard to learn to play all those "loud" instruments. Then practiced for hours with the band to produce music. You obviously need to get out more and listen to brass bands not in a parade. You might find that soft is just is good as loud for them.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:06 PM

16. More than regrettable

 

It's that traditional stuff I find appealing.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:00 PM

3. I don't mind it.

Not something I listen to, but sometimes it's okay.

90%?

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:00 PM

4. 90%? Really?

I didn't know anyone had done polling to determine what percentage of the American public hates Sousa. But I don't think it's 90%, otherwise we'd never hear it. It's pretty standard marching band stuff. Not crazy about Souza marches myself, but what else would you choose? Beethoven's Fifth? It's tough to play the cello and march at the same time. There's not a lot of music out there that you can play while walking.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:05 PM

14. Do The Stroll?



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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:24 PM

24. OMG, AWESOME! "Strolllllllll-in, strol-ol-ol-ol-ol-in,...."!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:05 PM

15. So tell me, You sit around listening to band music in your leisure time?

 

That would be odd. We put up with it because it's expected.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:27 PM

27. Look, you need to get off the ego trip of "we" and "90%." Not many people

"sit around listening to" opera or hymns, I'll bet (in this nation), either, but that doesn't detract one iota from the music's merits; quite the contrary.





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Response to Whovian (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:31 PM

34. 1st and 2nd Suites For Military Band, by Gustav Holst.


Both are available for listening, online. Check them out and see how much you have to learn about band music......

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Response to Whovian (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:00 PM

47. I do listen to big band music. Oh, and there's some great dj's mixing with it too.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:01 PM

5. I love it. Love tradition.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:04 PM

12. me too

 

I love tradition

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:02 PM

6. Where did the 90% estimate come from?

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:07 PM

17. Because in 60 years I have never heard "Cool! There's a Sousa Fest Nearby!"

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:09 PM

19. Yep! Quite true! Have to go waaaayyyy back before you and I were here! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:39 PM

39. I'm 63, and this is a crock.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:59 PM

46. I'm beyond that age. When Sousa was alive I believe there were many very popular

Sousa concerts. I've played sooo many Sousa marches in bands, orchestras, parade grounds athletic events, there's been a ton of them. I've always have enjoyed them from a performer's point of view. I also enjoy the Canadian Brass ensemble.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:11 PM

21. Yet I've known plenty of people who like it in that context...

aka a march or a parade.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:38 PM

38. You live in a narrowed world, one which doesn't grasp our musical heritage. Where I live,

there are Sousa concerts, drum corps competitions, and the like:

http://www.enter.net/~brandar/

http://www.cityband.org/about-us.html

http://www.eastonband.com/concerts/ (Note the first concert listed.)

The U.S. also has a tradition of American high school marching bands (you DID see some in the parade, no?).

Finally, there are our FAMOUS Armed Services anthems.

Too bad Obama didn't have a parade composed of nothing but the Dave Matthews Band, is that it? Or Justin Bieber?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:07 PM

48. K&R !!! n/t

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:02 PM

7. I respectfully disagree

Sousa is great marching music. And, it's like Auld Lang Syne - a little corny but always expected.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:02 PM

9. its good marching music,

if we didn't have it, we would have to do sea shanties and that would make some blush.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:03 PM

10. Doesn't suck as much as Kelly Clarkson or Beyonce.

Do away with piece of shit pop acts at these events, please.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:08 PM

49. You do know what the work "pop" is an abbreviation of, don't you?

Think about it.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #49)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:40 PM

55. poop?

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #55)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:49 PM

60. *mirror*

now it'll stick to you

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Response to Bucky (Reply #60)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:51 PM

61. I'm rubber, see.....

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Response to Bucky (Reply #67)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:28 PM

83. HA!

well played, my friend!

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Response to Bucky (Reply #49)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:27 PM

82. Wouldn't that mean hip-hop is pop?

My subject line strikes me as anomalous. Not all music that is popular, as opposed to fine arts, is "pop."

Argument from ignorance is a fallacy. But so is the etymological fallacy.

It's rather like "alternative rock." Once it was mainstream, it wasn't alternative. Kept the name. Just consider the phrase "alternative rock" to be lexicalized and the problem's solved.

In the case of the truncated "pop", the semantic range was markedly narrowed. Rather like "Democratic" with a capital D doesn't mean "one who advocates a democratic form of government" but "of or pertaining to the Democratic Party in the United States of America."

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Response to alarimer (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:14 PM

75. +1,000

They were absolutely terrible.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:24 PM

81. I didn't mind Beyonce so much Clarkson screeching at the top of her lungs......

ugh!!! I was out of the room when they announced who she was and came back in just to hear the god awful screech! WTF??!!



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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:04 PM

11. It's tradition. I respect it.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:09 PM

18. Dependent on measure

The Presidents Military Band is one of the best in the world. Its what they do and play.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:10 PM

20. wow. YOU speak for 90% of the American Public? Amazing.

The hubris that is.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:20 PM

22. Tell that to the The Palm Springs High School marching band

They play some damn tight Sousa music and they are jazzed they were picked to participate in the presidential inaugural parade, the only HS band from California.

They played Sousa's 'Stars and Stripes Forever'.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:20 PM

23. How can you have a parade without marching bands??

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Response to narnian60 (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:44 PM

42. Same could be said for the Shriners

No parade is complete without marching bands and at least on Shriner group. That's a fact, Jack.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:25 PM

25. I love Sousa music!

I was with a friend one time at a county fair. They had a battle of the marching bands and we were both thrilled because we didn't know they were having it that day.

I guess I'm a big ole nerd, but I don't care. I like it!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:27 PM

26. Sousa's "Stars and Stripes Forever" is my favorite patriotic song.

I absolutely love it, as well as several other Sousa marches. The other standard national anthems do nothing for me.

Sousa rocks.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:13 PM

74. Yep. I like the King Cotton March and the Liberty Bell the best. n/t

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #74)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:20 PM

79. The Liberty Bell

Also known as the "Monty Python theme song"

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:27 PM

28. I know!

Karl King marches are so much better!





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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:29 PM

29. Well, okay


Can you tell us about the rest of your platform?

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:30 PM

31. I love Sousa and brass bands....

always makes me cry! Love the pomp and circumstance...the tradition.
Good stuff, IMHO.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:31 PM

32. I love the tradition of it.

And I really don't mind big band music. It's not exactly the same, I know, but classical music/symphonies are one of my favorite types of music.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:31 PM

33. Noooooooooooo!!!

Love it. Love it. Love it.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:32 PM

36. Wow. I guess I stand corrected.

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:41 PM

40. it's war music, you lose :-) nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:37 PM

85. Souza wrote marches.

And operettas.

But the marches were mostly concert and marching music, performed in a lot of concerts that didn't involve anything military. He served in the military. But most of his life, apart from his initial stint in the Marine Band and then during WWI was directing a band that toured. Not as part of an invasion force, but just as a touring music group.

It's music suitable for marching, for keeping a group of people walking in pace and in time. Hence it's used by militaries. But more groups than just the military marches, and they use it to. It's also fairly loud, so it's suitable for outside concerts. Just try having an outdoor concert in the absence of electronic amplification. You wind up with a lot of brass and woodwinds--rackets and shawms for a while, then brass when the guild's power was broken, then mixed bands.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:44 PM

43. I would much prefer the music of John Baptiste Philouza:


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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:57 PM

44. Aww, I love Sousa! It's so perfect for our American Inaugural.

A cultural artifact that is nice. Makes us feel UP on Inauguration day! We can forget for one day our troubles and just listen and watch...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:14 PM

50. I think when you celebrate democracy, you have to celebrate all the parts of it

By nature a few people are going to run across music they don't like in the process. One misanthrope upthread dissed both Beyonce and Kelly Clarkson. The OP was down on Sousa. I'm sure a few folks were annoyed at that all-drum band with the free-form dancing teenagers from Iowa. I personally am bothered by anyone from Wisconsin.

Being briefly annoyed by your neighbors is part of a great American tradition. I'm with you on this. We deserve an inauguration day that draws from all of our cultural roots. Unless, you're from Wisconsin, that is.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:10 PM

71. My husband is from Wisconsin! We have a vacation home there, in Door County, which we

both love.

As for Clarkson and Beyonce, it's not my music but so what? I can't expect everyone to like the music I listen to...so...live and let live...a good motto and so much more helpful in your life...

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:28 PM

53. Thank god the president isn't you. I like John Philip Souza music. Great marching

 

band music. Thanks for tradition.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:32 PM

54. Whew... boy did you peg this wrong...

Whovian, I love 'ya. You know we all love 'ya. But to take our John Phillip Sousa away from us? I won the John Phillip Sousa Award in music when I was a Senior in High School. I played everything in the percussion section, trumpet, AND french horn...(no, not all at the same time!) This is the only time I get to hear this stuff. Maybe you should turn down the volume just a bit? I have an idea...we do it all the time when we listen to basketball games of our local University. We nuke the sound on the TV and listen to the radio announcers as they call the game. Maybe you can nuke the sound on the TV and play your favorite music on your CD player? Just an idea. Here come some bagpipes!

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Response to ReRe (Reply #54)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:41 PM

56. But I'm one of the rare who loves Bagpipes!

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #56)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:52 PM

63. I know a lot of people who love bagpipes, accordians too.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #63)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:14 PM

76. Some people even like -- gasp -- BANJOS!!!!!

Oh, the humanity!!



Bake

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Response to Whovian (Reply #56)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:01 PM

69. Hey... I love bagpipes too!

... I'm British Isles descended from way way back...1620 and forward. England, Ireland and Scotland. Why don't you get a training bagpipe and take a few lessons to get the hang of it. Practice it at home. After you have driven everyone at your home out of their minds with practicing, sign up for some long-term lessons and get the real McCoy..real bagpipes, i.e. No?

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Response to Whovian (Reply #56)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:12 PM

73. Bagpipes are one of my favorite musical instruments n/t

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:44 PM

57. I love it. The 90% is your wishfull thinking.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:46 PM

59. And this would be just one of many reasons that you would never be President, I think.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:52 PM

62. Is today the day you decided to just be miserable?

Or are you working out some other issues?

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:54 PM

64. Oh boy another person with no musical

taste!

Probably a fan of Vanilla Ice!

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:55 PM

65. You must not go to many football games.

Just a guess ...



Bake

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:56 PM

66. What next? Bagpipes?

No, no, no. Parades gotta have noisy instruments that the whole crowd can hear.

I think 90% of the American public actually likes it.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:00 PM

68. I love the marches.

My brother was in the service and when he was commissioned as an officer in the Marines, the Marine Corps Band entertained the crowd for about 45 minutes before the ceremony started. That was over 30 years ago and my mom and I still talk about how great the band was.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:11 PM

72. Speak for yourself

I LOVE Sousa and marching bands.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:16 PM

77. Sousa was head of the Marine Band

He wrote a bunch of music for the military bands.
That is why we hear so much of his music at traditional events.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:16 PM

78. i rather enjoyed tuning in to the inauguration and hearing the Monty Python theme

so i'll have to disagree with you there.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:20 PM

80. OMG noooooooo!! Boooo!!

Heresy!

I adore Sousa. I adore brass bands.

My grandfather, who started small-town bands along the Canadian prairie, sat in with the Sousa band on tour in Saskatchewan.

The Sousa marches are national treasures.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:31 PM

84. I could play Sousa marches all day.

Well, Sousa and a few others...

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:21 PM

86. Too bad for you. As a musician myself, I find Sousa to be great.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:39 PM

88. 90%

 

I guess you've never been to, heard of, or seen about the Boston Pops 4th of July Celebration on the Esplanade.
Only about 1,000,000 fucking people show up, and "The Stars and Stripes" is #1, or a close tie with the "1812 Overture" as a crowd favorite.



Make that #1. Unless it's AC/DC, you really can't sing along to church bells and cannon discharges.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:41 PM

89. I thought Sousa was in the Preamble

Silly me.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:43 PM

90. You are so wrong...

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:11 AM

91. Please do not speak for me because

You have no right to. I like the bands and the parade. So get over it and just change the channel or go do a hobby of yours.

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